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		<title>By: 49N 122W</title>
		<link>http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/?p=1220&#038;cpage=1#comment-113513</link>
		<dc:creator>49N 122W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you that need or want yet another way to celebrate Bush leaving office:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imperfectparent.com/mominatrix/shave-the-date/699_1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shave The Date: No Bush Left Behind&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you that need or want yet another way to celebrate Bush leaving office:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imperfectparent.com/mominatrix/shave-the-date/699_1/" rel="nofollow">Shave The Date: No Bush Left Behind</a></p>
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		<title>By: 49N 122W</title>
		<link>http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/?p=1220&#038;cpage=1#comment-113512</link>
		<dc:creator>49N 122W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, dinner will be at 
47.42472N 120.315W
for those in the vicinity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, dinner will be at<br />
47.42472N 120.315W<br />
for those in the vicinity!</p>
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		<title>By: andy aka Aquaman</title>
		<link>http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/?p=1220&#038;cpage=1#comment-113511</link>
		<dc:creator>andy aka Aquaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do appreciate the offer although it&#039;s bit of a drive for me since I&#039;m over here: 39.87243,-75.378948</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do appreciate the offer although it&#8217;s bit of a drive for me since I&#8217;m over here: 39.87243,-75.378948</p>
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		<title>By: 49N 122W</title>
		<link>http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/?p=1220&#038;cpage=1#comment-113510</link>
		<dc:creator>49N 122W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>always room at the table for more!

SP #6 is awesome, thanks! just got a chance to watch. that fora tv, though, has some crazy sh*t.  owned by mega-corps, I see, so you know their bias. saw there was a piece from newt the grinch dissing human causes for global warning.  gee, guess chevron had nothing to do with promoting that sucker! then they have ashcroft defending Guantanamo (you think he might have concerns about being prosecuted because he&#039;s a war criminal?) propaganda is as propaganda does (or something like that). too bad, because they look like they have some cool stuff, too.

is it glass of wine time yet?  :alc:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>always room at the table for more!</p>
<p>SP #6 is awesome, thanks! just got a chance to watch. that fora tv, though, has some crazy sh*t.  owned by mega-corps, I see, so you know their bias. saw there was a piece from newt the grinch dissing human causes for global warning.  gee, guess chevron had nothing to do with promoting that sucker! then they have ashcroft defending Guantanamo (you think he might have concerns about being prosecuted because he&#8217;s a war criminal?) propaganda is as propaganda does (or something like that). too bad, because they look like they have some cool stuff, too.</p>
<p>is it glass of wine time yet?  <img src='http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/alc.gif' alt=':alc:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: andy aka Aquaman</title>
		<link>http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/?p=1220&#038;cpage=1#comment-113509</link>
		<dc:creator>andy aka Aquaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here!!!

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.centerforlaborrenewal.org/?P=A&amp;Category_ID=1&amp;Article=230&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t Let Them Destroy Our Union&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;The reluctance to bail out GM and the other Detroit automakers has everything to do with the UAW, as if the impending collapse is the fault of the workers at the bottom of the heap.  The &quot;free market&quot; types want to use the current auto industry crisis to force a &quot;restructuring&quot; of the companies&#039; &quot;relationships&quot; � principally with the UAW.  We hear a chorus about &quot;bloated UAW contracts&quot;, contract terms that &quot;GM can&#039;t live with,&quot; or references to &quot;overpaid&quot; autoworkers, etc.  Never mind that just one year ago UAW autoworkers agreed to huge concessions in what President Ron Gettelfinger describes as a &quot;transformative agreement&quot; (for which, in the Detroit media, he was heralded &quot;man of the year.&quot;).   That agreement, according to Gettelfinger, was designed to make the UAW labor force cheaper than their non-union brethren at Honda, Toyota, etc.  This from a once proud union which set the industry standard.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here!!!</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.centerforlaborrenewal.org/?P=A&amp;Category_ID=1&amp;Article=230" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t Let Them Destroy Our Union</a></strong></p>
<p><em>The reluctance to bail out GM and the other Detroit automakers has everything to do with the UAW, as if the impending collapse is the fault of the workers at the bottom of the heap.  The &#8220;free market&#8221; types want to use the current auto industry crisis to force a &#8220;restructuring&#8221; of the companies&#8217; &#8220;relationships&#8221; � principally with the UAW.  We hear a chorus about &#8220;bloated UAW contracts&#8221;, contract terms that &#8220;GM can&#8217;t live with,&#8221; or references to &#8220;overpaid&#8221; autoworkers, etc.  Never mind that just one year ago UAW autoworkers agreed to huge concessions in what President Ron Gettelfinger describes as a &#8220;transformative agreement&#8221; (for which, in the Detroit media, he was heralded &#8220;man of the year.&#8221;).   That agreement, according to Gettelfinger, was designed to make the UAW labor force cheaper than their non-union brethren at Honda, Toyota, etc.  This from a once proud union which set the industry standard.</em></p>
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		<title>By: vernon</title>
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		<dc:creator>vernon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad offer, andy. 

I was best man in friends&#039; wedding here (47.434113 , -121.454018 ) just after xmas and it was very holiday for someone who lives in SF. Snow and everything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad offer, andy. </p>
<p>I was best man in friends&#8217; wedding here (47.434113 , -121.454018 ) just after xmas and it was very holiday for someone who lives in SF. Snow and everything!</p>
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		<title>By: 49N 122W</title>
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		<dc:creator>49N 122W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u can come her andy!

this does &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; sound good:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northjersey.com/news/aroundnj/New_Jerseys_Lisa_Jackson_to_EPA_nod_from_Obama_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Jersey&#039;s Lisa Jackson set to get EPA nod from Obama&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;...Jackson&#039;s tenure has been marked in large part by a stream of pro-development policies and proposals that environmentalists say undermine longstanding protections.

These include plans to replace state inspectors with &quot;licensed site inspectors&quot; hired by developers; cutbacks in proposed clean stream and soil rules and delays on new measures to reduce greenhouse gases.

Critics say the DEP under Jackson also delayed in releasing a critical report linking chromium waste sites in rapidly developing areas of Hudson County to lung cancer.

But most of those decisions, Tittel said, came not from Jackson but from her boss, Gov. Jon Corzine.

Many of Jackson&#039;s proposals, such as a plan to protect 900 miles of the state&#039;s cleanest streams were scaled back once they reached the governor&#039;s office, he said. Others were tabled once they got there, he said, citing a DEP proposal requiring the Oystre Creek nuclear power plant install cooling towers.

&quot;It is clear that this governor has her hands tied on a lot of important issues,&#039;&#039; Tittel said.

But others contend that Jackson must take credit for changes during her tenure.

Jeff Ruch, executive director of the non-profit Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, said Jackson is a non-starter for the EPA job because she espoused many policies that Obama himself cmapaigned against.

Ruch&#039;s group says that Jackson&#039;s DEP endanagered public health by its failure to adequatelyt respond to crises such as the discovery of mercury contamination in daycare students housed at the site of a former thermometer factory on the state&#039;s contaminated site list....&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u can come her andy!</p>
<p>this does <strong>not</strong> sound good:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.northjersey.com/news/aroundnj/New_Jerseys_Lisa_Jackson_to_EPA_nod_from_Obama_.html" rel="nofollow">New Jersey&#8217;s Lisa Jackson set to get EPA nod from Obama</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;Jackson&#8217;s tenure has been marked in large part by a stream of pro-development policies and proposals that environmentalists say undermine longstanding protections.</p>
<p>These include plans to replace state inspectors with &#8220;licensed site inspectors&#8221; hired by developers; cutbacks in proposed clean stream and soil rules and delays on new measures to reduce greenhouse gases.</p>
<p>Critics say the DEP under Jackson also delayed in releasing a critical report linking chromium waste sites in rapidly developing areas of Hudson County to lung cancer.</p>
<p>But most of those decisions, Tittel said, came not from Jackson but from her boss, Gov. Jon Corzine.</p>
<p>Many of Jackson&#8217;s proposals, such as a plan to protect 900 miles of the state&#8217;s cleanest streams were scaled back once they reached the governor&#8217;s office, he said. Others were tabled once they got there, he said, citing a DEP proposal requiring the Oystre Creek nuclear power plant install cooling towers.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is clear that this governor has her hands tied on a lot of important issues,&#8221; Tittel said.</p>
<p>But others contend that Jackson must take credit for changes during her tenure.</p>
<p>Jeff Ruch, executive director of the non-profit Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, said Jackson is a non-starter for the EPA job because she espoused many policies that Obama himself cmapaigned against.</p>
<p>Ruch&#8217;s group says that Jackson&#8217;s DEP endanagered public health by its failure to adequatelyt respond to crises such as the discovery of mercury contamination in daycare students housed at the site of a former thermometer factory on the state&#8217;s contaminated site list&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: andy aka Aquaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy aka Aquaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I just found out that my niece will not be here for Christmas, she&#039;s going to France for her 2nd semester . My brother and family will be going to Spain to meet her.

So if anyone&#039;s looking for an extra guest for Christmas.....

 :santacool:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I just found out that my niece will not be here for Christmas, she&#8217;s going to France for her 2nd semester . My brother and family will be going to Spain to meet her.</p>
<p>So if anyone&#8217;s looking for an extra guest for Christmas&#8230;..</p>
<p> <img src='http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/santa_cool.gif' alt=':santacool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 49N 122W</title>
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		<dc:creator>49N 122W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks sp. glad it&#039;s not just my resident turkey :tongue:   the girls and i were attacked by a big loose male dog while walking - we&#039;re okay - but the dog&#039;s owner runs the humane society.  that&#039;s not good.  SouSou has been on guard since we were attacked  multiple times by this one dog in georgia. and now this one. SouSou is not happy about other dogs now. :tap:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks sp. glad it&#8217;s not just my resident turkey <img src='http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/tongue.gif' alt=':tongue:' class='wp-smiley' />    the girls and i were attacked by a big loose male dog while walking &#8211; we&#8217;re okay &#8211; but the dog&#8217;s owner runs the humane society.  that&#8217;s not good.  SouSou has been on guard since we were attacked  multiple times by this one dog in georgia. and now this one. SouSou is not happy about other dogs now. <img src='http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/tap.gif' alt=':tap:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sue P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:turkey: 

The turkey definitely is  nervous.  Perhaps Palin&#039;s scheduling a news conference nearby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/turkey.gif' alt=':turkey:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>The turkey definitely is  nervous.  Perhaps Palin&#8217;s scheduling a news conference nearby.</p>
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