Morning Seditionists

May 6, 2006

Saturday Open Thread

Filed under: Whatever — pjsauter @ 5:00 am

Well, me and da wife are up in Kingston at this very moment, sleeping in a dorm room at Queens University (yes, it’s true, I don’t actually get up at five every morning to get these posts started). I don’t know if we’ll have Internet access or not (we did last year, but we’re in a new building this year), so if you don’t see me around the next couple of days, that’s why. Have a good weekend.

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  1. Afternoon / evening / morning :yinyang:

    Yeah, first!

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 5:03 am


  2. Keeping the lights on. :menorah:

    Online
    Current users online: 1

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 5:05 am


  3. Let’s Impeach the President: Neil Young

    Comment by Travis — May 6, 2006 @ 6:20 am


  4. If I could, I would, man.

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 6:36 am


  5. Thanks, Travis.

    Great link.

    :bow:

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 6:50 am


  6. morning kk, trav. looks like there was a party around here last night!

    PJ, have fun in your dorm with the Missus! Do you regress to college days escapades? :cool:

    The Canadian gosslings made it through another night – yay! They turned from yellow to a dark brown yesterday. Boy, do they grow fast.
    They practically double in size every day.

    ABC news last night linked the Foggo/prositution scandal to Goss, but the link to Goss was that he used horrible judgment hiring Foggo or other staffer. Goss is said to be clean with the hookerfest. We’ll see if that’s the extent of it.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:12 am


  7. oh merde

    10 U.S. Troops Die in Afghan Copter Crash

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:15 am


  8. Good morning all :joe: Hope you’re having fun, PJ, don’t worry about us if you disappear for a short while. Just enjoy.

    Oh jeez, re: the copter crash, what a thing to wake up hearing about first thing :(

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 8:21 am


  9. Oh Farmerkat, there are some goslings who were just hatched recently around here also, on one of my neighbor’s property, they must all be on the same schedule! They’re so yellow and fuzzy :grin:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 8:24 am


  10. hey susan. can’t wait for the Sean Report this weekend.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:26 am


  11. yeah, Sean got to see Marc and had some pictures taken he says…but he was too tired last night to give a lot of details. I’m sure he’ll give us all a report today sometime, though!

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 8:29 am


  12. Interesting information in Maureen Dowd’s column today.

    … Ms. McCarthy, the C.I.A. officer ousted by Porter Goss, worked in the agency’s inspector general’s office. That office — charged with investigating transgressions by C.I.A. employees, like questionable dealings with defense contractors in hotel rooms, with poker and perhaps even pajama games — is now examining Mr. Foggo’s dealings with Mr. Wilkes.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 8:34 am


  13. The Fox News Effect

    We report. You decide. Does President Bush owe his controversial win in 2000 to Fox cable television news?

    Yes, suggest data collected by two economists who found that the growth of the Fox cable news network in the late 1990s may have significantly boosted the Republican Party’s share of the vote in the 2000 election and delivered Florida to Bush.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:35 am


  14. The Fox News Effect It certainly didn’t hurt the Republicans, that’s for sure…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 8:47 am


  15. Going Nukular
    By William Rivers Pitt
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective
    OK, I’m freaking out.

    ********

    love this from the Dowd piece, isi:

    The benign but still disturbing explanation for his abrupt termination — given all the home videos that Qaeda terrorists are brazenly sending out — is that he and John “10 Fingers” Negroponte were fighting over access to W., like teenage girls over the prom king. (Wasn’t Mr. Negroponte’s position created to quell turf battles?)

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:51 am


  16. when you look at faux new’s numbers compared to cnn and msnbc it’s scary, really. the bias is smelling up this country.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:53 am


  17. still no greetings with flowers and sweets, sad:

    British Helicopter Crashes in Iraq
    A British military helicopter crashed in the southern city of Basra on Saturday, and a crowd of Iraqis cheered and threw stones at British forces who raced to the scene to seal off the area.

    Police Capt. Mushtaq Khazim said the helicopter crashed into a two-story house in a residential area of the city, apparently after being hit by a missile or a rocket. He said the four-member crew had died but that no Iraqis were hurt on the ground.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 8:55 am


  18. The last time I saw any ratings numbers FAUX news was in last place among the cable news channels. Of course the cable news has one tenth the ratings of Sesame Street

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 9:04 am


  19. US helicopter crashes in Afghanistan.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 9:05 am


  20. One thing you have to be careful of is Googling “Cable news ratings” and we see FAUX was the highest rated for February.. Then you read the ratings and it turns out they are the ratings for Feb 2003.

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 9:42 am


  21. Was the word firetruck first used on MS after an interview of a man on the street of the DNC in Boston, who said “Talk about the issues, we’re fighting for our lives here”, and in the background a firetruck was roaring by?

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 9:52 am


  22. I can’t remember about the origins of Firetruck..

    Anyone see anything about why RawStory is off line ??

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 9:56 am


  23. How will I live without PJ’s Sunday morning rundown???

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 9:57 am


  24. Raw Story is on line again.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 10:03 am


  25. When I type the URL http://www.rawstory.com I get

    Currently awaiting resolution….

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 10:06 am


  26. I noted from last nights posts that Sean sort of struck out with the girls though… Once a trucker always a trucker. Is there some stigma attached ??

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 10:21 am


  27. I put Dowd up on RIPCoco….

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 10:23 am


  28. The Endangered Visigoth

    The Rise and Possible Fall of Richard Pombo

    By JEFFREY ST. CLAIR

    The banner stretched across the entrance to the Crobar – a trendy New York nightclub -read, “Welcome to the Pombo-Palooza”. At the door, members of the Rockettes handed out cowboy hats to the A-list invited guests. Inside, a model clad in rhinestone hot pants and a cleavage-enhancing top that might have chastened a Hooters waitress rode a mechanical bull. On the stage, the Charlie Daniels Band cut loose with fiddle-driven Southern funk as lobbyists and lawyers, politicians and tycoons danced the two-step and drank iridescent blue martinis.

    Such was the scene in 2003 at Congressman Rick Pombo’s coming out party. The young legislator from Tracy, California had just been appointed the new chairman of the House Resources Committee. At 42, he was the youngest chairman on Capital Hill. Bush couldn’t attend the hoedown but he sent a herogram congratulating the congressman he calls “Marlboro Man”.

    That night money flowed faster than champagne. Before Charlie Daniels had finished his first set, Pombo’s campaign war chest had been fattened by more than $250,000, courtesy of an assortment of real estate barons, oil and mining company executives, timber lobbyists and casino operators. Many of these contributors would turn out to be the cream of lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s clientele. (Abramoff now faces many years in prison for his corrupt dealings.) And that was just their opening bid. Over the next two and half years, Pombo’s political accounts would be fattened by an additional $2 million from an ever-expanding retinue of lobbyists, real estate barons and corporate PACs. . .
    http://www.co...terpunch.org

    Go down, M’F**ker!:fu:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 10:35 am


  29. http://www.ho...e.gov/pombo/

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 10:48 am


  30. SEATTLE — Visitors to the Johnston Ridge Observatory at the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument can look forward to a spectacular view of a hulking slab of rock that’s rapidly growing in the volcano’s crater.

    It’s jutting up from one of seven lobes of fresh volcanic rock that have been pushing their way through the surface of the crater since October 2004.

    The fin-shaped mass is about 300 feet tall and growing 4 feet to 5 feet a day, said Dan Dzurisin, a geologist at the U.S. Geological Survey.

    The observatory opened for the summer season on Friday. The day dawned with clear blue skies over the southwest Washington volcano, with snow-covered features within the crater easily visible from a Web camera at Johnston Ridge. The National Weather Service said clouds should move in on Saturday, with rain likely Sunday.

    The rock in the crater began growing last November, steadily moving west and pushing rock and other debris out of its way as it goes.

    http://tinyurl.com/zlgzy

    ——————–

    Should Nicki be living in fear ??

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 10:51 am


  31. eek

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 10:56 am


  32. The Thought Criminal is using natural phenomena for terrorist purposes! Quick! Someone notify Homeland Security.
    :omg:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:00 am


  33. Well i have to go talk with my cousin about his bill collector problem.. I guess these ass holes can do this legal stuff by remote control from New Jersey of all places.. I wonder if Sean plans on being in New Jersey anytime soon. ??

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 11:00 am


  34. :banana: TWO MILE MARKER REACHED :banana:

    thanks melina for putting up dowd on ripco ….never know how to link those premium articles. did you get the bird home, by the way?

    fred, i’ll have to go back and double check the stats I saw on faux, but i believe they were current. hmmmm

    :fire: John Kerry is coming to put out the fire and save us. as I remember it came from the skit, “John Kerry stole my shoe”, “Firetruck” (the swift boat parody)…. then it became John Kerry is coming to save the day. PJ may still have the link for it.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 11:02 am


  35. Aw yes the thought police.. we need to get PJ to see how may extra hits from DHS we got last night looking for that BNSF Waybill.

    Comment by fred — May 6, 2006 @ 11:04 am


  36. oh, fred, i rmemeber the stats i saw were from following that Reuters link you posted with the misleading headline about faux being a trusted source.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 11:06 am


  37. I admit it, I’m a thought criminal. Come and get me. Damn I can’t control these thoughts :omg:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:06 am


  38. How Cops Break Down the Innocent

    The Tragedy of False Confessions

    By RALPH NADER

    There are enough injustices in our society without innocent people being convicted of heinous crimes. Yet, it turns out that happens with far greater frequency than we ever imagined. DNA testing, a relatively new phenomenon, has already exonerated 175 people convicted of crimes.

    Then the more amazing part: one fifth of them had confessed to the crime! And when it comes to false confessions, this is only the tip of the iceberg. One study by two law professors documented 125 proven false confessions – these include people exonerated before or during trial. And these are only the cases we /know/ about.

    Why would anyone confess to a crime he didn’t commit? A new website/blog, created by my sometime co-author Alan Hirsch, notes many reasons. But, Hirsch says, “In most cases, it’s a function of interrogation tactics geared to break people down. These tactics succeed too well : they break down innocent people.”[...]

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:07 am


  39. Alright, that clarifies the connection between :fire: and John Kerry. I was somewhat baffled for awhile :idea:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:09 am


  40. Didn’t Sean post the FireTruck clip on yesterday’s blog?
    What is the big Deal about it, anyway? I remember somebody on the ancient blog named AMV, or something, used to post it and then vanish.
    I used to think that it had something to do with the old schoolboy joke, “What word starts with “f” and ends in “uck”?
    :nixon: :fire:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:13 am


  41. NYC cops can be like Gitmo guards from what I understand – though I’m lucky I’ve never had to go through that kind of interregation, I’ve heard horror stories from people.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:14 am


  42. In fact, I could damn near walk to Mt. St. Helen’s where I sit.:omg: Maybe a forty minute drive.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:15 am


  43. I just needed to know. It’s all solved now. :shock: ca:shock:I can sleep in peace. Now on to the next schoolboy joke. :tongue:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:17 am


  44. Just refuse to speak when they try to interrogate you. Usually, people are so scared that they run their mouths–aand confess to bullshit. I knew a cop in Olympia, WA who confessed to running a satanic child molestation racket. It was total fabrication, But he got sentenced. (I do believe that it has since been overturned.)

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:18 am


  45. Wow, that must be some gorgeous view. I need to visit that area some day. Do you remember when it erupted around 1980?

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:19 am


  46. A site that exposes false confessions:
    http://www.tr...essions.com/

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:22 am


  47. Kat- the thing is that we cant link them…you can only access the premium if you have a homoe deliver subscription or a web subscription….I would think that if you buy the paper they should have a daily code or something so you can also access that day’s at least, but no.
    Thats why I post it and send it out to some people who dont look at my blog.
    Below Dowd is the birdy update along with all sorts of other silly stuff.
    They are still being hand fed formula so I visit them to imprint and bond with them. I go all the time…and they are growing so fast. They actually have feathers now….if you scroll back there are pics of them with mostly down;-)….Tis the season over there and there are so may cute babies. Its heaven…though, when they are all crying for dinner its like a nightmare.
    Only two people there do the feeding of babies so sometimes it gets crazy. Its incredible survival instinct when you think that the mother bird has to get enough food for a whole nest of them in the wild and they will not shut up until she does. I guess its not so different from having a human infant…but its been a long time for me;-)
    Anyway, I have 2 birds this time…one and a spare…and they are both the green cheeked conures but one is a yellow side, meaning ore colorful. They are named Peach and Tweet 2. I LOVE them :love:

    Yes, I have a myspace page now…I need to know how to do the design stuff on it…its very new so far and I really just activated it to read some other sites there…but its a fun place, if I can make a little time to play with it.

    I miss PJ!

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 11:22 am


  48. I don’t know anyone who confessed to anything they didn’t do, but I do know cops who tricked people into admitting to drug possesion and things like that (for small amounts) – they thought they were going to get off, and they didn’t. My main beef with cops though is not NY cops but New Jersey cops, they are the most racist motherfuckers in the world, let’s put it this way, if you’re a white woman don’t drive in a car with a black man or you’ll be pulled over, lectured about racial purity, and even stalked on future weekends if they know which exit you get off. :doh:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:24 am


  49. Atrios posts pictures of his cats now and again.

    Thought this was cute on yesterdays blog.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 11:25 am


  50. I HATE Ralph Nader…if he gave a shit about anything he would have worked on his party to make a difference instead of sitting on his ass and then jumping in and screwing things up whenever he needs an ego boost…HE screwed up thrid party chances more than anyone…HE shut down thrid party discourse by his actions!…I dont care what he has to say about anything…he is of no consequence in any serious national debate except to distract from what we have to do…I get more information from the show CONVICTION that was on TV last night regarding false confessions! Rot in hell Ralph!…and your little dog too!!

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 11:26 am


  51. Yay Melina, I sent you a friend request. Any time you need help with templates, design, etc, just let me know, I did learn a few things since I joined up last November.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:26 am


  52. …Thanks Isi…now I dont feel so bad for my straying from the issues and onto birds and my week on my blog…really, its more my friends in Sweden and around the world look at it for articles and to see how Im doing, so in a way its a perfect balance…but for the rest of you, it may seem a little self serving. Im trying to be less chatty but then…I cant help it….

    Ah, family fun day at Will’s school…I can almost feel the fun from here…I guess I have to shower and crawl to Starbucks on the way….:joe:

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 11:28 am


  53. I love hearing about your birdies…M :) Of course I’m biased, I’m a complete bird freak…

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:31 am


  54. Bird people are different and special :love:
    I keep thinking of you Suz when Im watching the baby ring necks learn to perch over there…they have this older one that hasnt sold who is steel blue grey with the most intense eyes…but very skittish because he hasnt bonded with anyone…
    I have my favorite bird who is a red bellied amazon guy who is 15 years old and belongs to my favorite person who works there….and then my babies…so I havent time to try to socialize all of them…but, man, I would if I could. I love them!

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 11:36 am


  55. suz- where are the templates and choices? is it all html (which I can do, actually, but would prefer not to timewise) or is there a design center that Im not seeing somewhere?

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 11:37 am


  56. Here’s more on the cop in Olympia. He was head of the local Republican Party; I knew him politically. Did not care for him personally. But still…
    This is the story of Paul Ingram, an active charismatic Christian in Washington State, not only admired among his Christian friends at the Church Of Living Water, but also in the community where he was a longtime Thurston

    County deputy sheriff and chairman of the local Republican party. In 1988, Paul’s two daughters accused him and a number of prominent men in the community of satanic ritual abuse and sexual abuse. There were months of whispered rumors, extensive questioning, and finally, arrest, incarceration, interrogation, and even an exorcism to “cast out” the evil that Paul’s pastor was convinced caused Paul to perform such insidious acts. After all this, Paul confessed, pleaded guilty without a trial, and is now serving the eighth year of his lengthy sentence in a state prison. What is especially startling about Paul’s case, however, is that neither he nor many people with the most knowledge of the case believe he is guilty. Instead, Paul became a victim of the child abuse and satanic ritual abuse hysteria of the late 1980s.

    This hysteria is promoted by Christian publishers popularizing false testimonies, social agendas overindulging in promoting even fanciful tales of child abuse, and a therapy industry riddled with ineffective and even misleading therapies of memory recovery and multiple personality disorder.

    Many experts believe that today, almost a decade after the craze began, many judges, law enforcement personnel, journalists, therapists and Christian leaders now recognize the hysteria for what it is. If Paul’s case were to occur today rather than in 1988, he never would have been arrested and even less persuaded to make a false confession and be sentenced to prison. Yet Paul is still in prison, his appeals exhausted. His only hope is direct intervention by the Washington State Governor’s office. How this twisted experience developed offers fascinating insight into modern social myth making…
    http://www.ju...org/paul.htm

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:38 am


  57. I know, I go over to “Bird Jungle,” the store where I bought Nush (my ringneck). I always want to adopt some lonely bird that I see, but I always stop because I know taking care of one is quite a job. I used to have three birds at one time when someone couldn’t take care of two parakeets, and I loved those two little guys too, but I don’t want to load myself down with all that work again.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:41 am


  58. hold on a sec, Melina, I’ll get you the link to where I got my template. They have some nice ones. There are actually a lot of places to get them, but none that I know of actually on My Space

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:44 am


  59. The DemoRats shut down third party discussion. They along with con artists like Cobb and Benjaamin. The Democrats provide no real opposition to Republicans. Both parties are in the pocket of their corporate masters.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:44 am


  60. Thanks Nicki, I’m going to read it in a sec… Melina, check them out here: My Space Layouts

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:45 am


  61. Sounds like a KKK white supremacy racket in NJ!:omg:
    Have you read Assata Shakur’s autobiography?

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:49 am


  62. The templates come with codes that you can cut and paste. The code I believe goes into the “About Me” section of your profile…when you find a template, go to your home page, edit profile, and paste the code write in the top. You don’t have to know any HTML for that.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:49 am


  63. via Huffington Post

    Check this out

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 11:50 am


  64. No, I haven’t read it, do you recommend?… yeah, Jersey is plagued with cops like that, it’s all over the news all the time. And there is a big historical KKK presence in New Jersey, though I don’t know if that’s connected to the police there.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:54 am


  65. Judy-ism!:omg::menorah:

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:54 am


  66. LOL, Isi. But Judy has friends! Yeah, we don’t have to look at her top 8 to see who her friends her. Cute characatures.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 11:57 am


  67. Oregon was a big Klan state in the ’20s.
    This is not PC, but in the pre-New Deal era, KKK organizations assumed the role of unions. Even included Blacks. They did vigilante actions against the bosses. (Sort of like the Red Brigades in Italy, in the 1970s) The theorist John Zerzan did a study of Klan organizations from the 1920s.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 11:59 am


  68. Rank-and-File Radicalism within the Ku Klux Klan of the 1920s
    By John Zerzan

     In the following article are presented some unusual features of the Ku Klux Klan of the 1920s, the only period in which the KKK was a mass movement. In no way should this essay be interpreted as an endorsement of any aspect of this version of the Klan or of any other parts of Klan activity. Nonetheless, the loathsome nature of the KKK of today should not blind us to what took place within the Klan 70 years ago, in various places and against the wishes and ideology of the Klan itself.

     In the U.S. at least, racism is certainly one of the most crudely reified phenomena. The Ku Klux Klan of the 1920s is one of the two or three most important – and most ignored – social movements of 20th century America. These two data are the essential preface to this essay.

     Writing at the beginning of 1924, Stanley Frost accurately surveyed the Klan at the crest of its power: “The Ku Klux Klan has become the most vigorous, active and effective organization in American life outside business.”(1) Depending on one’s choice of sources, KKK membership in 1924 can be estimated at anywhere between two and eight million.(2)

     And yet, the nature of this movement has been largely unexplored or misunderstood…
    http://www.in...g.uk/kkk.htm

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 12:02 pm


  69. I didn’t know that, but it doesn’t surprise me. The Klan became a real part of the community in a lot of places. That’s another reason they became so popular and huge, not simply that they were a place people could vent their projected anger, but also they did good things for people from time to time. Made it harder to get rid of them later.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 12:04 pm


  70. Now the Klan is grotesque. They are a joke in the re-ified form. But their white supremacist ideology is as American as peach cobbler.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 12:07 pm


  71. Good Morning :joe:

    Comment by Kristapea — May 6, 2006 @ 12:07 pm


  72. John Zerzan
    From Wikipedia

    John Zerzan (born 1943) is an American anarchist and primitivist philosopher and author. His works criticise (agricultural) civilization as inherently oppressive, and advocate drawing upon the ways of life of prehistoric humans as an inspiration for what a free society should look like. Some of his criticism has extended as far as challenging domestication, language, symbolic thought (such as mathematics and art) and the concept of time. His four major books are Elements of Refusal (1988), Future Primitive (1994), Against Civilization: A Reader (1998) and Running on Emptiness (2002).

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 12:11 pm


  73. Yes, it is all American, and it’s still around. Oh my god, there are Klan kids who went to a Middle School in a – Sayreville – where my friend taught in Central Jersey… the kids’ parents are on the school board, and my friend was a muticultural ed teacher…you can imagine the hostility that was going on in that class. Sayreville is a disgusting town out of the 18th century or something in the middle of a sea of more progressive areas. Very strange place.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 12:11 pm


  74. I’d like to hear from some African American historians regarding the Klan of the 20’s before I buy into the theory Zerzan espouses.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 12:14 pm


  75. Hi Krista :)

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 12:14 pm


  76. Zerzan did the research on the Klan in the 1970s, when he was a mainstream researcher for the Oregon AFL-CIO.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 12:22 pm


  77. Thanks Suz…Ill get to that when I get home later.
    Niki- its people like Nader who shut down discourse by acting like they have a platform and then not following through in any real way when it involves proving yourself over time or being in for the long run. Just tipping over the apple cart does nothing except to make sure that people get into office who are capable of shutting down all freedoms….and where is he now?? Commenting on this and that…what a loser.
    Nicki, I resent being called a “rat” as I am a very dedicated Democrat who is maybe not happy with what the party is doing but willing to work within it to get us oout of this hole. I dont think thatyouhave any reaosn to call names…and if you feel you must, be prepared to get the same back or worse.
    Your Nader stuff is baiting and Im not in the mood for manipulation today….so, keep it up…

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 12:22 pm


  78. Zerzan’s article has endnotes. Check them out.

    American unions were not free from racism, as any look at the historical record will verify. Anti-Chinese sentiment…The IWW had to fight vigorously against this sort of thing.
    I see the 1920s Klan as sort of an adjunct to the union movement.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 12:25 pm


  79. Your vitriolic response to my posting Nader’s article on false confessions was baiting.

    If you want more than cosmetic changes, you will need to organize to end the domination of corporations on our society. The Democrats lose to the Republicans because people can see no real differences between them.

    Kerry supports the war.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 12:40 pm


  80. dee dee dee dee dee…okay I’m alone :om: :!::jerk::nod::omg:::::bong::yinyang::banana::tongue::blech:obligatory emoticon parade over and out::::

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 1:06 pm


  81. I need to go cut-and-paste my zine; then band practice.

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 1:10 pm


  82. hey seanie, we’re waiting for your report on maron’s show last night, did you get a ticket for parking on the street, what was the show like, what photo do you have, anything more you might know about marc getting onto xm, etcetera. hope you got enough sleep and that you don’t have to drive anywhere today.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 2:05 pm


  83. Yeah, Sean, what’d I miss

    Comment by Kristapea — May 6, 2006 @ 2:08 pm


  84. I’m waiting for the computer guy to come over and make my machine go faster. :cool:

    Comment by Kristapea — May 6, 2006 @ 2:18 pm


  85. ancient blog named AMV

    ANV = americanviewer was his handle. IHe still does drive-bys once in a while i think. fun blogger

    nope, the :fire: was not one of those boy things. there was some other meaning, but i can’t remember.

    melina, those birds are way too cute. jeez.

    isi, love the judy thing!

    ask for a lawyer and then shut up until your lawyer arrives. once you ask for a lawyer, all interrogation should stop.
    best yet, don’t get arrested in the first place. the state holds ALL the cards and you are pretty much f*cked if you get in to the criminal justice system. but if you do, ask for a lawyer and keep quiet.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 2:52 pm


  86. SEAN – YOU DON’T EVER SLEEP THIS MUCH – WAKE UP! :joe:

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 2:52 pm


  87. i think sean slept this late when he was with the stripper a while back, so maybe there’s something going on that we don’t know about this time, too.

    sean, you’re our raconteur, we’re counting on you, we already know the part about driving 800 plus miles in one day but tell us more about the guy who wouldn’t let you park your semi even when you offered him 40 dollars, and how you almost missed marc’s show because of the los angeles traffic, tell us what happened after that….

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 3:22 pm


  88. :rabbi: Marc just posted this over on his blog:

    Yo Dudes and Girls-

    Thanks to all of you who came out to the UCB. It was an interesting hour of birthing and floundering for me. I was trying to get some new riffs going. It was a bit pained in places but there were some high points. If you liked birthing and floundering it was a good night. It got a little nasty as well. I felt bad in a good way. I went home and festered about the state of my standup for hours. Something’s gotta give.

    Have a good weekend. Talk to you Monday.

    Maron

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 3:22 pm


  89. I guess that’s why he wanted blog people there, so he could try out some new stuff in front of a friendly audience.

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 3:26 pm


  90. i think sean slept this late when he was with the stripper a while back, so maybe there’s something going on that we don’t know about this time, too.

    Comment by foggyblue

    :rofl2:

    Sean did say he was surrounded by hookers at the truckstop last night! :shock:

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 3:29 pm


  91. isi, you’re right, he did say that! well it might be a while before we hear from sean.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 3:38 pm


  92. gosh isi, marc’s blog, oh i hate it that things got a little nasty during parts of his show last night, i hate it that he went home and festered about his standup, i want everything everything everything to go well for him all the time.

    now that he tapes his show, when does he do the taping? i mean, he didn’t leave his ucb show last night and go do a taping of his radio show, did he?

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 3:47 pm


  93. farmerkat, thanks for the instructions about how to behave when we get arrested for being sympathizers, i guess they rough you up before they book you, so at least they do something before our lawyers get us released.

    don’t they try to arrest you on friday and hold you over the weekend and release you on monday without charges, they’re endlessly creative about how to mess with us, i guess not saying anything to them would probably help our situation, they can’t get us to confess to something we didn’t do if we keep our mouths shut. this feels so like the nixon 70s!!!!

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 3:54 pm


  94. Sean might have given us a clue on the nasty part last night when he said, marc said it’s ok to f**k your mother.

    I get the feeling he tapes the show around 1-2 pm pst. He usually makes a blog entry around 10 AM pst. I think :wink:

    Get a load of this video. This woman writes for the New Yorker of all things!!

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 3:58 pm


  95. Well, that Sean :sammy:

    He just made an entry over on marc’s blog!

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 4:03 pm


  96. Hey PJ, don’t forget the hangar on the outside doorknob if you and da wife are gonna monkey around in the dorm room. Interruptions suck. :grin:

    As of last time I googled, still no information as to whether or not Allan Bense is filing to run against Katherine Harris in the FL Repig primary. The Legislature concluded its term last evening, so he’s free to announce if he’s going to. I’ll keep an eye on it for the people who give a :crap:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 6, 2006 @ 4:14 pm


  97. Well, that Sean

    He just made an entry over on marc’s blog!

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 4:03 pm

    I’m making a mental note to go see John Valby next time he’s in town. :hubba:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 6, 2006 @ 4:18 pm


  98. Melina, thanks for the posting on RIPCoco. Dowd is always fresher when I don’t have to wait a couple of days to read her.

    Your pix are very cool too.:grin:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 6, 2006 @ 4:21 pm


  99. thx for the video isi. the colbert interview with cf left me momentarily stunned. what stupendous ignorance and incompetence and self inflation that woman has. talk about denial. she has been brainwashed to the max. why would the new yorker ever hire her????

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 4:24 pm


  100. OK, I finally found something about Allan Bense, so I can stop talking to myself. It’s the second article down. Apparently he’s still deciding whether or not to run against Harris. He has until next Friday to file.

    The REALLY bizarre part is found if you read the fourth article down. There is speculation that Porter Goss, of all people, might throw his hat into the ring. Anywhere else, he’d be damaged goods, but not in Florida.
    :rofl2:

    http://tinyurl.com/o9hga

    Back to work for me on Monday. Oh well.

    Comment by Kevin M — May 6, 2006 @ 4:32 pm


  101. 101!

    One and one, we`re having some fun,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Two and two, I took of my shoes,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Three and three, she undressed me,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Four and four, we f**ked on the floor,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Five and five, I put up her thights,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Six and six, the bit*h sucked my dick,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Seven and seven, we went to heaven,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Eight and eight, she masturbated,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Nine and nine, she licked my ass,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Ten and ten, the bit*h did it again,
    In the bedroom, all day, and all of the night.
    Get off my ass, bit*h
    Get your face out of my ass, motherf**ker
    Get off my as* bit*h!
    GET YOUR FACE OUT MY AS* MOTHERF**KER!!
    “Haaa”
    “But it hurts so good”
    “Haaa”
    Get laid, get F**KED!
    “Haaa”
    “But it hurts so good”
    (repeated `till the end of the track)

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 4:38 pm


  102. :crap:

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 4:40 pm


  103. :yawn: back to sleep!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 4:40 pm


  104. thx for the sean post alert, kevin. goss running against harris. man, florida is weird.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 4:41 pm


  105. sean you’re repeating yourself with 101.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 4:43 pm


  106. i’m brian fellowes!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 4:46 pm


  107. Kevin, sounds like Bense may stay as far away as he can from the whole Katherine Harris saga. What chance would he have of winning the general election?

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 4:46 pm


  108. :banana: yeah i know! 2live crew!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 4:47 pm


  109. Sean, that’s no fair not telling us about your adventure in LA and seeing Marc!! :rant1:

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 4:47 pm


  110. :mad: patience! its a long story! wild goats! hookers! gas station attendants! mexicans swiming across the rio grande! sheriffs! and of course MARC!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 4:51 pm


  111. OK, Sean.

    Gotcha :peace:

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 4:52 pm


  112. :banana: :rabbi::knit2::spank::eek::rant1::rofl2::joe::fist::fire::banana:
    I LOVE animated emos

    Sean, I await your tale eagerly.

    Melina, love the bird baby pics. I want birds, I want a big sleek silver grey cat–but alas my 2 elderly (11 and 16 yr old) dogs have not been getting the attention they deserve for a year as I have spent far too much time in hospital, nursing homes or just plain bed-bound in Beirut sur Willamette et Columbia.

    FK :banana: :banana:2 miles great:banana::banana:

    Niki It’s more than a 40 min drive to St Helens.

    OK maybe Sean has posted by now

    Comment by Wanwenxia — May 6, 2006 @ 5:12 pm


  113. hey we seditionists know about patience. :knit2:
    :bong: :joe::alc:
    no problem, sean, whenever you’re ready.:knit:

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 5:18 pm


  114. Wanwenxia, thanks for reminding me:

    :fist: Congratulations, farmerkat on your 2 mile walk! That’s quite a distance. Flat or hilly?

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 5:33 pm


  115. good afternoon? :yinyang:

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 5:38 pm


  116. Am I alone here, again?

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 5:49 pm


  117. marc said some blogfuck typing away on his keyboard last night! yep!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 5:55 pm


  118. Sean -huh?

    front raps cod freeze safe smash drugs basin

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 6:00 pm


  119. marc said some blogfuck typing away on his keyboard last night! yep!

    Comment by SeanMS

    maybe he was tired and missed mishna. she’s on the east coast with her own show, isn’t she?

    hi king kong. good afternoon from california. i forget what time it is where you are.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 6:03 pm


  120. foogyblur-

    it is 12 hours ahead of new york time here,

    The sun is rising.

    Comment by King Kong — May 6, 2006 @ 6:10 pm


  121. apparently hunter thompson didnt shoot himself:doh:

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 6:28 pm


  122. The sun is rising.

    Comment by King Kong

    good sunday morning to you. :joe:
    i like the name foogyblur! ha ha.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 6:30 pm


  123. apparently hunter thompson didnt shoot himself :doh:

    Comment by SeanMS

    WHAT???? WTF????

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 6:33 pm


  124. well according to this crazy chick on the internet it was the government!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 6:36 pm


  125. he was writing what he considered to be the two most important books of his life.

    one on congressional sex-rings/snuff films(anyone remember the real larry king &
    what happened back in the 80’s with all the children??) and the other on 9/11.

    Hunter S. Thompson firmly believed that he had found hard evidence that
    the government was complicit in the attacks that day.

    why kill yourself when you haven’t even completed these two books?
    two books which were his entire life at the moment. why was he laughing
    & chatting on the phone with his wife when he killed himself? he was writing a weekly column and they were gonna work on it together when she arrived home that day.

    this is not a man who would go down because of mere physical pain.

    not when he was so close to finishing such controversial & dangerous books.

    ~ sincerely yours ~
    Jennifer

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 6:38 pm


  126. It’s 6:34,I just took a nap so I can stay up later. Weird huh? How goes it Sean and King Kong? Wild goats and hookers, oh my! Playing the adventure out for all it’s worth by not telling everything about it, eh? LOL, you’re entitled, Sean

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 6:38 pm


  127. well according to this crazy chick on the internet it was the government!

    Well, that’s interesting:paranoid: It seems plausible.

    Comment by Kristapea — May 6, 2006 @ 6:38 pm


  128. ok well i am going to the movies and to see tracy morgan and when i get back i will type away on my keyboard like a good little blogfuck and tell the whole story starting with sunday in pensacola florida ending friday in los angeles california and lots of interesting shit in the middle!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 6:44 pm


  129. ok, we’ll just have to wait :tongue:

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 6:46 pm


  130. see Inside Man, Sean, it’s good.

    isi, i walked some rolling hills (not too big in Georgia, mind you). I’m really starting to feel better. Plan on pushing myself so I get stronger faster. Type A, you know.
    Hey that woman on Colbert, the witch, she wouldn’t EVEN be able to write or be on Colbert if it weren’t for the feminists, the ingrate. she’out for the money and controversy.

    The sun rising in your neighborhood sounds awesome, KK :gate:

    Kev, I DO care what happenes and if Goss files, Florida should just sink in the ocean and spare the rest of us!
    wanwen, hope you’re ok….

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 6:52 pm


  131. seen it…………

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 6:54 pm


  132. Kevin, sounds like Bense may stay as far away as he can from the whole Katherine Harris saga. What chance would he have of winning the general election?

    Comment by isi — May 6, 2006 @ 4:46 pm

    IMHO, not much. Bill Nelson is about as centrist as they come. Jeb and the other Repigs would have to pour millions into various media campaigns in an attempt to Swiftboat Nelson, but on which issue, I have no clue.

    Nelson’s greatest strength right now is his anonymity – few Floridians are worked up over him much one way or the other. I don’t see Bense doing anything to change that. Not to mention that the Repigs would have to pump millions into the primary just to get Harris out of the way.

    Unless someone has pictures of Nelson doing naughty things with a boy or a farm animal, he’ll probably cruise through November whether it’s against Harris or Bense. It would definitely be more fun to watch Harris continue to unravel, though.

    The only wild card is Harris’ possible involvment with the Duke Cunningham thing, and I doubt that the Repigs want to dig very deep into that mess during a primary campaign for fear of finding more skeletons than have been reported up to now.

    Damn. I feel like George Stephanopoulos. Does this mean I get to sleep with Ali Wentworth tonight? :hubba:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 6, 2006 @ 6:55 pm


  133. twice!

    Comment by SeanMS — May 6, 2006 @ 6:56 pm


  134. Yeah, Farmerkat, what is it with this phenomenon of female conservative pundits (Ann Coulter is another one) who pushes the anti-feminist agenda but has actually benefited greatly and could not be where they are today without the type of freedoms spread by the feminist movement? Yeesh.

    King Kong, I visited Hong Kong twice when my brother was living there and loved the city, but mannn it took a long time to get used to 12 hours’ difference.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 6:59 pm


  135. …it WAS good. I’d like to see it again, too.

    Unless someone has pictures of Nelson doing naughty things with a boy or a farm animal,

    does anyone have one of these but featuring Ralph Reed?

    Kev, maybe you ought to do the Sunday round-up tomorrow!

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 7:00 pm


  136. who pushes the anti-feminist agenda but has actually benefited greatly and could not be where they are today without the type of freedoms spread by the feminist movement?

    EXACTLY. I paid dues for the feminist movement and I’ll be danged if someone like that will take advantage of it while slamming it.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 7:08 pm


  137. Unless someone has pictures of Nelson doing naughty things with a boy or a farm animal,

    does anyone have one of these but featuring Ralph Reed?

    Nelson doing naughty things with Ralph Reed? Gee, I hope not.

    Kev, maybe you ought to do the Sunday round-up tomorrow!

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 7:00 pm

    No thanks. PJ rules. Besides, CBS hasn’t been updating the website for Face The Nation, and I switched off their news tonight before they mentioned who’s on tomorrow.

    Speaking of which, I read somewhere that Thalia Assuras is something like 55 years old. WTF? She doesn’t look anything close to that. I know plastic surgeons are doing wonderful things these days, but sheeeeeeet. :hubba:

    As long as I have the drool bib on, I do remember that Katrina vanden Heuvel is on the panel for Stephanopoulos this week, and I really resent myself for putting those two finger-twisting names in the same sentence. :smile:

    Comment by Kevin M — May 6, 2006 @ 7:12 pm


  138. Real women antifeminists baffle me. Sort of like gay Neocons. I just don’t get the psychology of it. Of course with women antifeminist pundits, especially professionals with college degrees etc and jobs (again, like Coulter) are probably in it for the money

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 7:13 pm


  139. there was a lot of talk at the time of hunter’s death that he didn’t commit suicide, lots of theories, i wonder what his wife and his son think, i had the idea that quite a while ago they had reluctantly accepted the suicide version.

    i guess if the govmint wants to kill you that they know ways to make sure it never gets detected. damn sociopaths.

    what are these snide references to the real larry king and children in the 1980s and congressional snuff films?

    who are you reading on the internet, sean? this is some really strange stuff. maybe you need a little more sleep, then it might be time to re-evaluate your internet friends.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 7:14 pm


  140. pj may not be able to do the Sunday Fun because of his college daze.

    yeah, suz, i think it’s for the $$$. ignominious!

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 7:17 pm


  141. The new CIA head-2-be, Gen.Hayden in January got the USConstitution a bit wrong.
    NSA’s constitution – check out this Keith O clip.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 7:23 pm


  142. oh, before I forget…if you’re protesting and get arrested, be sure to have $50.00 on you so you can pay the fee and bail yourself out. I wouldn’t worry too much about being interrogated if it’s a simple protest thing. when i mentioned ask for a lawyer, I was assuming you were arrested for something grave.

    Comment by Farmerkat — May 6, 2006 @ 7:28 pm


  143. I’ve heard so many neocons talk trash against the Fourth Amendment it’s not even funny. It seems like it’s their pet amendment to twist.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 7:31 pm


  144. $50 to bail oneself out of jail for protest…is that all it is these days? That actually sounds cheap, I would think it would be more expensive. Maybe it depends what you were arrested for during the protest, or where you were protesting.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 7:35 pm


  145. Hey- Did you guys see this?
    its really sweet….

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 8:48 pm


  146. :banana: :rofl2:Thanks, Melina,:rofl2::banana:

    Comment by Wanwenxia — May 6, 2006 @ 8:57 pm


  147. WOW!! vitriolic

    Thats rich….hehhehhehehehhahahah….
    I didnt vote for Kerry in the primary, and I reallyhavent said much about him…certainly not in this discussion…. but when it was between him and Bush,you bet your butt that I certainly chose HIM!!! Are you Crazy???? Wait, Dont answer that!!…of course its better to have Bush et al in office as long as youve made a STATEMENT by voting for Nader (who doesnt give a shit about you or anything else but himself….)
    Sheesh!!
    Unbelievable!
    :rofl2: :doh:

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 9:08 pm


  148. thx for the colbert tribute link, melina! i loved it.

    Comment by foggyblue — May 6, 2006 @ 9:08 pm


  149. Suzie- Will fell for a baby light green ring nect today as I talkerd with the owner of Parrotco who was being kissed by a bright yellow ringneck who is 15 or 20 years old, fantastically beautiful and who loves him so much that they have to keep her in her cage because she wont stop kissing and grooming him!…very funny because we were having quite a serious conversation abotu politics and the internet etc…and there was me with my babies cuddling and kissing them, and Bill with Sunshine all over him and with her beak on his mouth all the time making smootching sounds…
    As I said, bird people are special!:love:
    I told Will that there is no way that I could handle a baby ringneck and 2 baby conures right now, and also I would want a real color if I went for one. But, I can see that maybe someday, at some point, I will have to have one:omg::omg:

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 9:12 pm



  150. I told Will that there is no way that I could handle a baby ringneck and 2 baby conures right now, and also I would want a real color if I went for one. But, I can see that maybe someday, at some point, I will have to have one :omg: :omg:

    A baby ringneck AND 2 conures -can’t imagine the work involved in that..but yeah, it’s tempting, I can see how would be tempting. Conures are so beautiful. Nush (18 plus years’ old) sitting on my shoulder even as I type right now

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 9:30 pm


  151. Colbert has been elevated to hero status on my webpage…I’m just looking for the right picture to put him there with Marc Maron. (great link, thank you)

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 9:31 pm


  152. The Uproar Over The Isreal Lobby
    by Alexander Cockburn; Free Press; May 06, 2006

    For the past few weeks a sometimes comic debate has been simmering in the American press, focused on the question of whether there is an Israeli lobby and, if so, just how powerful it is.

    I would have thought that to ask whether there’s an Israeli lobby here is a bit like asking whether there’s a Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor or a White House located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C. The late Steve Smith, brother-in-law of Teddy Kennedy, and a powerful figure in the Democratic Party for several decades, liked to tell the story of how a group of four Jewish businessmen got together $2 million in cash and gave it to Harry Truman when he was in desperate need of money during his presidential campaign in 1948. Truman went on to become president and to express his gratitude to his Zionist backers.

    Since those days, the Democratic Party has long been hospitable to, and supported by, rich Zionists. In 2002, for example, Haim Saban, the Israel-American who funds the Saban Center at the Brooking Institute and is a big contributor to AIPAC, gave $12.3 million to the Democratic Party. In 2001, the magazine Mother Jones listed on its website the 400 leading contributors to the 2000 national elections. Seven of the first 10 were Jewish, as were 12 of the top 20, and 125 of the top 250. Given this, all prudent candidates have gone to amazing lengths to satisfy their demands.

    None of this history is particularly controversial, and there have been plenty of well-documented accounts of the activities of the Israel Lobby down the years, from Alfred Lilienthal’s 1978 study, The Zionist Connection, to former U.S. Rep. Paul Findley’s 1985 book, “They Dare To Speak Out” to “Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship,” written by my brother and sister-in-law, Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, and published in 1991. . .

    Comment by NickiRose — May 6, 2006 @ 9:52 pm


  153. For what it’s worth, I made a pledge within the last year or so to from now on only vote my conscience no matter how the dice falls in the short term… some people have to support third party candidates so they can build up some power and I simply can’t vote for someone who I just don’t like, even if it’s “the lesser of the two evil’s philosophy” I just can’t do it anymore.

    …having said that I STILL don’t know who I would support for a presidential run. We’ll see as it get closer to that time.

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 9:59 pm


  154. Well Suz, I think that given the choice, we all have to do whats right for us, but if its clear that a Bushie is gonna get in if you support the third party, then your conscience will tell you what to do…then you will work on the third party some more…and fer christ sakes, lets hope for some third party candidates who actually work on things rather than disappear until the next election rolls around.
    You didnt tell me what color Nush is…is there a pic on your site?
    I have been messing round with settings on that thing but now cant find my friends added and also cant find where to add code for things…its a strange layout in that it is easy in the aireas that it presents to you, but not clear as to how you add different subsections. I guess that I should apply a template.
    I also subscribed to a group that discusses whats availabel and how to use them.
    There is lots of stuff out there, but its all this easy copy and paste…but where do you paste it?? Thats my big question/

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 10:39 pm


  155. There’s a picture of Nush in the pics section of my website (looking in a two way mirror). :)

    As far as pasting things go, depends on what you want to paste and where. The code for the template, once you find one you like, goes in the “About Me” section at the very top. It should be as easy as Ctrl+P and Ctrl+V right into the HTML window (go to edit profile first). One good idea is when you find a layout you like, check for instructions specific to that layout – most of them do say paste in the “About Me” section, though (at the very beginning of it, before any other code).

    If you want to paste pictures right into your actual profile, the only way I know is to first upload your pics to http://www.ph...tobucket.com (free web hosting), then once you upload the pictures, copy the middle code (the one that says “tag”) and paste it into whatever part of your profile you like. Takes a little practice as far as design/where it falls on the page, etc. but once you get the hang of it it should work out quite nicely.

    You can also paste pictures into comment windows and also when you send a message in a forum. Pretty cool. I am too addicted to profile design. I created an extra profile mostly to fool around with additional templates, etc. and test them out!

    Comment by Susan Joy — May 6, 2006 @ 10:51 pm


  156. OK- I am gonna try again tomorrow.
    Thanks alot for the advice…Ill figure it out. Not sure if I can somehow link it to my blog or if you can just import the blog….also I guess I have to post photos and music on my regular page and then link to them…?
    Im just tired…too much sun today at family fun day…
    too much fun….

    Comment by Melina — May 6, 2006 @ 11:12 pm


  157. Plutocracy and the Party of the People

    Democratic Masqueraders

    By JEFF TAYLOR

    In 1908, three-time Democratic presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan asked the question, “Shall the people rule?” In 2004, John Forbes Kerry told us, “Hope is on the way.” Bryan’s campaign slogan addressed the fundamental issue of politics: Who rules? Kerry’s vacuous slogan conveyed contentless optimism. The Democratic Party of Kerry, Gore, and the Clintons does not want to deal with the question of rule. An honest, detailed appraisal would disturb the widely-held but very-mistaken impression that Democrats are “the party of the people.” You know-as opposed to those rich Republicans who put the interests of their country club friends and big corporations above those of average Americans. It’s a comforting myth for loyal Democrats, but it has not been true at the national level for almost 100 years.

    As Governor Jerry Brown pointed out in the 1990s, Governor Clinton not only golfed at a country club but did so at a whites-only country club, and President Clinton was a faithful frontman for Wall Street during his eight years in office. He was also the chairman, product, and sponsor of the corporate-dominated Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). From start to finish, Bill Clinton personified a politicianof humble origins and undeniable abilities who put his promise and talent in the service of plutocracy. Democracy means rule by the common people. Plutocracy means rule by the wealthy. It is ironic that the Democratic Party has become so thoroughly plutocraticso much so that today the condition is taken for granted and intraparty disputes-when they occur at all-center around tertiary issues like how to market the party’s abortion stance (the stance itself cannot be debated). The plutocratic tendencies of the Democrats run much deeper than particular party leaders, however. They are grounded in ideology and history.

    The primary founder of the Democratic Party was Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was not perfect, but his thought was far more democratic and libertarian than most of his contemporaries. This is especially true when you consider that his peers were the Founding Fathers, most of whom were quite comfortable with monarchy and aristocracy and openly hostile toward democracy. Jefferson was not a pure democrat in the Athenian sense and his status as a slaveowner taints his image in the eyes of modern liberals and leftists. These are valid criticisms. However, true democracy was unheard-of in the 1780s, aside from the pages of history books and its small-scale practice in Switzerland and some New England towns. When it came to slavery, Jefferson did not practice what he preached, but what he preached should not be overlooked. He condemned slavery as a great evil deserving of divine judgment, and asserted that all people are created equal and endowed with unalienable rights. . .

    Comment by NickiRose — May 7, 2006 @ 1:47 am


  158. Following in the footsteps of Jefferson and Jackson, and aligning himself with the growing People’s (Populist) Party, little-known Congressman William Jennings Bryan of Nebraska sought and gained the 1896 Democratic presidential nomination. It was a repudiation of Cleveland and the party establishment, members of which either “sat on their hands” or openly supported opposition candidates in the general election, thus contributing to Bryan’s defeat. Gathering like-minded liberals around him, Bryan more-or-less led the national party from 1896 to 1912. Historian Carroll Quigley refers to Bryan’s ascendancy to party leadership in his classic treatment of twentieth-century power, Tragedy and Hope: “The inability of plutocracy to control the Democratic Party as it had demonstrated it could control the Republican Party, made it advisable for them to adopt a one-party outlook on political affairs, although they continued to some extent to contribute to both parties and did not cease their efforts to control both.” Like the vast majority of his contemporaries, Bryan took white supremacy for granted. In almost every other way, however, Bryan was a progressive force who represented the best of Jefferson’s thought. His 1896, 1900, and 1908 campaigns were ultimately unsuccessful but he reached millions with his message of democracy and peace, and he sponsored many liberals who had previously been shut out of party leadership by plutocracy and professionalism. Bryan almost singlehandedly turned imperialism into a serious political issue of the day as he made his opposition to overseas conquest the centerpiece of his second campaign. . .

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    Comment by NickiRose — May 7, 2006 @ 2:43 am


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