Morning Seditionists

May 5, 2006

Cinco de Mayo Abra la Discusión

Filed under: Whatever — pjsauter @ 5:00 am

Benito JuárezHola! Today isn’t a holiday in the United States, but it ought to be. And it ought to be a reason for us to embrace our neighbors to the south, instead of trying to demonize them.

In 1858, Benito Juárez (a full-blooded Zapotec, and member of the Liberal Party) was elected President of Mexico. Thanks to their Civil War (oh, and that little Mexican-American War thing), Mexico was financially devastated, and Juárez was forced to suspend all foreign debt payments, which England, Spain and France weren’t really happy about. Being imperialist Europeans, they did what imperalists do – they invaded. England and Spain cut deals and split pretty quickly, but not those pesky French (under Napoleon III – who was not dissimilar to dubya, in many respects).

Napolean wasn’t all that crazy about the United States (we were in the midst of our own little difficulties at the time, you may recall) , and he was hoping to toss out the Mexican Constitutional Government and set up something a little more favorable to France (to that end, he installed Maximilian I as Emperor). In fact, he had plans to institute a monarchy over Central and South America so France could exploit the region’s raw materials (plus supply the Confederacy in its fight against the Union). The French were in cahoots with the plutocratic Mexican land owners, who weren’t real crazy about this Juárez guy.

Anyhow, in April of 1862, a French force of seven thousand set out for Mexico City, having somehow gotten the impression that the Mexican people would welcome them (I believe they were told they’d be greeted as liberators, and showered with flowers and candy). Juárez ordered General Ignacio Zaragoza (who had 2,000 soldiers entrenched in the fortified hills of Loreto and Guadalupe by the city of Puebla) to set the French straight.

On cinco de mayo, 1862, the very well-equipped French attacked the two forts (defended mostly by Mexican Indians armed only with machetes) with cannon and rifles. Zaragosa ordered his cavalry (commanded by Colonel Porfirio Diaz) to attack the French flanks (which I understand are excellent with a nice Burgundy), and the French, in turn, sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz, who pretty much butchered them. What was left of the French infantry charged the Mexicans – or at least they tried to – through a stampeding herd of cattle that the Mexicans stirred up.

By the end of the day, one fort was in ruins, but more than a thousand French soldiers were dead.

So, the French didn’t get to run guns and supplies to the Confederacy, Union forces were eventually sent to the Tex/Mex border under the command of General Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got whatever weapons and ammo they needed. Poor old Maximillian was eventually executed by firing squad, and Napoleon III was deposed as Emperor of France in 1870, and dead by 1873.

So, anyhow, that’s how the Mexicans saved the Union, and why cinco de mayo ought to be a holiday in the US, filled with piñatas, Sangria, and much singing of La Bandera de Estrellas.

That, and it’s a long way between New Year’s and Memorial Day.

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219 Comments

  1. numero uno!:banana: hey juarez mexico is where i got drunk the other day!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 5:03 am


  2. :alc: Happy Cinco de Mayo, everybody!:banana:

    Comment by Travis — May 5, 2006 @ 5:18 am


  3. Good morning. Feliz Cinco de Mayo :alc:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 5:24 am


  4. 230 miles to maron!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 5:44 am


  5. feliz cinco de mayo hermanos y hermanas!!:fist:

    no tomen tanto ahora como Sean:40::alc:. si no, van a escribir Emails que solomente otros borrachos pueden intendir.

    :banana: :rofl2:

    Comment by quietgirl — May 5, 2006 @ 5:58 am


  6. haha…:alc:

    Comment by quietgirl — May 5, 2006 @ 6:04 am


  7. en ingles por favor!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 6:07 am


  8. you lucky people are going to see Marc :banana: :love::nod:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 6:10 am


  9. Feliz Cinco de Mayo!

    PJ => :love: you make me smile & laugh.. :love:

    morning :joe:

    Seanie – take photos for the blog please.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 7:31 am


  10. because I’m an idiot I’m listening to the Rachael Maddow show
    BUT
    she just interviewed Jodi Cutis with Planned Parenthood about fake abortion clinics. There are about 6 fake clinics to every one real clinic. I had no idea. This is a horror story.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 7:46 am


  11. yep…we want documentation dudes!

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 7:52 am


  12. Yes, I caught that bit about fake abortion clinics. Scary. Rachel does still sometimes come up with some story that isn’t easy to find elsewhere. Not as often as she used to, but sometimes

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 7:54 am


  13. yes, she does, susan. I’m just hoping she keeps her voice under control today so I can continue to listen!

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 7:56 am


  14. Ray McGovern vs. Rumsfeld… “he was in Baghdad”

    QUESTION: Zarqawi? He was in the north of Iraq in a place where Saddam Hussein had no rule. That’s also…

    RUMSFELD: He was also in Baghdad.

    QUESTION: Yes, when he needed to go to the hospital.

    Come on, these people aren’t idiots. They know the story.

    Still going over this interview. It’s just so nice to see someone take on Rumsfield like that.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 7:59 am


  15. tequila tonight! :40:

    Comment by King Kong — May 5, 2006 @ 8:54 am


  16. too much tequila. good night.

    Comment by King Kong — May 5, 2006 @ 9:19 am


  17. good night, KK.

    Oh, this is rich. Lieberman :fu:

    Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for “principled reasons” shouldn’t be forced to do so.

    “In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital,” he said.

    Well Joe, that’s not very helpful. I mean, I know that you’ll never need emergency contraception at two o’clock in the morning after having been brutally raped. So I guess it’s easy for you to disregard any woman who is unlucky enough to have gone through that trauma.

    But here’s a suggestion: Why don’t you provide maps for the victims, so they can walk out of the Emergency Rooms of the various Catholic hospitals around the state, hail a cab, and take that “short ride” to another hospital?

    You know what, Joe?

    Never mind.

    I’ll do it.

    And knowing how difficult it is to even GET a cab at 2AM, I’ll include the distance between the hospitals, in case the victims have to walk (or crawl) there.

    So here ya go, Joe. Just print these out and send them to the Catholic hospitals Emergency Rooms. (Of course, we all know they wouldn’t even give them to the victims, but it can’t hurt to try…)

    Maps from Mapquest.Com

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 9:25 am


  18. Providing emergency contraceptives to rape victims is an ESSENTIAL medical service, and medical institutions that refuse to put the health and welfare of their patients above religious doctrine/political shtupping should get out of the health field.

    With this advice to women who have just been raped- he has shown himself to be not just a “Republican in Democrat’s clothing,” but in the same boat as extreme Republicans a la Rick Santorum and others of that ilk. How could any woman, or anybody with a bit of empathy fail to be outraged by his remarks here?

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 9:34 am


  19. thanks for the excellent intro, pj. knowing all that stuff helps me celebrate cinco de mayo with more vigor than ever. yay president benito juarez. yay colonel porfirio diaz. thank you for helping us get rid of slavery. :alc:

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 9:36 am


  20. Agree…PJ’s intros are always good but today I had a history lesson! :razz:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 9:38 am


  21. lieberman. :growl: :evil::barf:

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 9:40 am


  22. So, anyhow, that’s how the Mexicans saved the Union, and why cinco de mayo ought to be a holiday in the US, filled with piñatas, Sangria, and much singing of La Bandera de Estrellas.

    pjsauter @ 5:00 am

    PJ, I really appreciated your blog entry today. I appreciated it so much I sent it to Marc. If he doesn’t acknowledge it on his show tonight then something is wrong with him. We all know something is wrong with him, but I mean really wrong with him!
    :sammy:

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 9:42 am


  23. Hey Sean, I was probably in bed when you drove through. That’s why I’m a morning seditionist :tongue:

    I’m gonna check out flights. Would someone be able to pick me up at the airport? QuietGirl?

    Comment by Kristapea — May 5, 2006 @ 9:47 am


  24. Porfiro Diaz turned into a vicious dictator. Finally overthrown in 1912.

    Renew the Revolution!:omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 9:54 am


  25. Diaz is an interesting character. He said, “¡Pobre México! ¡Tan lejos de Dios, y tan cerca los Estados Unidos!” (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States!).

    In 1876 he overthrew President Sebastián Lerdo de Tejada. At first, he advanced a platform of reform – “No Re-election.” He appointed himself President in 1876, served one term and then stepped down in favor of Manuel González. Unfortunately, the period that followed was full of corruption and incompetence (sound familiar?), so when Díaz decided to run in the next election he was a welcome replacement, and everybody forgot about his “No Re-election” slogan. Díaz had the constitution amended, at first to allow two terms, and then to remove all restrictions on re-elections.

    He maintained power through manipulation of votes, violence, and assassination of his opponents. A consummate politician, he was astute at manipulating the people to his advantage.

    In 1899 he faced some small opposition from Bernardo Reyes, who decided to run for president after Díaz gave an interview in which he said he would allow free and open elections. Apparently he was just kidding, and Díaz forced Reyes into exile.

    Díaz tried to modernize Mexico, building factories, railroads, and telegraph lins, all by jumping into bed with US business interests. But he was also tight with the wealthy Mexican land owners. He appointed governors that allowed plantation owners to gradually steal collectively-owned village land, using his rurales (rural police) to assist in this theft. He was overthrown in 1911 by Francisco Madero, and died in exile in France (of all places) in 1915.

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 9:57 am


  26. an interesting piece:

    Playing to the Home Crowd in Iran

    by MARK BOWDEN

    JUST over a quarter-century ago, five Iranian college students hit upon the idea of seizing the American Embassy in Tehran and staging a sit-in. Among them were Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is now Iran’s president, and Habibollah Bitaraf, the current energy minister.

    ****

    I’m just seething about Lieberman. I think I’ll call his office today and send Lamont some money. You’re right, he hit Santorum status.

    Joe = 860) 549-8463
    (800) 225-5605
    email

    Ned Lamont

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 9:57 am


  27. We cannot eliminate the distinction between those who own means of production and those who do not own means of production, unless no one owns means of production, or, conversely, and what amounts to the same thing, unless everyone owns means of production equally. That much is an obvious tenet of advocating a new classless economy beyond capitalism. All socialists, for example, accept this view.

    But class division can also arise due to a division of labor which affords some producers, who I call the coordinator class, far greater influence and income than other producers, who I call the working class. Claim 2 focuses on this latter point which many socialists, even, do not accept.
    Michael Albert

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:13 am


  28. Springer: “Of course everybody is outraged when somebody burns the flag. Everybody is, it’s a given” Um…Jerry…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 10:18 am


  29. Bi-partisan agreement for war on Iraq!:omg:

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, widely seen as the front-runner for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, accused the Bush administration in January of not taking the threat of a nuclear Iran seriously enough, criticized the Bush administration for allowing European nations to take the lead in pursuing a diplomatic solution, and insisted that the administration should make it clear that military options were being actively considered. Similarly, Democratic Senator Evan Bayh, another likely contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, accused the Bush administration of “ignoring and then largely deferring management of this crisis to the Europeans.” Taking the diplomatic route, according to Bayh, “has certainly been damaging to our national security.”

    Despite the hostility of these two Democratic senators toward diplomatic means of resolving the crisis and the similarity of their rhetoric to the false claims they made prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein’s government was a threat to global security and that diplomatic solutions were impossible, both Clinton and Bayh are widely respected by their fellow Democrats as leaders on security policy.
    Stephen Zunes

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:19 am


  30. Burn, Baby Burn! Burn the Yankee Swastika!

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:20 am


  31. Coordinator class: extremely high wage earners, ie: over $100,000 ?

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 10:21 am


  32. ok, i won’t cheer for porfirio diaz. i’m enjoying the history lessons.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 10:24 am


  33. Evan Bayh. I honestly didn’t know much about him until I saw a speech recently. He impressed me as somebody who will play to the “keep America safe through war” set. So yeah, this doesn’t surprise me.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 10:27 am


  34. Some waged employees monopolize empowering conditions and tasks and have considerable say over their own work situations and those of other workers below. Other waged employees endure only disempowering conditions and tasks and have virtually no say over their own or anyone else’s conditions. The former try to maintain their monopoly on empowering circumstances and greater income while ruling over the latter. Class struggle.

    Within capitalism, in this view we have not only capitalists and workers, but, in between, there is a coordinator class of empowered actors who defend their advantages against workers below and who struggle to enlarge their bargaining power against owners above. But even more, this coordinator class can actually become the ruling class of a new economy with capitalists removed and with workers still subordinate. That is, Marxism obscures the existence of a class which not only contends with capitalists and workers within capitalism, but which can become ruler of a new economy, aptly called, I think, coordinatorism.
    Michael Albert

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:27 am


  35. it’s been a year since the ultra conservative group “human events” published its 10 most harmful books of the 19th and 20th centuries. i read the list over again today and the nutcase comments on each book. boy what a twisted viewpoint these conservatives have. :tongue:

    their denunciations give us a real insight into the sorry state of the conservative mindset. :crap:

    i think the list of books is a good one for me to use to brush up on my education, though.

    link

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 10:28 am


  36. Zapatista Red Alert!
    Body: ***PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY***

    The zapatistas have issued a red alert.

    repression Against the other campaign has escalated with two shot dead today and many more injured by police outside of Mexico City, and activists and journalists imprisoned after May Day demonstrations in Oaxaca City.

    time for solidarity. anyone interested in organizing a local response, write now.

    zapata vive! la lucha sigue!

    please consider organizing actions in your towns and cities to denounce
    the repression against the Other Campaign…we just organized a protest
    for this friday at the mexican consulate here in nyc…this is one of
    those key moments where visible solidarity can really make a difference!

    Story of RED ALERT:
    http://www.in...838706.shtml

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:31 am


  37. senators clinton and bayh and lieberman :spank:
    :jerk: :yuck:

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 10:31 am


  38. The Story Behind the Zapatista Red Alert as the Other Campaign Arrives at
    Zero Hour

    By Bertha Rodrguez Santos and Al Giordano
    The Other Journalism with the Other Campaign in Mexico City

    May 3, 2006

    MEXICO CITY: From his first statements early this morning on Mexico Citys
    historic Alameda, Zapatista Insurgent Subcomandante Marcos was clearly
    informed about and visibly bothered by the police riot underway in the
    nearby city of Texcoco, where 800 heavily armed riot cops stormed the
    local flower growers market in the dawns early light, leading to a
    violent nationally televised standoff between the firearms of above and
    the worktools of below. By the afternoon after Delegate Zero traveled
    through downtown Mexico City by foot, by subway and by motorcycle, through
    its most working-class neighborhoods, listening to the grievances of the
    people he exploded in the Plaza of the Three Cultures: The Zapatistas
    have gone on Red Alert, the Other Campaign is suspended, and Marcos is
    heading to the scene of the crime to confront the Mexican State.

    To the death, if thats what it takes, as he said two days ago during a
    mass meeting in front of the national palace.

    And now, the Red Alert…

    The first clue came at 10 a.m. During a gathering with sexual dissidents
    on the historic central park of this metropolis known as La Alameda Marcos
    referred to the police raid underway in Texcoco: If those above think
    that they are going to continue repressing us, they are mistaken. The
    Other Campaign is not just a movement of words. It is also a movement of
    action. He announced that a meeting with campaign adherents in downtown
    Mexico slated for six oclock would be suspended to deal with the conflict
    underway, less than an hour from Mexico City.

    After all, the compaeros and compaeras in the line of fire in Texcoco
    were the Other Campaign adherents of San Salvador Atenco, where, in 2001
    and 2002, they chased out the federal government with machete swords and
    defeated an international airport imposed on their farmlands. These are
    men and women that Marcos visited on April 25 and 26 and urged to come to
    the aid of their neighbors; to show the rest of Mexico how to stand up
    for, and win, its rights and autonomy. This morning the men and women of
    Atenco went to nearby Texcoco and, together with the local people, drove
    out the invading police. The government response: to send more police, and
    thus what the TV news called a riot (in fact, a police riot) ensued.

    Later, around noon, during a meeting with workers in Mexico Citys largest
    marketplace of La Merced, after listening to the complaints of the
    shopkeepers and others about how the governments national, state and
    local are trying to destroy the Mexican market to make room for Wal-Mart
    and similar shopping malls and supermarkets, Marcos again referred to the
    battle underway nearby, the attack on the small businesspeople of
    Texcoco, because they are ugly, because they are dirty, and if we scratch
    the surface we will find a municipal mayor that wants to put a Wal-Mart
    there. They know that the shopkeepers there sell the better product, that
    is better than a damn tomato that looks nice but is made of plastic like
    the ones sold in a supermarket.

    All afternoon long, as don Marcos of la Selva found himself in the deepest
    corners of the concrete jungle of Mexico City, the countrys two national
    TV stations the duopoly of Televisa and TV Azteca broadcast, live,
    horrid scenes of violence, teargas, blood and death from the market and
    highway of Texcoco. At various points during the live broadcasts, women
    armed with machete swords forced the TV reporters to stop their
    distortions, at one point chasing a previously macho Televisa reporter
    down stairs as the camera went dark.

    At almost six oclock, an hour away, the Zapatista Caravan, now at the
    Plaza of Three Cultures in Tlalteloco, received a phone call that a young
    boy had been assassinated by police in Texcoco. In a speech that will live
    in history from a plaza where, on October 2, 1968, more than a thousand
    young Mexicans were assassinated by the federal army for the crime of
    having demonstrated peacefully against a dictatorship of a government,
    Marcos spoke with rage and coherence. It was as if the dead themselves
    spoke through the voice of the spokesman of the Zapatista Army of National
    Liberation (EZLN, in its Spanish initials):

    “Years ago, here in the Plaza of the Three Cultures, there was a massacre.
    The government said that the army was attacked. Today the media,
    including the radio, dont ask what the public security forces are doing
    in San Salvador Atenco.

    He called upon all the Other Campaign adherents to organize blockades of
    highways and streets, and other actions, beginning at 8 a.m. tomorrow,
    Thursday, May 4.

    He announced that the guerrilla troops of the Zapatista Army of National
    Liberation were now on Red Alert; that the Good Government Councils of
    Chiapas were closed for tomorrow; that the events of the Other Campaign
    were cancelled until this situation is resolved; and he offered, if the
    people of San Salvador Atenco ask, to come physically to their aid
    tomorrow.

    Nobody doubts that the people of Atenco will call him and the rest of
    the Other Campaign into battle.

    In the Plaza of the Three Cultures where the dead still speak
    Insurgent Subcomandante Marcos called, again, for a “civil and peaceful”
    rebellion, starting tomorrow, Wednesday, the Fourth of May.

    The following day, the Fifth El Cinco de Mayo Mexico celebrates its
    victory against French colonialists. (And we, our reporters today released
    from jail after two long nights behind bars in Oaxaca, but still seeking
    justice for the crime of the Mexican State and the U.S. Embassy against
    press freedom now calls for a demonstration on Friday, Cinco de Mayo, in
    New York City, at 12:30 p.m., at the Mexican Consulate in New York City,
    27 East 39th Street – be there and let the world media capital know that
    Mexico is still a dictatorship ruling with violence and repression.)

    Thunderclouds are clapping above the central region of Mexico tonight, and
    from below, too. It’s a Red Alert. What happens from here on out is up to
    people like you, and maybe you, too.

    To be continued…:omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:34 am


  39. Thanx Nicki, this stuff is interesting, I’m still a new to a lot of this political theory stuff.

    Eek, look at this book list…all essential reading in my opinion. They don’t like feminists or sex, no big surprise there either.

    Actually, no true liberal would come up with the analogue of this list (”most dangerous conservative books”) because the free exchange of ideas, even those you don’t agree with, is essential to true liberalism, I think.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 10:35 am


  40. Crooks and Liars has a fascinating video of the Colbert speech. The camera is trained exclusively on Bush. You can definitely see he is pissed off.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 10:47 am


  41. Springer is talking about Central Park.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:48 am


  42. all essential reading in my opinion

    comment by susan joy

    :rofl2:

    couldn’t agree more. i’m taking the list with me to the library over the next year. there’s a lot of basic educating i need to do.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 10:50 am


  43. This piece by Dan Froomkin is spectacular

    Here’s a little bit:

    It’s worth looking at where Colbert was coming from. His show, of course, is a spin-off from Jon Stewart’s Daily Show on Comedy Central. Both Colbert and Stewart have risen to superstar status largely by calling (how can I put it here?) baloney on the Bush administration — and on the press corps that transmits said baloney without the appropriate skepticism or irony.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 10:54 am


  44. No one blogging. Good Bye!

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 10:55 am


  45. couldn’t agree more. i’m taking the list with me to the library over the next year. there’s a lot of basic educating i need to do.

    Me too…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 10:56 am


  46. Re: Colbert – seems like his performance doesn’t want to go away, doesn’t it? One remark I read yesterday stands out, and I can’t remember who said it. Regarding Colbert and whether or not he was funny: I don’t think Stephen was trying to be funny. He was trying to wound, and he did

    I agree and disagree…;I think he was trying to use political “humor” but not the “funniest kind.” This really made me think about humor in a big way, and its political uses…I really want to do research and write a book on the topic. Humor and how it has been used/can be used and its place in society fascinates me.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 11:00 am


  47. Thanks for that link isi. It’s possible that Bush just looks pissed off because he’s a white guy with no lips. My dad has the same sort of mouth and it naturally turns down making him look pissed off when he’s just neutral. But He definitely looked annoyed at a couple of points and many of the chuckles seemed perfunctory, not genuine.

    Comment by Kristapea — May 5, 2006 @ 11:05 am


  48. Video of Paula Zahn interviewing Ray McGovern.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 11:05 am


  49. Ugh, Paula’s so biased

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 11:17 am


  50. The Mexican language radio stations are apparently broadcasting stuff about unrest in Mexico and have their domestic listeners all pissed off..I was looking for some left sided media coverage in English..the Indymedia stuff was the first I have seen.

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 11:33 am


  51. good froomkin piece
    good history lesson, pj. i find it particularly interstng that Diaz took exile in France; how the heck did that happen, I wonder.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 11:57 am


  52. amy goodman is interviewing ray mcgovern right now.
    :peace:

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 12:13 pm


  53. You really have to wonder how they slipped up and let Ray McGovern into the audience, let alone allowed him to ask questions.

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 12:29 pm


  54. uh can you people download this?

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:30 pm


  55. hey, if you didn’t already know, we’re all being targeted by fbi surveillance again (remember the 1960s). smile for the camera folks, you’re on their list if you like animals, hate the war, report the truth, believe in peace, or protect the environment. This time around we’re not communist sympathizers, no this time we’re terrorist sympathizers. i dunno, the fbi isn’t very imaginative is it, they’re using the same old playbook. sheesh. amy goodman’s telling us all about it.

    surveillance of peace group

    surveillance of journalist

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 12:35 pm


  56. hey, if you didn’t already know, we’re all being targeted by fbi surveillance again (remember the 1960s). smile for the camera folks, you’re on their list if you like animals, hate the war, report the truth, believe in peace, or protect the environment. This time around we’re not communist sympathizers, no this time we’re terrorist sympathizers. i dunno, the fbi isn’t very imaginative is it, they’re using the same old playbook. sheesh. amy goodman’s telling us all about it.

    “You have nothing to worry about unless you’re a terrorist” Riiight. Now tell me who the real terrorists are.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 12:37 pm


  57. Sean, couldn’t download the link.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 12:38 pm


  58. Yep, Sean, listening to it now :peace:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 12:38 pm


  59. sean I can get it, but isn’t it the whole show? If so, I’ve already got it downloaded

    Healthcare in America:

    Paul Krugman
    Our Sick Society

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 12:38 pm


  60. well, what I mean is I can listen to it…don’t know how to actually download it to my computer’s hard drive

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 12:39 pm


  61. yeah whole show was just curious if people could download it i did the 1 day premium thing

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:41 pm


  62. right click sdave target as:doh: it let me download it!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:43 pm


  63. sean, your mp3 of marc’s show downloaded beautifully! i’m listening to it at this moment. thank you. :love:

    i couldn’t stay up for the whole show last night. now i get to hear it to the end. happiness.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 5, 2006 @ 12:46 pm


  64. Maybe cause I have a Mac I can’t do that…but it’s ok, just getting to listen to it is cool, I missed this one

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 12:50 pm


  65. lol thats great! we need someone with the full subscription to put that up every day!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:51 pm


  66. Here’s Krugman’s article from my library, for those of you who don’t have Times Select:

    Our Sick Society

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 12:53 pm


  67. Thanks fk. Great article by Krugman. I think he’s right in speculating that overwork, stress and lack of safety net may contribute to US’ poor health.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 12:55 pm


  68. ha yep thats why macs are stupid! only one mouse button stupid ass apple well i heard they are fixing that sooooooo well stupid to have only one button for so long!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 12:56 pm


  69. Hey, I like my Mac, I don’t get viruses or pop-up windows that I get on my PC, but I admit things work differently…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 12:59 pm


  70. but but i’m using a mac and i could listen to it………

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 1:00 pm


  71. Belated thanks Sean for TMMS download!

    Comment by Beat around the Bush — May 5, 2006 @ 1:04 pm


  72. :nod: he he i feel so evil right now!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 1:07 pm


  73. yeah, listening to it now. just don’t know how to actually download. (Marc going on about My Space and thinking that everyone on it is 12 years old)

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 1:09 pm


  74. well, we know not to eat yellow snow, but guess we’d better start steering clear of the white stuff, too.

    Scientists find pesticides in snow at national parks
    Analysis finds traces of chemicals linked to area ‘agricultural practices’

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 1:10 pm


  75. Yeah, Sean is da man. Thanx for the show, Mr. Teddy Bear

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 1:10 pm


  76. dane cook! woo hoo!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 1:13 pm


  77. :mad: :???::neutral: marc is picking on dane :evil:

    i think its because dane has a bit that is similar to a maron bit!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 1:15 pm


  78. “These may well be the cleanest snows anywhere in the U.S., so the exposure we receive in urban areas is probably higher,” said Dan Jaffe, a University of Washington atmospheric chemist who read the report.

    Yikes… time to re-examine those agricultural practices…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 1:15 pm


  79. we need someone with the full subscription to put that up every day!

    Actually, it would be better to use e-mail than to post it here, since if they catch on and fix it, it will no longer work. And if you look at the link, you really ought to be able to figure it out.

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 1:18 pm


  80. yep just replace the date!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 1:19 pm


  81. Yay! I figured out how to download it :doh:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 1:25 pm


  82. I’m sooo cool. although admittedly slow with certain computer things:omg:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 1:26 pm


  83. pj, hypothetically, if someone wanted to share their shows that are in theor i tunes how would they do that, hypothetically, and not get in trouble…. theoretically?

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 1:40 pm


  84. PS The last time I tried to email sean the show, the file was so huge that I couldn’t do it.

    PPS I do not have a “save as target” option

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 1:41 pm


  85. I JUST HEARD PORTER GOSS RESIGNED AS HEAD OF THE CIA

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 1:50 pm


  86. Well, if you’re using iTunes, there should be a place on your computer where they’re stored. Look in your iTunes options for the folder where it puts stuff, or just do a search for *.mp3 and you should come up with it.

    To transfer files, you can use an IM program like Yahoo or AIM, and there’s an option in there to transfer files with somebody you’re chatting with. You could also set up a private torrent, but that’s a little bit more difficult to explain.

    In your web browser, if you command-click on a link, don’t you get a menu that pops up, with an option in there like “save target as?”

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 1:54 pm


  87. Yeah, CNN has it as “breaking news.” I wonder what the real reason is?

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 1:55 pm


  88. Whoa! Looking for a link, the blogs are reporting it, but I’m trying to find an in-depth story…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 1:57 pm


  89. probably part of rovegate!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 2:00 pm


  90. Not much of a story here.

    WASHINGTON – CIA Director Porter Goss has resigned, President Bush said Friday.

    Bush called Goss’ tenure one of transition.

    “He has led ably,” Bush said from the Oval Office. “He has a five-year plan to increase the analysts and operatives.”

    Bush said that Goss, a former member of Congress, has “helped make this country a safer place.”

    “We’ve got to win the war on terror,” Bush said.

    Said Goss: “I would like to report to you that the agency (CIA) is back on a very even keel and sailing well.”

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 2:01 pm


  91. Well, the announcement of the resignation is on a friday so I guess the move isn’t for pr reasons.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 2:01 pm


  92. Porter Goss Resignation

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 2:05 pm


  93. bury the lead!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 2:06 pm


  94. Over at Atrios on Porter Goss.

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 2:32 pm


  95. Thanks, isi

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 2:41 pm


  96. Yowzah is right! prostitution – think of the security leaks/implications…..

    pj, i’ll play around with it this weekend. do i have to have the instant messaging thingys for the file sharing?

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 5, 2006 @ 2:46 pm


  97. Reading the article at TPM Muckraker I discovered this blog at Harper’s Magazine called Washington Babylon

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 3:05 pm


  98. ok well here last post before i head of to see the funny! later sheeple!

    HR 373: Federal Propaganda Prohibition Act
    This bill aims to curtail “government propaganda” by laying out criteria to define it, penalties for government officials who distribute it, and requiring government communications to reveal the source of their funding to their target audience.

    Current Status
    In the Government Reform Committee

    Cosponsors
    Originally sponsored by Rosa L. DeLauro (D-CT).

    Gary L. Ackerman (D-NY) Thomas H. Allen (D-ME)
    Brian Baird (D-WA) Earl Blumenauer (D-OR)
    Sherrod Brown (D-OH) G.K. Butterfield (D-NC)
    Lois Capps (D-CA) Michael Capuano (D-MA)
    Ed Case (D-HI) William Lacy (Bill) Clay, Jr. (D-MO)
    John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD)
    Danny Davis (D-IL) Peter A. DeFazio (D-OR)
    William D. Delahunt (D-MA) Rahm Emanuel (D-IL)
    Anna G. Eshoo (D-CA) Lane Evans (D-IL)
    Sam Farr (D-CA) Barney Frank (D-MA)
    Charles A. Gonzalez (D-TX) Bart Gordon (D-TN)
    Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL)
    Maurice D. Hinchey (D-NY) Jay Inslee (D-WA)
    Patrick J. Kennedy (D-RI) Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI)
    James R. Langevin (D-RI) Tom Lantos (D-CA)
    Richard R. Larsen (D-WA) Barbara Lee (D-CA)
    Sander M. Levin (D-MI) Stephen Lynch (D-MA)
    Carolyn B. Maloney (D-NY) Edward J. Markey (D-MA)
    Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) Betty McCollum (D-MN)
    Jim McDermott (D-WA) James P. McGovern (D-MA)
    Mike Michaud (D-ME) George Miller (D-CA)
    Alan Mollohan (D-WV) James P. Moran (D-VA)
    Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) Richard E. Neal (D-MA)
    Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) John W. Olver (D-MA)
    Major R. Owens (D-NY) Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ)
    Bill Pascrell, Jr. (D-NJ) David E. Price (D-NC)
    Bernard Sanders (I-VT) Janice Schakowsky (D-IL)
    David Scott (D-GA) Jose E. Serrano (D-NY)
    Ike Skelton (D-MO) Louise McIntosh Slaughter (D-NY)
    Hilda A. Solis (D-CA) Fortney (Pete) Stark (D-CA)
    Gene Taylor (D-MS) John Tierney (D-MA)
    Mark Udall (D-CO) Diane E. Watson (D-CA)
    Henry A. Waxman (D-CA) Robert Wexler (D-FL)
    Lynn C. Woolsey (D-CA)

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:16 pm


  99. heads up buddies:

    Comment by roxieseattle — May 5, 2006 @ 3:17 pm


  100. HEADS UP BUDDIES:

    SORRY ABOUT THAT — MARC’S COMEDY CENTRAL SHOW IS BEING REPEATED TONIGHT AT 5 PM PACIFIC ACCORDING TO MY CABLE SCHEDULE (WHICH ISN’T ALWAYS RIGHT) THEY MUST BE DOING THIS FOR ALL OF US WHO CAN’T CATCH HIM TONIGHT AT UCB THEATER.

    Comment by roxieseattle — May 5, 2006 @ 3:20 pm


  101. 101!

    2 Live Crew – One & One Lyrics

    One and one, we`re having some fun,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Two and two, I took of my shoes,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Three and three, she undressed me,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Four and four, we f**ked on the floor,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Five and five, I put up her thights,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Six and six, the bit*h sucked my dick,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Seven and seven, we went to heaven,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Eight and eight, she masturbated,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Nine and nine, she licked my ass,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Ten and ten, the bit*h did it again,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Get off my ass, bit*h
    Get your face out of my ass, motherf**ker
    Get off my as* bit*h!
    GET YOUR FACE OUT MY AS* MOTHERF**KER!!
    “Haaa”
    “But it hurts so good”
    “Haaa”
    Get laid, get F**KED!
    “Haaa”
    “But it hurts so good”
    (repeated `till the end of the track)

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:22 pm


  102. Sean :fire:

    :banana: Have Fun Tonight!

    :peace:

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 3:22 pm


  103. Krista and quietgirl: Re post #101. Take care of yourselves. :omg:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 5, 2006 @ 3:35 pm


  104. Comment by Kevin M — May 5, 2006 @ 3:35 pm

    :rofl2: :rofl2:

    Kevin, you crack me up!

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 3:38 pm


  105. man nobody NOBODY has anything to worry about from me! im gentler than a gentle giant!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:38 pm


  106. :neutral: kevins a jerk!:growl:

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:40 pm


  107. And what better way to start the weekend than with another nose-holding installment of…

    CRUELLA WATCH! :omg:

    From Thursday’s St Petersburg Times. Apparently the Repigs are serious about knocking Harris out of the race for Bill Nelson’s Senate seat.

    http://tinyurl.com/o59y3

    Bense can’t declare his candidacy, if he decides to, until the Legislature wraps up business, which should be sometime today.

    I’ll post if I hear anything at a reasonable hour, as opposed to the drunken stupor I’m planning for later.
    :alc:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 5, 2006 @ 3:42 pm


  108. kevins a jerk!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:40 pm

    Dude, chill. It’s a joke. Enjoy the show. :grin:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 5, 2006 @ 3:44 pm


  109. :mad: well its not funny man and you know what im gonna come to where yuou are and kick your friggin ass man!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:45 pm


  110. i will go fucking angus mcfarqur on your ass!:rofl2:

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:46 pm


  111. Patrick Kennedy statement

    Comment by isi — May 5, 2006 @ 3:46 pm


  112. :sheep: And here’s a little something for the conspiracy theorists who are wondering why Porter Goss stepped down so suddenly. Apparently he has ties to the Duke Cunningham prostitution mess.

    http://tinyurl.com/lqxut

    Above is where the link would be if I could get it to paste proerly. Sean is right. I suck.

    Comment by Kevin M — May 5, 2006 @ 3:50 pm


  113. 7 hours 4 hour drive plus traffic i must go now!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 3:59 pm


  114. do i have to have the instant messaging thingys for the file sharing?

    Yeah, you and the person you’re sharing with would need to have the same client installed.

    Comment by pjsauter — May 5, 2006 @ 4:19 pm


  115. “My Sirota!”

    David Sirota: Despite the Hostile Takeover of the Party, He’s Still Shackled to the Democrats

    By CORPORATE CRIME REPORTER

    Al Gore, Thomas Frank, George Lakoff, Arianna Huffington, William Greider, and Jim Hightower all have nice things to say about David Sirota’s new book: Hostile Takeover: How Big Money & Corruption Conquered Our Government–and How We Take It Back (Crown, 2006).

    With corruption stories in the mainstream press almost daily, this book should be a best seller.

    Sirota documents the hostile takeover by big business of the country on every major issue that matters to every American.

    He documents myths–jury awards and lawsuit costs to the economy are out of control–lies–America can’t afford health care coverage because it is too expensive–pathological lies–our government tries to stop companies from shipping jobs overseas–and fairy tales–companies are forced to pay higher taxes in the United States than in most other industrialized countries…
    http://www.co...terpunch.org

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 4:20 pm


  116. Viva Zapata!
    Viva Poncho Villa!

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 4:21 pm


  117. Left Strike at Indian Airports

    The Charmless Inconveniences of the Bourgeoisie

    By VIJAY PRASHAD

    The television reports were perhaps just about as bad as the grumbles of my bourgeois friends. They complained about the inconvenience of the strike, the long waits experienced by passengers, the garbage strewn in and around the toilets, the barricades of the angry workers, and what not. For them, the issue was simple: the Indian airports are undercapitalized and rife with all manner of corruption, and the only way to “modernize” them is to privatize them. Few dispute the lack of capital in the basic infrastructure of the Indian State, except that there might be a question about where to spend the surplus–toward the well-being of the many millions in the rural areas, or for the few million who ride aircrafts. Few would also dispute the issue of corruption, for the Airport Authority of India is not an unblemished State entity that wins admirers from Right or Left. To reduce the idea of modernization to privatization is not anomalous to India; indeed it is the root premise of neo-liberal thought. The Left (that is, the Communists) and the trade unions took a strong position against the privatization of the two fiscally sound airports (Mumbai and Delhi) on several grounds–to wit, that the private firms would not be accountable to many of the State’s laws, that the private firms would not honor the long years of service of more than half of the employees (who are over 35), that the private firms will leverage these national assets to their own ends rather than toward those of the employees or of the people at large. It was the basic showdown between the neo-liberals and the socialists, with the former arguing that any curtailment of their agenda was anti-modern and the latter arguing that any fire-sale of national assets makes of mockery of the broad goals of modernity (which should, in theory, include the idea of popular, rather, than corporate sovereignty)…
    http://www.co...5052006.html

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 4:34 pm


  118. ZNet | Culture

    Teaching The “gentle Arts Of The Spirit” In The Age Of Multinational Capitalism
    by Benjamin Carson; May 05, 2006

    A few years ago a seasoned faculty member at the university at which I was a graduate student complained to me in the hallway that the quality of his students has seriously declined over the thirty years he has been teaching. One of only two openly conservative members of the department, he went on to blame the sixties, arguing, in effect, that Crosby, Stills and Nash and the hippies mucked everything up-that the 1950s were, pedagogically speaking, pre-lapsarian bliss. Not sufficiently prepared to offer an educated response, I simply nodded and collegially shared in his apparent despair. To be fair, though, as an un-ripened TA with fewer than four years of teaching behind me, I, too, was beginning to wonder how long I could endure the degree of apathy I encountered in the classroom six times a week. So, while Dr. X starred at his shoes and shook his head with academic fatigue, I certainly sympathized. This brief encounter got me thinking. While I agreed with Dr. X that my students were indeed apathetic-even, at times, seemingly anesthetized-I was more reluctant than he to blame Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters or the likes of Abby Hoffman. Are the hippies and all of the groovy pedagogies they’ve engendered since Woodstock really to blame? Has the Left and its liberal values sponsored intellectual laxity and, in the name of egalitarianism, put a hit on meritocracy? Is it really that simple?  [...]
    http://www.zm...ectionID=105

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 4:44 pm


  119. Those jerks from the Conservative anti-intellectuals put “Mein Kampf” on the short list–among some terrific books. I have probably read half of the books on the list. Maybe a little less. What an exercize in stupidity!
    :omg: :fu:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 4:55 pm


  120. The 9/11 lanners cannot be prosecuted because Rumsfeld ordered their torture. Watch your ass, you old fuck. Go overseas and get arrested for war crimes, Rumsfeld.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 4:59 pm


  121. Decisions.. decisions .. My cousin had some bill collector serve him papers to repossess his house so In the process of discussing if I had the 400 bucks to loan him so he could go see the lawyer I came to the conclusion that that was almost 2 tons of ANFO..I wonder what would happen if the finance rip off industry suddenly started having their buildings lifting off their foundations and landing in the street. ?? I wonder what Sean is doing early next week ?

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 5:07 pm


  122. I went back to the list and found that I had read, or started to read, six of the ten books on the list. Mein Kampf and Mao’s quotations were put on as boilerplate–especially the Austrian convict’s. There are a lot more books that should have made the list. (Why the fuck is beyond Good and Evil on the list? Because it went beyond the west’s narrow conception of morals?) Good stuff on the honorable mentions list.
    :omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 5:08 pm


  123. Thought crimes! Oh shit! Remember Moussaui! :omg: “Man wrote on blog about blowing up financial lendors.”

    Randi is telling the truth now! Moussaui show trial! 9/11 planners cannot stand trial because they were tortured.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 5:12 pm


  124. Boilerplate refers to any text that is or can be reused in new contexts or applications without being changed much from the original. Many programmers often use the term “boilerplate code,” and a legal boilerplate is a standard provision in a contract.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 5:17 pm


  125. If Moussaui was such an unimportant player, why was the sentence so harsh? He will get no sympathy in this backward nation, though.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 5:19 pm


  126. 1 9 1 6
    The Punitive Expedition Against Pancho Villa
    Boilerplate is reunited with veterans of the Spanish-American War and saves the life of one of Mexico’s greatest figures.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 5:23 pm


  127. The speed at which they identified the 911 conspirators and the co conspirators was almost as fast as they produced the patriot act.. This had to be a set up..

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 5:26 pm


  128. Oh no! The thought criminal is posting. He does not buy the party line about 9/11. Stop him BY ANY MEANS…
    :omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 5, 2006 @ 5:29 pm


  129. Lets see what happens with this..

    Abdule said to relay the following info.. The “shipment” is on TTLX 3121, TTLX 3319 and TTLX 3405 shipped out on LBSLKR yesterday at 10:30 am. quanity was 12 units. Est DOA is on 5-9. contact BNSF with any questions. WB NO. BNSF-1099-0138-0199

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 5:45 pm


  130. Now if DHS is really listening we should get some feedback from BNSF car/order tracking shortly.

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 5:51 pm


  131. ok, what did I miss? Ok, ok, give me a few minutes to read all of it…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 6:19 pm


  132. If, as Benjamin Barber asserts, the “fundamental task of education in a democracy is what Tocqueville once called the apprenticeship of liberty: learning to be free,” then educators need to begin to re-think what freedom means, just what it means to learn to be free, and what it means to teach freedom in the age of multi-national capitalism (357). In any case, trying to reverse the epidemic of blasé attitudes among students without looking to the culture in which they live and the economic system which underwrites it, and which our politicians-both Liberal and Conservative-uncritically endorse, is like pointing the fire extinguisher at the smoke while ignoring the fire. It’s time to pay more attention to the fire, which at the moment is not unlike an inferno.

    In teacher’s training classes they stress the importance of training students to use critical thinking skills. The “being free” business this article mentions rests on this. This is the real basis of a liberal education, and this is what the conservative movement is so against. If you think critically you can’t help but wanting freedom, and it will become obvious what it really is.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 6:32 pm


  133. Programs like No Child Left Behind are intended to make school districts teach to the test rather than teach anything so the children with the most needs get farther and farther behind, the conservatives will say it was because the teachers failed and that the schools need to be privatized. The stupids then believe this C*.. Negroponte had some good ideas.

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 6:43 pm


  134. 117 miles to go! ok uh fred dude now im gonna get arested man thats just as bad as when a truck driver i was with at the arch in st louis told the security gaurd i had a gun in my camera bag!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 6:45 pm


  135. Sean: Do you have a corrosives permit ??

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 6:47 pm


  136. nope i let it expire!:tongue:
    no more haz-mat for me!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 6:49 pm


  137. ok well im off!:fire:firetruck!!!!! or red semi! close enough john kerry stole my shoe!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 6:50 pm


  138. Well the BNSF doesn’t think my WB number is a WB number.. I wonder how long it will take DHS to get that far. ??.. They must have changed the system since I bought some stuff from ADM.

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 6:50 pm


  139. Programs like No Child Left Behind are intended to make school districts teach to the test rather than teach anything so the children with the most needs get farther and farther behind, the conservatives will say it was because the teachers failed and that the schools need to be privatized. The stupids then believe this C*.. Negroponte had some good ideas.

    How to teach children and what to teach them: handed down to teachers from political sources. Teachers just basically follow orders nowadays. But if students fail, who’s to blame? Not the people who are resonsible for the programs, nope. And the press and media is complicit in this misunderstanding, and the only person I know who writes with some understanding of the situation is Bob Somerby, unless I’m missing some good writing out there….

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 6:53 pm


  140. :peace: seancrest out!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 6:53 pm


  141. ok screw it im rounding down since the whole AND RUNNING thing was based on NWA 100 miles and running later sheeple!:fire:

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 6:55 pm


  142. Bye Sean ….have fun tonight and report back! :jesus:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 6:57 pm


  143. I worked with two teachers to try and get our board of education back from some conservative loons. The teachers themselves know whats going on and so does the NEA. Like I said the stupids are well.. stupid…

    Comment by fred — May 5, 2006 @ 7:00 pm


  144. I worked with two teachers to try and get our board of education back from some conservative loons. The teachers themselves know whats going on and so does the NEA. Like I said the stupids are well.. stupid…

    Unfortunately a lot of voters out there fall into that category – because I seem to hear a lot of that “teachers are evil” sentiment these days. By people who don’t have a clue. I wish you luck in fighting those loonies.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 5, 2006 @ 7:09 pm


  145. 43 miles! 2 hours dont know if i will make it stupid LA traffic!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 5, 2006 @ 9:05 pm


  146. The blog is sleeping.:omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 12:25 am


  147. three minutes to Marc

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 12:59 am


  148. The Storm over “the Israel Lobby”

    By JOHN MEARSHEIMER and STEPHEN WALT

    We wrote ‘The Israel Lobby’ in order to begin a discussion of a subject that had become difficult to address openly in the United States (London Review of Books, 23 March). We knew it was likely to generate a strong reaction, and we are not surprised that some of our critics have chosen to attack our characters or misrepresent our arguments. We have also been gratified by the many positive responses we have received, and by the thoughtful commentary that has begun to emerge in the media and the blogosphere. It is clear that many people–including Jews and Israelis–believe that it is time to have a candid discussion of the US relationship with Israel. It is in that spirit that we engage with the letters responding to our article. We confine ourselves here to the most salient points of dispute.

    One of the most prominent charges against us is that we see the lobby as a well-organised Jewish conspiracy. Jeffrey Herf and Andrei Markovits, for example, begin by noting that ‘accusations of powerful Jews behind the scenes are part of the most dangerous traditions of modern anti-semitism’ (Letters, 6 April ). It is a tradition we deplore and that we explicitly rejected in our article. Instead, we described the lobby as a loose coalition of individuals and organisations without a central headquarters. It includes gentiles as well as Jews, and many Jewish-Americans do not endorse its positions on some or all issues. Most important, the Israel lobby is not a secret, clandestine cabal; on the contrary, it is openly engaged in interest-group politics and there is nothing conspiratorial or illicit about its behaviour. Thus, we can easily believe that Daniel Pipes has never ‘taken orders’ from the lobby, because the Leninist caricature of the lobby depicted in his letter is one that we clearly dismissed. Readers will also note that Pipes does not deny that his organisation, Campus Watch, was created in order to monitor what academics say, write and teach, so as to discourage them from engaging in open discourse about the Middle East.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:05 am


  149. there’s the stream, holy shit that was not easy to get

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:12 am


  150. annnnd…it’s sports! :omg:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:12 am


  151. final segment coming up after this, oh alright if you insist… :neutral:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:16 am


  152. Ichiro just broke an 0 for 16 slump with a triple.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:20 am


  153. Go Mighty Ducks!

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:21 am


  154. here’s what I think of the Mighty Ducks :fu:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:22 am


  155. I like the jingle that Remax uses for their ad. Any musicolologists out there who can explain the attraction?

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:23 am


  156. Marc is on!

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:23 am


  157. Cinco de Mayo being explained, it’s a minor holiday. I think it’s a bigger holiday along the border communities, in Mexico City when I stayed there it was barely acknowledged

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:25 am


  158. still there…Nicki…anyone? Too many commercials :(

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:34 am


  159. :(

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:43 am


  160. I’m on the ghetto blog…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:44 am


  161. I went over to the maron blog. Too snooty there.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:44 am


  162. I’m here, going back and forth between the two blogs.

    :peace:

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 1:45 am


  163. yeah, I just checked it. I don’t even have a nickname there (I don’t think)

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:46 am


  164. What’s your moniker on the maron blog?

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:47 am


  165. oh yes, wait, I’m SueCartoon. But should I bother, I don’t know… Porter Goss being discussed, CIA’s morale is destroyed.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:47 am


  166. don’t think I’ve ever posted there, or if I have it’s a long time ago

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:48 am


  167. Hope Sean made it to the show.

    Maybe we’ll get a picture of :rabbi: , Sean and the :fire:

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 1:49 am


  168. wheel of anger!

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:50 am


  169. Isi, can you explain to me what the firetruck means? I’m relatively new here, that one keeps flying over my head :tongue:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:53 am


  170. that page (Marc Maron) is loading verrrry slowly, oh well

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:56 am


  171. there will be a picture of me and the :rabbi:

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 2:01 am


  172. yay, Sean!

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:02 am


  173. :banana: Hey Sean!

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 2:04 am


  174. Susan, Sean would probably be better at explaining it than me.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 2:05 am


  175. LOL, ok

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:08 am


  176. john kerry stole my shoe! firetruck!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 2:13 am


  177. The truth is, I hate to admit it, but I missed the origin of the firetruck. I think it may have something to do with interviewing this guy on the street, and he’s saying “Talk about the issues, we’re fighting for our lives here.” And, in the background a firetruck is blaring by.

    Me = :sammy: (stupid)

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 2:13 am


  178. :banana: john kerry bad bad john kerry dum dum john kerry kills babies!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 2:14 am


  179. that makes some kind of sense, ok…:fire:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:17 am


  180. ok well here this ought to clear things up!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 2:22 am


  181. I don’t know what firetruck means either. It was explained to me once; but it did not stick. Hell. I finally grasped the meaning of the phrase “Jump the Shark”.

    Boilerplate, anyone?

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:22 am


  182. marc the shark! yay with cheese please! land of the free lunch jose can you see? speak english!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 2:24 am


  183. John Kerry and firetruck. Yes, they go naturally together, of course, why didn’t I think of that :tongue: :mrgreen:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:24 am


  184. Listened to the “firetruck” clip. God, I miss Morning Sedition.:omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:24 am


  185. Radio Haliburton where the truth hurts :)

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:26 am


  186. I lost the Goddamn stream!

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:27 am


  187. I accidently hit the mute button.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:29 am


  188. I miss it too! MMM weird vision of Marc with tights. They’re not tights, surrrre Marc :) Buttless pants, woohooooo

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:29 am


  189. I miss Marc’s dream diary

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:40 am


  190. Johnny K Street is wayy cool, yeah

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:42 am


  191. I dig Johnny K Street. I need a best of Morning Sedition CD.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:43 am


  192. Pundicunt!:omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:44 am


  193. Hey, if the name fits…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:46 am


  194. Colbert is getting fried by the pundits. This is humorous. But boilerplate. Dog of the Week!

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:46 am


  195. If the Dems cant win back the House and Senate, it is because that party is lame.

    Schweitzer.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:48 am


  196. What is aspertame?

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:49 am


  197. retardation is good for this country. Sheesh. It’s a bigger problem than just asparatine

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:49 am


  198. it’s an artificial sweetener in lots of foods, diet soda especially…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:50 am


  199. grrrr democrats, don’t get me started. I’m so disgusted

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:51 am


  200. Shut Up. Stephanie!:fu:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:53 am


  201. What do cigars have to do with aspertame?

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 2:56 am


  202. Man, two hours is gone already? :(

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:57 am


  203. I didn’t catch that about cigars. Nothing that I know :doh:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 2:58 am


  204. I can’t stand Paul Reickhoff.
    :fu:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 3:01 am


  205. computer froze for a minute :omg:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:03 am


  206. marc said that once the goldfuck being gone is figured out he should be on the xm!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 3:04 am


  207. oh wow, I must be at least 50 percent ghetto, let me see here…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:05 am


  208. I think that goldfuck killed Morning Sed. to make AAR profitable. There were people who backed his decision.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 3:07 am


  209. so Sean, how many Morning Seditionists were at the Marc event? That is so very cool

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:08 am


  210. Goldschizzle. Yuppie mo’fo. Friend of Imus. Conspirator. Enemy.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:10 am


  211. lets see there was me and me and uh me quietgirl couldnt make it and krista uh she couldnt either i barely made it stupid gas station guy wouldnt take 20 bucks to let me park then he wouldnt take 40 then i left and went and parked on this side street hey damn it no i will write about it tomorrow! must go sleep!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 3:23 am


  212. kay, goodnight Seanie Sean, glad you got to see him anyway :smile:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:26 am


  213. Goldberg is a friend of Michael Lerner. I trash goldfuck as much as the next person, but I really don’t know what to think about him.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 3:37 am


  214. evil hookers everywhere i look! if only svetlana was here!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 3:37 am


  215. Sleep calls Suzie, I actually have to work a few hours tomorrow (or today is more like it) Goodnight seditionists s :sheep:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:37 am


  216. Night Nicki and Seanie :tongue:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 3:38 am


  217. Imus got good play when he trashed Clinton. :omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 3:38 am


  218. stupid music exec music execs have absolutely no vision its like mr said they havent evolved beyond salamanders or something cant remember exactly unless that is what he said maybe? i dont know! ok well im gonna listen to some maron and go sleep sleep later sheeple!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 3:39 am


  219. come on,

    move over to Saturday!

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 7:27 am


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