Morning Seditionists

May 4, 2006

Thursday Open Thread

Filed under: Whatever — pjsauter @ 5:00 am

Well, we learned one thing yesterday. Zacarias Moussaoui is so incompetent, he couldn’t even get himself the death penalty, no matter how hard he tried. Still, I reckon he’s our big victory in the War on Terror – or at least the skirmish with Al Qaeda. We didn’t get Osama, but we we got Moussaoui (and the shoe bomber, don’t forget him). We also learned that Christopher Hitchins isn’t a drunken asshole (according to Andrew Sullivan), just an asshole. And the Brits are finally smart enough to declare victory, and get the hell out of Dodge. Or at least the Al Maysan and Al Muthanna provinces. And we also saw evidence of what a great job we’ve done in Iraq and Afghanistan, as both made the top ten on the “failed states” index (Iraq came in at number four, ahead of Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia, Haiti, and our good buddies, Pakistan). Gee wherever would they be without us? Iran couldn’t even crack the top fifty, being tied for 52 with Equatorial Guinea. Well, we’ll see if we can’t move them up a bit, won’t we George?

Oh, but shame on Stephen Colbert for being such a meanie to poor president dummy and his sycophants (or should that be psychophants – sociophants?) in the DC media.

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:40:1 a super duper drunken number one:alc: from marons number 8 or so fan! fuckity fuck me and quietgirl need ride someone give usa ride on friday!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:02 am

kristaspeayou are being called upon! i will park in palm springs you will drive to palm springs where i will take over driving duties to pick up quietgirl and go to the upright citizens brigade! yes then we will drive back to palm springs well i will drive then you will drive ther est of the way home that way shared driving duties will cut down on your fatigue unlike when you went to the piano show!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:08 am

see im a progressive with the answers to the hard questions!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:09 am

You better take out a loan in the case that gas goes up another buck a gallon while you are on the road..

After Riley’s venomous tirade abut Moussaoui I am trying to think of some appropriate comment to post on his blog that doesn’t get me in trouble with DHS.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 5:22 am

huh loan? im drunk no confusing me only hard question right now is getting to fridays show!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:43 am

Sean: What pray tell did you have for breakfast..??

Looks like it was some or

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 5:46 am

and no loan will be needed fuel cant rise enough to cost more than my cash on hand!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:46 am

up too long and got VERY drunk last night! ready for bed!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:48 am

Ahhh… I see… the old run out of gas with two women in the car trick.. :spank:

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 5:48 am

no must see the maron! im a good guy!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 5:52 am

shoot i dont HAVE to be in LA till sunday so i can stop in phoenix and do all the driving! am in el paso now so uh yeah!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 6:05 am

Uh oh, this is not good!

http://www.wi...y_page_next1

Comment by egotils — May 4, 2006 @ 6:25 am

I guess we will just have to go back to carrier pigeons.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:36 am

No, man, I say kites and smoke signals:bong:That’s all we need, really.

Comment by travisdem_04 — May 4, 2006 @ 6:43 am

kites and smoke signals ??? What do you do on a calm day ??:doh::fustrate::paranoid:

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:47 am

I hope the Thursday morning meeting is interesting today Riley put me to Sllleeeepppp:yawn::yawn::yawn:

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:54 am

Good morning all…I hate spyware. I don’t get as much of it with a Mac, I don’t think, though I’m not completely sure about that. I’m sure they’ll find ways to own our computers, our bodies, and our souls before long or at least find out everything we’re doing. Orwell knew wtf he was talking about.

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 7:17 am

:banana:Goats in Plano are kind of like cows are in India. That goat must have been a rethug in a previous life.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 7:18 am

Got something to do before the fun meeting BBL

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 7:24 am

I captured the Brother Sky Blue rant on the Malloy show
http://www.ar...otherskyblue
where he claims that Don Imus had Maron kicked off the air for doing stuff like Sammy the Stem Cell.

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 7:47 am

I dont know webhubble…I dont take the brotherskyblue thing too seriously. Is he someone who would know the details of the MM firing? It was clear that Danny Foldfuck hated Marc from the beginning…and really didnt like comedy….or if he likes comedy, its Imus’s brand, which is really sad.

Comment by Melina — May 4, 2006 @ 8:01 am

i met one of Moussaoui lawyers a while back. from my understanding, the defendant was a terrorist-wanna-be crazy man. PJ, you stated it beautifully. It was interesting to talk to the lawyer about the machinations of the government’s case.

i just listened to the scott ritter interview in the wee hours today…man, that was heavy duty.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:01 am

Georgia is listed as 60th on the failed states list. I have it on good authority that this entry refers to Georgia, USA.

wonder where Iraq was on the list prior to the US invasion.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:04 am

also, Im glad that Moussaoui didnt get death. Why make him a martyr and give him what he wants? Why let him die thinking that hes going to his 27 virgins or what ever….
Let him live in a room for the rest of his life. That is much worse, and actually, if he comes around and suddenly realizes what hes done, he will actually experience more pain than any death could provide, since we dont do the sponge on the head electricity thing anymore.
Let him sit and rot with no human contact forever….

Comment by Melina — May 4, 2006 @ 8:04 am

Good morning, Melina, WebHubble, Farmerkat — yeah, Skyblue has his ideas about what happened, and maybe even some insight, but how can we know for sure? I don’t think Imus would have really felt threatened by Morning Sedition ratings-wise. But who knows. More likely it was Goldberg’s decision and a bunch of things played into it.

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 8:09 am

I do not believe in the death penalty. Barbaric act.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:09 am

thinking of james gandolfini perched on a Vespa is funny – isn’t he tooooo big?

oh! rachael is talking about it – ha!

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:14 am

miscellaneous fact: there are 283,000 millionaires in los angeles. i heard the number last night on public radio (air talk). the discussion was about having an nfl sports team and/or stadium in los angeles and not having to depend upon public money to build the stadium.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 8:28 am

I posted because I think the BSB guy is hilariously insane. Plus, I had heard that Danny Goldberg and Imus are good buddies.
In the past I had heard that Eric Alterman and Goldberg are good buddies. And recently, I read James Wolcott name-drop on his blog that he had lunch or something with Goldberg.

So maybe the Brother is in Goldberg’s inner circle, too?

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 8:34 am

The illegal aliens on our little pond hatched out two gosslings yesterday. Man are they adorable! Ma & Pa both tend to them.

hope the snapping turtles don’t get them. They’ll swim underneath them and grab the babies and drown them. We have some giant snappers around this place. fingers and toes are crossed.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:36 am

foggy, what percentage is that, I wonder? I heard on Al’s show that 60% of the members of Congress are millionaires.

danny goldfart

WEBHUBBLE: IF I WANT TO JUST LISTEN TO THE CLIP, WHICH FILE DO I DOWNLOAD – THERE ARE SO MANY CHOICES at the link that I’m confused. thanks.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:38 am

How could I forget, the real reason I posted the Brother Sky Blue rant is because Marc said on last night’s show that he was going to back and listen to Malloy’s podcast so he could hear the rant himself.

It sounded like he was at least intrigued by the idea (maybe more for its comedic potential than anything else).

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 8:39 am

i met one of Moussaoui lawyers a while back. from my understanding, the defendant was a terrorist-wanna-be crazy man.

comment by farmerkat

an interview on npr (all things considered) last night gave the same viewpoint. they said that the government failed to prove that moussaoui had anything to do with 9-11 except in his own troubled mind. it’s hard to give the death penalty to someone who had nothing to do with 9-11 except to cheer for what happened that day.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 8:43 am

Farmerkat,
Turtles are funny. Did anybody catch Jim Earl’s Wheel of Anger on turtles from an early MM show?

On a side note, stop putting unwanted pets in your local pond. Yesterday I saw some guy and his two kids put two turtles into Echo Park Lake. The local lake is not your unwanted reptile recycle station. Just because it’s a big flat thing of water doesn’t mean turtles can live in it, alright? If you don’t have the intelligence to take care of two little turtles, then maybe you shouldn’t have any kids. As a matter of fact, next time why don’t you just keep the turtles and release the kids into the lake. They’d have a better chance of surviving, and if they make it to the other side where the rents are lower, they might even get sold into white slavery — which is a considerable improvement over what they had with you. –Jim Earl, March 16th

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 8:44 am

I’d forgotten that, web, thanks for reminding me of it!

The snappers here grow to well over a foot and half in diameter. My neighbor catches them and gives them to the “black folks” (his words) along with racoons for eating. I’ve sent a couple in that direction as I get concerned they’ll take our toes off! I relocated a giant one last year as well. don’t know if that works, though.

foggy, i missed that piece.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:49 am

Farmerkat,
Sorry for the confusing page. This is a good link to try:
http://www.ar...rskyblue.mp3

It’s a lot easier to get images on the free web servers. With audio, we have fewer choices. I think there should be something like youtube.com just for us audio geeks.

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 8:49 am

gracias, webhub. i’m just not too savvy with this audio stuff.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:51 am

I forgot what I wanted to say.:omg:

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 8:53 am

I’m speechless after reading this piece by Richard Cohen in todays Washington Post.

Via Atrios

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 8:55 am

ok, I turned rachael off

HER FREAKING VOICE IS SO INCREDIBLY OBNOXIOUS TODAY I CAN NOT TAKE IT ANY MORE.

Gypsy once said the woman needs to drink milk, hell, smoke some cigarettes, drink milk, take a class, just lower the screech.

(Whew, ok, settle down, guess I had my own wheel of anger going…)

i’ll go watch the babies and try to find the calm.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 8:57 am

re: Richard Cohen

It looks like it is an all-out war on The Funny.

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 9:00 am

How could I forget, the real reason I posted the Brother Sky Blue rant is because Marc said on last night�s show that he was going to back and listen to Malloy�s podcast so he could hear the rant himself.

That’s all we need…another thing for Marc to get paranoid about

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 9:02 am

Rachel sounds so, you know, incredulous, in her tone. With a slight shift in her syllable emphasis, everything she says would sound like a question.

And can’t she just talk to the listeners live? What’s with this “Ask Dr. Maddow” stuff? She has to hire a courier, one Kent Jones, to read listener’s questions?

Jeez, now I am doing it. Am I like saying everything in the form of a question?

Comment by WebHubbleTelescope — May 4, 2006 @ 9:05 am

By Juan Cole

We are not going to let dozens of US corporations loot the American people and the Iranian people alike with no-bid “contracts”, embezzlement, corruption, and graft.

We are not going to let you have a war against Iran.

So sit down and shut up, American Enterprise Institute, and Hudson Institute, and Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and American Heritage Institute, and this institute and that institute, and cable “news”, and government “spokesmen”, and all the pundit-ferrets you pay millions to make business for the American military-industrial complex and Big Oil.

We don’t give a rat’s ass what Ahmadinejad thinks about European history or what pissant speech the little shit gives.

I call on university students across America to begin holding antiwar rallies. The only way you can have a war on Iran is to draft the young people. It is you who are on the line. Demonstrate! Demonstrate against the very hint of war! Demonstrate in front of the warmongering “institutes” in Washington, DC! Demonstrate to end the one we’ve already got! (See Speaker’s Forum on Iraq

Here is what the real Iran experts think about the prospect of an Iran war.

Because Hitchens’s dirty tricks and lies against me are only the beginning. Whoever stands against the Perpetual War machine will be attacked, slimed, marginalized, and destroyed if the warmongers get their way. I don’t care. Thus far and no farther.

One, two, three, four. We don’t want your stinking war!

posted by Juan @ 5/03/2006 06:30:00 AM

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Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 9:05 am

On a side note, stop putting unwanted pets in your local pond. Yesterday I saw some guy and his two kids put two turtles into Echo Park Lake. The local lake is not your unwanted reptile recycle station. Just because it�s a big flat thing of water doesn�t mean turtles can live in it, alright? If you don�t have the intelligence to take care of two little turtles, then maybe you shouldn�t have any kids. As a matter of fact, next time why don�t you just keep the turtles and release the kids into the lake. They�d have a better chance of surviving, and if they make it to the other side where the rents are lower, they might even get sold into white slavery � which is a considerable improvement over what they had with you. �Jim Earl, March 16th

Good rant. I have serious issues with people who let pets go like that. The “Born Free” idea of letting pets fend for themself is naive, and people have no idea what they’re doing to their local ecosystem. In fact, most people would not know an ecosystem if it came over, kicked their butts, and said “we’re all connected and you’re fucking it up, asshole!”

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 9:07 am

Yeah, what’s happening to Rachel? Seriously?

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 9:08 am

Juan Cole on Christopher Hitchens:

“Christopher Hitchens owes me a big apology.

I belong to a private email discussion group called Gulf2000. It has academics, journalists and policy makers on it. It has a strict rule that messages appearing there will not be forwarded off the list. It is run, edited and moderated by former National Security Council staffer for Carter and Reagan, Gary Sick, now a political scientist at Columbia University. The “no-forwarding” rule is his, and is intended to allow the participants to converse about controversial matters without worrying about being in trouble. Also, in an informal email discussion, ideas evolve, you make mistakes and they get corrected, etc. It is a rough, rough draft.

Hitchens somehow hacked into the site, or joined and lurked, or had a crony pass him things. And he has now made my private email messages the subject of an attack on me in Slate. (I am not linking to the article because it is highly unethical and Slate does not deserve any direct traffic from my site for it.) Moreover, he did not even have the decency to quote the final outcome of the discussions.”

”

More from firedoglake

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 9:12 am

The theory, generally credited to by Warren Commission staffer Arlen Specter (now a US Senator), posits that a single bullet, known as “Warren Commission Exhibit 399″ (also known as “CE399″), caused all of the non-fatal wounds in both President John F. Kennedy and Governor John Connally. It is an important theory because its plausibility has been a popular point of contention. The 1979 House Select Committee on Assassinations Report agreed with the theory, but differed on the time frame.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 9:19 am

foggy, what percentage is that, I wonder?

comment by farmerkat

when they mentioned 283,000 millionaires, they also mentioned that 20 million southern californians didn’t have an nfl team (didn’t discuss how many of them actually wanted an nfl team, oh well, whatever). a google search gives 15 million plus as the population for greater los angeles in 1994, so assuming a 20 million population for greater los angeles today, then 283,000 millionaires would be 1.4% of the population. sounds like a bigger percentage than in other places like say georgia or northern rural california for example, but definitely not as much as 60% in congress.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 9:20 am

Everything pertaining to what’s happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I’m in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.
Reporter : Are these people in very high positions Jack ??
Jack :�� Yes.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 9:22 am

thx for the cole-hitchens discussion link to firedoglake, isi.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 9:25 am

However between frames 312 and 313 there is a forward motion indicating a shot from behind. What is the explanation for this

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 9:27 am

ok, I turned rachael off

me too. about two weeks ago. for the same reason you did. i’m doing fine. life goes on.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 9:31 am

wow, what great stuff this morning!
Ill have to get back later and go through the Hitchens stuff. I love his old Mother Theresa stuff, but somewhere in there his alcoholism seems to have taken over…and he is well known as a drunk…so I dont know what the big deal is.
Kat- We too have a couple of big snapping turtles. Last year Will thought one 2 footer was dead because it was just sorta floating by the edge, so I went up to it and poked it a bit and it sort of slowly swam off. They have no fear and their heads are HUGE!!
We lost all the carp that had naturally migrated there (its an old pool that my grandfather built out of stone in the 40’s and has turned fully into a frog pond and all overgrown…)
and some years things are really scarce animal-wise.
Of course, in these parts, everyone is going crazy trying to get rid of those geese because they arent flying south anymore…global warming and goose poop all over the place.

The best thing with those confusing links is to choose to stream the thing from where it is, unless it something that you want to keep.

I’ll be very happy to hear what sammy the stem cell has to say about all of this!! It is pretty funny …and, yes, apparently all of those guys listen to Imus and are friends with him…I think that Imus is pretty evil in some ways…and though he may have good taste in music, he has NO taste in comedy…I question his politics too.

Comment by Melina — May 4, 2006 @ 9:32 am

I sure wish that Huffpo would take the dead elephants off the front page!

Comment by Melina — May 4, 2006 @ 9:33 am

If HuffPo wants a picture to sympolize the sickly republicans put a picture of a wall street guy on the streets of manhattan having a heart attack. Not a tragic picture of suffering elephants.

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 9:38 am

I guess John Fund has been attacking Juan Cole, also.
James Wolcott weighs in here.

Now Yale is considering recruiting Juan Cole into the faculty as a professor of Middle East studies, which has Fund’s beady eyes ablaze and the warbloggers in one of their impotent uproars.

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 9:44 am

thx webhub and susanjoy for jim earl’s rant on people who abandon a pet to fend for itself in nature.

i’m glad jim dug in and got heavy about the topic because people who do stuff like that are so clueless about the harm they’re doing to their pet and to the environment.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 10:03 am

Hey Sean, That sounds interesting. I was kinda itchin’ to go to this show. Lemme think on it. I don’t have any idea where I’m gonna be working after this week and really shouldn’t spend any money but I may say fuck it.

Comment by Kristapea — May 4, 2006 @ 10:50 am

Hey Sean, I gotta work through Friday(I’ll leave work early) but if you have time to stop in Phx I can meet you somewhere.

Comment by Kristapea — May 4, 2006 @ 10:59 am

Oh wait. I’m supposed to go to First fridays with a friend Friday night but I think I’d rather see Marc.

Comment by Kristapea — May 4, 2006 @ 11:01 am

I gotta think about this. What else did I schedule for Friday??

Comment by Kristapea — May 4, 2006 @ 11:04 am

If HuffPo wants a picture to sympolize the sickly republicans put a picture of a wall street guy on the streets of manhattan having a heart attack.

How about a picture of a rich lawyer, purple-faced and bruised from having been shot in the face?

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 11:09 am

That’s no fair. I want to go see Marc, and have him sign my copy of his book. Whoever goes, tell him we all say ‘hey.’

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 11:22 am

How about a picture of a rich lawyer, purple-faced and bruised from having been shot in the face?

Comment by pjsauter

That’s even better. In fact, that’s GREAT!

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 12:38 pm

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
Tue May 2, 8:16 PM ET

WASHINGTON – Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Tuesday that a Republican proposal in Congress to set up a watchdog over the federal courts is a “really scary idea.”

Ginsburg told a gathering of the American Bar Association that lawyers should stick up for judges when they are criticized by congressional leaders.

“My sense now is that the judiciary is under assault in a way that I haven’t seen before,” she said.

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Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 12:44 pm

hey i will be to phoenix tonight!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 12:52 pm

hangover!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 1:18 pm

must go back to sleep!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 1:22 pm

fred, you asked why don’t people just get up off their asses and protest. i’ve been thinking about that. i ran across a musing by matt borondy (identitytheory.com) that i think explains a little about why people are refusing to take action even in the face of the crises this administration is foisting on us:

I am not in any way an expert on psychology, but I’ve become more and more interested in the way my mind is so persistent about creating little thoughts and illusions to keep itself happy and avoid anxiety.

It’s one of those things that people understand intellectually but have trouble seeing in the moment it’s happening. When faced with a choice between the temporary peace of mind created by delusions and the temporary anxiety created by reality, people almost always choose the delusions.

And the funny thing is, the artificial, short-term peace leads to heavier anxiety in the long term, whereas confronting the short-term anxiety leads to peace of mind in the long run.

But we live in a short-term, artificial sort of world, so people tend to opt for their own immediate sedation. I catch myself creating delusions all the time, to the point where it becomes like a game to see
what kind of stuff I’ll dream up next to avoid the truth that stares me in the face.

But when I see other people creating their delusions, it’s not funny to me at all. It pretty much just makes me sad.

link

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 1:22 pm

Well, Siggy got to play with a coyote today.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 1:24 pm

is siggy ok? a coyote is nothing to mess with!!!

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

sweet iporn!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 1:58 pm

Yeah, Siggy just chased him around for a while. He just wanted to sniff him. Never could catch up to him, though (I don’t think the coyote was really even trying). I had to use my big mean scary voice to call him back though, because I didn’t want the coyote to get fed up with being chased around.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 2:00 pm

here’s a stress management
technique recommended in all the latest psychological texts.

The funny thing is that it really works.

1. Picture yourself near a stream.
2. Birds are softly chirping in the cool mountain air.
3. No one but you knows your secret place.
4. You are in total seclusion from the hectic place called “the world.”
5. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascade of serenity.
6. The water is crystal clear.
7. You can easily make out the face of the person you’re holding underwater……
8. See, you’re smiling already!

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 2:05 pm

Kent State, May 4, 1970: America Kills Its Children

“four dead in ohio,” neil young’s song will be humming in my head all day.

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Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 2:12 pm

begin quote:

Kent State was my political education. What I discovered that week, and that year, was that America in those times was perfectly willing to harass, beat and kill its own children if they disagreed with government policy.

The step from being a member of the protected American mainstream to being a marginalized outsider, not entitled to the protection of law enforcement and fair prey to any violent, flag-waving bully who happened to pass, was to stand up and say you did not believe the Vietnam war was right.

I am not sure that anyone too young to remember those times can really appreciate what it was like. We know today the extent to which the FBI was involved in dirty tricks, illegal wiretapping and burglaries against even moderate antiwar organizations.

Prior to Kent State, I had joined an organization called Student Mobilization Against the War. One day, their offices were burglarized and their membership lists stolen. We had no doubt at the time that it was the government, and we were right.

end quote

http://www.sp...95/kent.html

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 2:17 pm

Seconds before they would have passed around the corner of a large building, and out of sight of the crowd, many of the Guardsmen wheeled and fired directly into the students, hitting thirteen, killing four of them, pulling the trigger over and over, for thirteen seconds. (Count out loud–one Mississippi, two Mississippi, to see how long this is.)

Guardsmen–none of whom were later punished, civilly, administratively, or criminally–admitted firing at specific unarmed targets; one man shot a demonstrator who was giving him the finger. The closest student shot was fully sixty feet away; all but one were more than 100 feet away; all but two were more than 200 feet away. One of the dead was 255 feet away; the rest were 300 to 400 feet away. The most distant student shot was more than 700 feet from the Guardsmen.

….

Here are the names of those who died at Kent State, so that they may not be forgotten:

ALISON KRAUSE

JEFFREY MILLER

SANDRA SCHEUER

WILLIAM SCHROEDER

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Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 2:25 pm

WASHINGTON – Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Tuesday that a Republican proposal in Congress to set up a watchdog over the federal courts is a �really scary idea.�

Ginsburg told a gathering of the American Bar Association that lawyers should stick up for judges when they are criticized by congressional leaders.

�My sense now is that the judiciary is under assault in a way that I haven�t seen before,� she said.

I am so afraid that the court will cease to be an independent entity the way it was first envisioned. There’s so much pressure now. Sandra Day O’Connor had to wait till she was off the court to speak, now Ginsberg is speaking her peace.

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 2:30 pm

FB, thanks for reminding me of the anniversary today.

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 2:32 pm

ok well i finally got over yesterdays blog and uh what the fuck? did nobody catch that the maron mail came from a yahoo mail account instead of marcmaron.com? i was stupid drunk when i read the maron mail last night and uh i noticed! ok well i find it fairly disconcerting dont know about the rest of you i mean what does

Come down, I need to talk to you about some stuff.

mean? huh huh i so have to go and find out! ok well i looked at the ucb place online and it looks like there is a parking lot i can park in right near there so even if nobody else is going i am gonna go screw this shit i need to know what the fuck is really going on why did the cat get so fat? why does the family die? do you care why? cause there hasnt been a sign of anything getting better in the ghetto peoples fed up but when they get up you point your fucking finger you racist you bigot thats not the problem now is it? its all about the money political power lets take it protecting the rich denying the poor oh ooops got off on a tangent there nofx is sweet!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 2:42 pm

oh by the way i was driving through back ass alabama and there is a guy there running for sheriff named hoss mack he so has my vote!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 2:51 pm

even if he is a republican!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 2:54 pm

Hey Sean, Marc’s mailing list e-mails have always come from marc_maron AT yahoo.com

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 2:58 pm

really? oh ok uh my bad then i guess?

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 3:11 pm

yep youre right just went and looked at old marc mail!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 3:13 pm

Yeah, actually he uses ezinedirector, which is an e-mail list service, so that’s actually where it comes from. But the “from” address on the e-mails is the yahoo address.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 3:17 pm

i got rid of my yahoo email account when i read that yahoo helps the chinese government prosecute dissidents who promote democracy.

yahoo is a red company that gives thousands of dollars to the republicans. now i have an email account at gmail (mail.google.com) which is from google, a blue company.

19 April 2006

Yahoo ! implicated in third cyberdissident trial
US company�s collaboration with Chinese courts highlighted in Jiang Lijun case

Reporters Without Borders has obtained a copy of the verdict in the case of Jiang Lijun, sentenced to four years in prison in November 2003 for his online pro-democracy articles, showing that Yahoo! helped Chinese police to identify him.

It is the third such case, following those of Shi Tao and Li Zhi, proving the implication of the American Internet company.

The verdict, made available and translated into English by the human rights group, the Dui Hua Foundation, can be downloaded below.

“Little by little we are piecing together the evidence for what we have long suspected, that Yahoo! is implicated in the arrest of most of the people that we have been defending,� the press freedom organisation said.

�Last week we went to the headquarters of the company to urge them to end this collaboration. We called on them to remove their email servers from China, because it is the only way to avoid taking part in the current crackdown against journalists and democrats.�

�We hope this Internet giant will not, as it has each time it has been challenged previously, hide behind its local partner, Alibaba, to justify its behaviour. Whatever contract it has with this partner, the email service is marketed as Yahoo!� the organisation said.

link to reporters without borders for press freedom

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 3:17 pm

Sean, that will be great. You’ll drive your rig up to the place. Go in and say. OK, Maron I’m here, now what is it you want to talk with me about.

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 3:21 pm

Yeah, I’ve had a yahoo account for a long time, but I’ve never really used it. Not a bad address to use for things you know are gonna generate spam, though. I have a hotmail account that pretty much does nothing but attract spam, too. I have most of my e-mail addresses forwarded to gmail. They at least tried to stand up to the feds (even if they caved in to the Chinese on censoring their search results), plus you can set it up to send e-mail “from” any of your other accounts, which comes in handy.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 3:29 pm

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 3:31 pm

i’m doing something similar to what you’re doing pj, i’ve got 3 email accounts so as to manage the spam. it took me a while to get used to the gmail organizational system but now i like it.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 3:44 pm

hey apparently marc was inviting people by name am i invited? hmmmm i want to be invited!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 4:09 pm

NSC-68

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 4:15 pm

How many Democratic senators crossed over to vote for Taft/Hartley? Look it up.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 4:16 pm

Blog Killer!:omg:

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 4:21 pm

Iran
Islamic Dress Code to Be Strictly Enforced
by Niusha Boghrati
Worldpress.org correspondent
May 2, 2006

With Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s ascension to Iran’s presidency, there has been a marked change in the country’s stance on a number of issues. One such issue concerns a new domestic crackdown on women who do not follow the strict Islamic dress code. Teams of patrols are seen on the streets of Tehran, and in some other large cities, busting young girls in some cases boys and taking them into detention. Offenders are sometimes even struck with police batons.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 4:24 pm

Good clip, Tyger Thom. Rumsfeld is getting his ass handed to him by a professor.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 4:25 pm

well i am hitting the road will check in from the truck stop in phoenix to see if krista is going! because then i will help her drive there and back!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 4:28 pm

OK, this is what happens when I take vacation time and dare to sleep past 5 AM. (Granted, WAAAAY past 5 AM.) I miss shit.

Can someone please explain to me:

1) When did Christopher Hitchins stop drinking? And is the entire distilled-spirits industry in mourning yet?

2) WTF is Sean on that makes him think that quietgirl and Krista are nuts enough to get stranded somewhere with him in his truck? Did he finish off the leftovers in Christopher Hitchins’ liquor cabinet?

3) Is it just me, or does anyone else think that sniffing a coyote might be a good time?

4) Kent State is located in the next county over from where I grew up. I remember it like it was yesterday. Why has not a damn thing changed in 36 years?

I think I need to and . Not necessarily in that order. Ciao, y’all.

Comment by Kevin M — May 4, 2006 @ 4:31 pm

The best thing with those confusing links is to choose to stream the thing from where it is,

thanks, Melina. did the snapper eat the carp? Our carp are montrous, as are our catfish – scary giant heads. my neighbor told me to fish them out and get smaller ones, but i think they weigh more than I.
**

How about a picture of a rich lawyer, purple-faced and bruised from having been shot in the face?

Comment by pjsauter

Ha! great idea, pj. isi, i “flagged” as positive your post on huffpo last night as part of Blog solidarity.

***
foggy, thanks for the loz angeles stats!

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 4:36 pm

Rumsfeld is getting his ass handed to him by a professor.

rumsfeld sounded flustered. at one point he was speechless.

the guy asking the questions was terrific. so cool and relentless and focused. rumsfeld couldn’t come up with enough bs to swamp him so the handlers told the questioner that rumsfeld was done talking on that topic.

i have no idea what the guy’s name was. does anyone know? how do you know he was a professor?

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 4:39 pm

hmmmmm i wonder!

Comment by SeanMS — May 4, 2006 @ 4:44 pm

UPDATE: CNN reports that the questioner was 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern.

—————-
When someone from the CIA asks a government official where they got there intelligence..You sort of know it was from up their a*

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 4:45 pm

WTF is Sean on that makes him think that quietgirl and Krista are nuts enough to get stranded somewhere with him in his truck?

sean, take pictures of the rig in the lot please!

coyotes ’round here are mean as hell and would definitely attack one of our dogs…. the fox hunters brought them in because there were not enough foxes for them to chase on horseback. We are now overrun by them. They are not indigenous to this area. (insert Jim’s rant.)

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 4:49 pm

On the eastern planes of Colorado Coyotes are quite plentiful and there is a sport generally among the locals to hunt then from the back of their pickup trucks. Two guys with shot guns tie themselves to the roll bar and off they go.. It’s a lot of excitement until the truck driver forgets when the irrigation channels are.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 4:59 pm

Gee, thanks alot farmerkat!

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 5:00 pm

Self-Haters Unite!

The Israeli Anti-Semitic Cartoons Contest

By GILAD ATZMON

More than two months ago, following the cartoon scandal and the outrage of the Muslim world that ensued, a group of Israelis announced their own anti-Jewish cartoons contest. At the time, they received very wide coverage in the Israeli media and Jewish supportive press around the world. At the end of the day, the Israelis in particular, and Jews in general, insist on being ’seen’ as open-minded beings, people who can easily handle self-mockery.

The contest is now over. More than a few cartoons were submitted from around the world, many of them made by Jews and Israelis. Most of the cartoons are hilariously vicious, but — how can one put it — the Jewish and the Israeli media are now far less enthusiastic about the entire issue of self-mockery. Two out of the four jurists (Art Spiegelman and Amos Biderman) were quick to distance themselves from the contest, dismissing the submissions as disappointing, low quality work. While Spiegelman suggested that the cartoons were “frightening for being too real, lack any sense of irony, and look very much like genuine Anti-Semitic cartoons,” Biderman insisted that the illustrations are not funny at all and fall into the category of “letting the shit hit the fan.” [...]
Self-Haters Unite!

http://www.co...5012006.html

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

Protect Organic Standards!

Following the final judgement in Harvey v. Johanns, and to address the Congressional amendment to the Organic Foods Production Act made on November 10, 2005, the USDA National Organic Program (NOP) has issued a Proposed Rule to amend the NOP Regulations.

Over 300,000 letters opposing the amendment to weaken organic standards were sent to Congress in November. Despite our hard work and the massive effort by thousands of organic farmers, food companies, consumers and activists, the amendment that potentially weakens the organic standards passed in a backroom deal during a late-night, Republican-only Conference Committee.

Now the USDA is proposing to amend the National Organic Program regulations to reflect the legislative changes made in Congress.

The USDA proposal could allow:

� Young dairy cows to be treated with antibiotics and fed genetically engineered feed prior to being converted to organic production.

� Numerous synthetic substances, including over 500 food contact substances, to be used in organic foods without public review and approval by the National Organic Standards Board (NOSB).

TELL USDA TO KEEP THE ORGANIC LABEL TRUTHFUL
COMMENTS MUST BE RECEIVED BY MAY 12TH – TAKE ACTION NOW!

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

I read Ray McGovern regularly. I was merely guessing that the man asking Rumsfeld questions was a professor. Former intelligence analyst, now a peace activist.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 5:05 pm

has maron been warned about Sean’s “visit”?

Also, i tried to find the Johnny Cake recipe on the Aunt Jemima web site and couldn’t locate it. Maron said he kind of adapted it, but I didn’t see anything to adapt. any ideas?

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 5:08 pm

Stop ranting, ma’am.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 5:14 pm

Which side of the debate are you on?
May 04, 2006

The Lobby

By Vijay Prashad

Talk about political correctness. You can’t mention Israel’s Little Power ambitions and its ingenious reach into the halls of the US establishment without getting whacked. All of us who have an opinion about the role of Israel in Washington, and of groups like WINEP on Israeli politics, don’t all speak with one voice. If you read the Counterpunch collection (The Politics of Anti-Semitism, edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair) alongside Chomsky’s writings on the Middle East, the range of opinion will become clear.

Indeed, Jeffrey Blankfort, in the Counterpunch collection, takes on Chomsky directly for an apparent underestimation of Israeli influence. There is no singular line, although with differences in emphases, there is agreement that not only does the intransigent Right in Washington model itself after Israel’s forward policy, but it is also deeply influenced by various Zionist organizations that make it their business to push and prod Washington to line up with the Israeli state’s Middle East policy.

That many American Jews disavow these organizations (AIPAC and WINEP) is clear to many of the writers who make this point. One of the more toxic Zionists is Robert Bartley, the editor of the Wall Street Journal, who once said, “Shamir, Sharon, Bibi – whatever these guys want is pretty much fine by me.” He’s a Midwestern Christian. For me, there is a fundamental distinction between calling this power bloc an “Israeli lobby” or a “Zionist lobby” and a “Jewish lobby.” The two former designations are more accurate, and far less prone to misrepresentation. Although with the forces that dismiss all criticism of Israel as the delusions of an anti-Semite would hardly listen carefully for these crucial differences.

Nothing the Israeli Lobby does is unusual. It operates in the way of the hundreds of other lobbies that operate in and around Washington. . .
http://www.zm...4prashad.cfm

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 5:19 pm

has maron been warned about Sean�s �visit�?

Marc mentioned him coming specifically on last night’s show. And Quietgirl & Kristapea, too.

I guess the rest of us just don’t rate.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 5:20 pm

Thanks farmerkat for this link

TELL USDA TO KEEP THE ORGANIC LABEL TRUTHFUL
COMMENTS MUST BE RECEIVED BY MAY 12TH – TAKE ACTION NOW!

This is such crap-olla, the Republicans screw everything up!

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 5:21 pm

the houston chronicle has an ap article on ray mcgovern heckling rumsfeld:

link

ATLANTA � Anti-war protesters repeatedly interrupted Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld during a speech Thursday and one man, a former CIA analyst, accused him in a question-and-answer session of lying about Iraq prewar intelligence.

“Why did you lie to get us into a war that caused these kind of casualties and was not necessary?” asked Ray McGovern, the former analyst.

“I did not lie,” shot back Rumsfeld, who waved off security guards ready to remove McGovern from the hall at the Southern Center for International Studies.

With Iraq war support remaining low, it is not unusual for top Bush administration officials to encounter protests and hostile questions. But the outbursts Rumsfeld confronted on Thursday seemed beyond the usual.

Three protesters were escorted away by security as each interrupted Rumsfeld’s speech by jumping up and shouting anti-war messages. Throughout the speech, a fourth protester stood up in the middle of the room with his back to Rumsfeld in silent protest.

Rumsfeld also faced tough questions from a woman identifying herself as Patricia Robertson, who said she had lost her son in Iraq. Robertson said she is now raising her grandson and asked whether the government could provide any help.

Rumsfeld referred her to a Web site listing aid organizations.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 5:22 pm

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 5:25 pm

the Republicans screw everything up!

yep yep… it scares me what we’re going to find once we run them outta Dodge.

thanks, pj, haven’t listened to last night’s show yet…

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 5:40 pm

Here’s the link to Rumsfeld at crooks and liars.

Comment by isi — May 4, 2006 @ 5:43 pm

Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld. The Lying Man!:rofl2::fu:

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 5:55 pm

� 300,000 kids diagnosed with autism
About 300,000 U.S. children have been diagnosed with autism, according to the largest national study so far of the prevalence of this complex behavioral disorder.

That means about 5.5 out of every 1,000 school-age children have been diagnosed with autism.

Past estimates have ranged from 1 to 9 out of every 1,000 children, based on smaller studies in individual states or cities.

can you say, thiomersal?

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 5:56 pm

man, what a week for courage, speaking truth to a hostile audience, face to face with the liars, first we had steve colbert confronting bush and now we have ray mcgovern confronting rumsfeld.

thx for posting the video isi.

begin quote:

Rumsfeld: …it appears that there were not weapons of mass destruction there.

McGovern: You said you knew where they were.

Rumsfeld: I did not. I said I knew where suspect sites were and…

McGovern: You said you knew where they were. Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words.

Rumsfeld: My words-my words were that-no-no, wait a minute–wait a minute. Let him stay one second. Just a second….

end quote

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 6:02 pm

Constitutional End Game
Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.co...5022006.html

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 6:03 pm

The problem is…

We are not going to run them out of Dodge..

we are going to end up with some horrible compromise with the Dems holding one house and the thugs the other and the presidency.. Nothing will get done ( which is better than what the thugs are doing) but none of the screw ups will get fixed either. We will have grid lock while the ship goes down.. In the mean time another 15 million people will go into poverty, the dollar will collaspe , we will have 20% inflation and no healthcare and the thug media will blame the whole thing on the Democrats.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:03 pm

Fuck it all then. I’m going to the Yukon.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 6:11 pm

Ah Haw i scared everyone off this time…heheheh

The previous comment of course made the assumption we attempt to chase them out of Dodge via normal techniques.. I rather like the techniques employed by the citizens of Laramie Wyoming in about 1890.. I even know how to order up a few box cars.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:13 pm

Fuck it all then. I�m going to the Yukon.

Comment by pjsauter � May 4, 2006 @ 6:11 pm

Just as Canada is installing their own right-wing regime? You can run, but you can’t hide.

Might as well stay here where it’s not so cold. But if you go, bring us back some beer.
:40::40:

Comment by Kevin M — May 4, 2006 @ 6:22 pm

What foggyblue said in comment # 70 is probably whats wrong here.. Americans are optimistic and uninformed so they live in denial that there is a problem. I would sort of doubt that the population in general would support an insurgency. The American revolution on the other hand involved only about 9% of the population of the colonies.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:23 pm

Just as Canada is installing their own right-wing regime? You can run, but you can�t hide.

In the Yukon, you can hide. It’s just tough getting hi-speed Internet access.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 6:25 pm

I would think you could get Direct PC in the Yukon.. electrical power may be the next hurdle.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:28 pm

Isi, thanks for the C&L link.

Rumsfart seems to be plagued with George Costanza syndrome, i.e. it’s not a lie if YOU believe it.

Or maybe he’s just suffering from delusions of competancy.

If it cheers anyone up, I talked to my dad in Ohio last night. (He’s in Ohio, I’m still in Florida. Sorry about that. My English degree is being reviewed as we speak.)

Ted Strickland did very well in the Dem primary, setting up a good vs. evil match for the governorship with Ken “Rigging the vote one machine at a time” Blackwell.

Given the poison atmosphere of the Repig party in that state, the thievery of Bob Ney, and a governor who polls lower than even Cheney, the Dems could very well take back both the governor’s mansion AND a Senate seat in November.

Comment by Kevin M — May 4, 2006 @ 6:28 pm

I would think you could get Direct PC in the Yukon.. electrical power may be the next hurdle.

Comment by fred � May 4, 2006 @ 6:28 pm

Giant hamster wheel, anyone? Maybe using a polar bear.

(I get some of my best ideas watching the Flintstones.)

Comment by Kevin M — May 4, 2006 @ 6:31 pm

Kevin : Ohio still has Blackwell, Deibolt and thuggery to over come.. I don’t see how the people who live there keep from hurting someone.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:32 pm

fred, your prognosis of compromise sounds entirely too cheery. you forgot to mention that our environment will be destroyed and our organic food will be poisoned and our supplements will be outlawed and we’ll be living in a buttoned-down police state. maybe you need to tamp down your prozac level a tad and get out of this exuberant state.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 6:36 pm

I get in this mood every Thursday because I have a meeting with our version of the Republican house ( called management). I don’t think I can freely discuss what the rest of us manufacturing slaves discussed following that meeting this morning. :mad::mad::eek::(

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:42 pm

On the other hand we may tick off Putin and HU to the point where they solve our problems for us.. That solution might even offset global warming.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:51 pm

Well, fucked up as everything is and useless as much of the media and most of the Democrats are, one thing I know for sure is that the goonsquad masquerading around as Republicans right now at the very least needs to not have complete control of all branches of government. So that has to be the first place to start. With at least one branch in the control of somebody else, real committees with subpoena power can start doing some real investigations that may just lead to getting an actual leader elected in 2008. Or not. Maybe we’ll get Joe Biden or John McCain instead.

But, first things first.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 6:52 pm

Lets see implementing Hartman’s callers idea..

The guy driving the Hummer gets 45 cent gas and the guy with the Prius gets the 6 dollar gas. ( assuming the pricing is determined by the oil companies)

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 6:55 pm

Nah, no DirecPC – it’s HughesNet now. And there’s too much latency. Maybe I can run a piece of fiber and an extension cord over from ANWR. The oil boys’ll have all the best stuff.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 6:55 pm

I don�t see how the people who live there keep from hurting someone.

Comment by fred � May 4, 2006 @ 6:32 pm

Sometimes they don’t.

Comment by Kevin M — May 4, 2006 @ 6:58 pm

bleak bleak and no place to go….maybe a good dose of denial will help me when I try to go to sleep tonight.

heard through my “source” that all three networks led with the rumsfart heckles. (i only watch when i know a certain someone will be on.) i asked how it came off and was told, don’t know for sure, but to him, it looks like things are unraveling. guess i just like hearing it from someone actually in the media.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 7:00 pm

TheTime is here the Earth has boiled
to a Point of No Return.

TheTime is here the land’s been spoiled
For His death your Freedom’s earned.

The Time is here so Preservation
Jesus is the Only Way.

The Time is here it’s Revelation
Who goes forth on the Dying Day?

They’re going to Battle in the Sky
The Depths of Hell the Demons Rise!

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 7:01 pm

Jesus is the Only Way.

turned on a show called “Sudan Special”… found two dudded-up women praying to JesUS that all the little children watching would be made free….how many children in the Sudan have TV’s?

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 7:07 pm

In about July we will start seeing where the networks stand concerning who they think will win in November. If they see the thugs are hopeless they may defect.. if not they will make a total joke out of the election,

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 7:09 pm

Tell me true, tell me why, was Jesus crucified
Is it for this that Daddy died?
Was it for you? Was it me?
Did I watch too much T.V.?
Is that a hint of accusation in your eyes?

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 7:09 pm

By the cold and religious we were taken in hand
Shown how to feel good and told to feel bad.
Tongue tied and terrified we learned how to pray
Now our feelings run deep and cold as the clay.
And strung out behind us the banners and flags
Of our possible pasts lie in tatters and rags.

Comment by pjsauter — May 4, 2006 @ 7:11 pm

Rumsfeld. You liar!
We’ll light your ass on fire!

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 7:16 pm

the new ribbon:

Mr. Fish: Support our Quagmire

The Senate approved another $72 billion in funding for the war today, bringing the running tally of dollars allocated to the war up to $320 billion. According to the DOD 2,405 American soldiers have died since the start of the war and at least 17,469 have been wounded. According to Iraq Body Count a minimum of 34,711 Iraqis have died since the fighting began.

Comment by Farmerkat — May 4, 2006 @ 7:41 pm

Why are you using this postmodern concept, JG?

Trope comes from the Greek word, tropos, which means a “turn”, as in heliotrope, a flower which turns toward the sun. We can imagine a trope as a way of turning a word away from its normal meaning, or turning it into something else.

A number of tropes have been identified, among them:

* metonymy as in association.
* irony as in contraries.
* metaphor as in comparatives.
* synecdoche as in the distribution of the whole into the part.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 7:46 pm

nickirose, who is JG? what postmodern concept are you referencing?

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 7:54 pm

oh my, the “support our quagmire” cartoon, thx farmerkat for the link.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 7:58 pm

JG=Janeane

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 8:07 pm

oh. of course. i wasn’t listening. now i am.

Comment by foggyblue — May 4, 2006 @ 8:11 pm

I should have said “Postmodern bigword”. Using words that make things seem more difficult to understand than they need be.

No big deal. Tyger Thom said “trope”. Then Janeane used the word in the next show.

Comment by NickiRose — May 4, 2006 @ 8:11 pm

What foggyblue said in comment # 70 is probably whats wrong here.. Americans are optimistic and uninformed so they live in denial that there is a problem. I would sort of doubt that the population in general would support an insurgency. The American revolution on the other hand involved only about 9% of the population of the colonies.

Is a majority necessary? I volunteer to do the whole thing myself. Just kidding, I’m just frustrated though.

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 8:22 pm

Speaking of JG does anyone else have a problem understanding what in the H* she is talking about sometimes. She goes off on these platitude spewing spasms and I think she probably loses 90% of their audience.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 8:56 pm

Speaking of JG does anyone else have a problem understanding what in the H* she is talking about sometimes. She goes off on these platitude spewing spasms and I think she probably loses 90% of their audience.

That’s my main problem with her. Cliches and generalizations and personality analyses of people that are really off the mark and condescending. Let’s put it this way, if I listen to Majority Report it’s for Sam Seder.

Comment by Susan Joy — May 4, 2006 @ 9:04 pm

MR blog = :40: + :bong: +:doh::doh: = tonight.. I read all the conspiracy theories about the WTC failing scenarios and they really need some structural engineers to talk with these conspiracy people. A good fire fueled by carpeting, paper, aluminum wall structures and computer cases can probably easily get to 3000 degrees F.. and it had plenty of ignition sources. The WTC buildings were the only buildings ever constructed that way. They didn’t have a concrete core and the floors were only supported on the inside and the outside. They may have been a fire trap from day one.

Now i will wait for Nicki to have a tizzy fit.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 9:08 pm

The issue with the pancaking is stupid to say the floors held up the one above them to start with since the floors actually don’t hold any weight at all relative to the support columns, many of which were removed by the airplanes. A typical building with vermiculite floors has a floor loading of about 200 lbs per sq foot. and are not designed for dynamic loading of several tons per sq foot. I doubt that many of the 911 conspiracy theorists have any concept of the structural design of the WTC.

Comment by fred — May 4, 2006 @ 9:17 pm

Re:# 114 PJ!:omg:
I think it was because over at the other blog they were plotting and planning to go out there and he seemed quite thrilled.
If you had said you were going he would have been thrilled as well.
Anyone here going to see Mishna?

Here I am missing citizenkahn:knit:
My cats are jonesing for the Otis report.

Comment by sbluefox — May 4, 2006 @ 10:29 pm

Hey Sean, are you in Phoenix? I’d meet ya for coffee or food. What part of town are you in? Not sure I’ll be able to make the show cuz the lady I’m working for wants to get this room done before the weekend. I kinda doubt I’d be able to drive. I might fly if I could find a cheap enough fare this late. But first I must go to grocery store.

Comment by Kristapea — May 4, 2006 @ 10:45 pm

Hey PJ, if I end up going, I’ll bring my copy of marcs’ book and have him sign it and we can trade! I live close enough that I’m sure I’ll get plenty of opportunities to see him.

Comment by Kristapea — May 4, 2006 @ 10:51 pm

im in eloy right now on my way probably gonna drive to ehrenberg tonight

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:27 am

whoa hour and a half no posts! craziness!

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:28 am

Where the hell is Ehrenburg?

Comment by Kristapea — May 5, 2006 @ 12:30 am

80 miles from phoenix eloy is at the border

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:40 am

eloy : az ca border eloy 80 miles before phx

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:40 am

ok just checked myspace and i got a reply from an e-mail i sent to doug stanhope very weird didnt think he is the kind of guy to reply to e-mails hmmmm anyway

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:50 am

Eloy is south of Phoenix :?:

Comment by Kristapea — May 5, 2006 @ 12:55 am

yep will be there in a little bit about to leave now uh yep you can send me instant messages to seaniesean5 on aol or yahoo and i can get them on my phone while driving

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:59 am

You know, you can sky dive there. I jumped out of a plane there. It was pretty cool.

Comment by Kristapea — May 5, 2006 @ 1:05 am

yep yep ok well im hungry so if you want to get something to eat or something e-mail seaniesean5 on yahoo and let me know where to go or something i will check the mail in like fifteen or so ok yep yep well im off!

Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 1:18 am

I dig Johnny K Street. Can anyone make me a Johnny K Street CD? (Although the routine is not as spontaneous as those from Morning Sedition days.)

Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:41 am