Well, I’ve been through the new Neil Young album – Living with War – a couple of times now, and I really like it. It’s got that rock-country-feedback kinda sound to it. Very Crazy Horse, I think. It’s up on Rhapsody, and it’s a higher quality than it is on the free streaming site. There are some classic lyrics, too, of course.
Let’s Impeach the President uses dubya’s own words against him, punctuated with a chorus of “flip…flop.”
What if Al-Qaeda had blown up the levees?
Would New Orleans have been safer that way?
Sheltered by our government’s protection?
Or was someone just not home that day?
Looking for a leader is another great song.
Maybe it’s Obama, but he think’s he’s too young.
Maybe it’s Powell, to right what he’s done wrong.
America has a leader, but he’s not in the house.
He’s walking here among us, and we got to seek him out.
[…]
America is beautiful, but it’s got an ugly side.
We’re looking for a leader, with the Great Spirit on his side.”
Shock and Awe:
Back in the days of Shock and Awe
We came to liberate them all
History was a cruel judge of overconfidence,
Back in the days, of Shock and Awe.Back in the days of Mission Accomplished,
Our chief was landing on the deck.
The sun was setting on a glowing photo op,
back in the days of Mission Accomplished.Thousands of bodies in the ground
Brought home in boxes to a trumpet’s sound
Noone sees them comin’ home that way
thousands buried in the ground.
There are many others as well, but the last song on the album is an a capella version of the 100-member choir singing “America the Beautiful” that put a lump way down deep in my throat, and brought a tear to my eye. It’s a beautiful rendition, of course, but that’s not what had me misty-eyed.
Listening to it, in the context of this album, and of the world we now live in, it seemed to me to be a requiem – a dirge, for the death of the America that I grew up in. The America that’s been killed by this administration and their enablers and apologists. I know we’ve never exactly lived up to our ideals. We’ve done unspeakable things in countless parts of the world, to be sure. But somehow, there was always at least an idea of what this county was supposed to be, and what it stood for, even if it didn’t always manage to do the right thing.
Where once we were proud of our right to speak our minds, now we think twice about what we say, and around whom we say it. People with a “No Blood for Oil” bumper sticker are banned from seeing their president – their servant – at a public event. We watch as the mother of a fallen soldier is cuffed and roughly hustled out of The People’s House, for the crime of wearing a t-shirt – as if asking “how many more?” is an act of sedition. “News” has become state-sponsored propaganda. American citizens are taken away in darkenss, with no right to an attorney – ever. Others are hauled off to be tortured in a foreign country, or to rot in a dog pen at our gulag in Guantánamo Bay. The president signs a bill outlawing torture with a statement saying the law doesn’t apply to him. He launches a program of warrantless wiretapping of US Citizens, in direct defiance of the Fourth Amendment, and our Congress – the people’s “Representatives” do nothing to stop him; even a meaningless “censure” is deemed too radical.
So, anyway, that’s why hearing America the Beautiful made me kinda sad, because, in spite of all its flaws, I think it was, once, something beautiful. That chapter, sadly, appears to be ending. It all changed back on September 11th, but it wasn’t Al Qaeda or the attacks that did it. Everything changed because we – perhaps not we, here, but the collective “We The People” – allowed it to change. “We” allowed a group of madmen and thieves to twist and pervert the very principles upon which this nation was founded, and if this is allowed to continue, they will have succeeded where Stalin and Goebbels failed.
I only hope “We The People” are finally waking from our collective coma in time to stop these madmen before the damage they do is impossible to repair.
number 1???
Comments on the opening thread should be my priority, but after a bad afternoon, I’m crashing.
Whoo Hooo
#1
Hey KK, is it just us this morning?
firedoglake on Rush’s Deferred Prosecution Program
Wow, PJ, That brought tears as I sit here with my one true friend discussing the state of the world over “The Long Emergency” by James Kunstler. Pay attention to the artists. They are like animals that sense a storm coming. 🙁
Springer is talking about a despicable video game sponsored by Nazis called
Ethnic Cleansing! I googled it, and the anti-racists are all over it. Good!
I am more worried about the ethnic cleansing that goes on as a result of “acceptable” real estate bonanzas.
The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of one ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population exchange, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide.
At the most general level, however, ethnic cleansing can be understood as the expulsion of an “undesirable” population from a given territory as a result of religious or ethnic discrimination, political, strategic or ideological considerations, or a combination of these. (wikipedia)
The Assyrian Empire regularly deported entire ethnic groups, as did the Babylonians; victims of this policy most famously include the Israelites of Israel in 722 BC and the Israelites of Judah in 586 BC (see Babylonian captivity of Judah). The migration of Caribs led to the displacement of indigenous Arawaks, but they themselves were later defeated and expelled. Mongols, Turks, and Russians have instigated various forced relocations of other peoples in Eurasia over the centuries.
During the Islamic invasion of the Indian subcontinent, several million Hindus were either murdered or forcibly removed from regions constituting modern-day Pakistan. Famous Indian historian, K.S. Lal estimated in his book The Growth of Muslim Population in India that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million.
(Wikipedia)
I find the following passage in the Wikipedia “Ethnic Cleansing” entry to be very offensive:
When enforced as part of a political settlement, as happened with the forced resettlement of ethnic Germans to Germany after 1945, it can contribute to long-term stability. The large German populations in Czechoslovakia and Poland had been sources of friction before the Second World War, but this was forcibly resolved. It thus establishes “facts on the ground” – radical demographic changes which can be very hard to reverse.
What do you think?
Wow, PJ. I hope you are wrong and that we will save the country just in the nick of time. BUT, I am very afraid you are right.
Last night I started to listen to the show, hit the first batch of repetitive, stepping-on-themselves ads and said screw it:fustrate::doh::fu:turned it off and finished listening to the mp3 of the night before.
:rant1:Until they syndicate and get a non herky-jerky stream, I’m going to save 45 min of time and much aggravation. not to mention sleep .:rant1:
Here is a Wiki entry on Israel’s New Historians that I think is useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historians
Thanks, pj, for such a thoughtful post. You express so well many of the fears and thoughts I carry inside.
and thanks for the posts, isi, good reading.
KK, the Buddhists you say? What happened?
Kev, good luck with the Hot & Heavy tonight. At least you won’t be repulsed by her political convictions – a fine start to a good evening, indeed!
shit – the war on terra may have affected new innocents.
At least 400 dead dolphins wash up in Zanzibar
Hundreds of dead dolphins have washed up along the shore of a popular tourist destination on Zanzibar’s northern coast, and scientists have ruled out poisoning.
It was not immediately clear what killed the 400 dolphins, whose carcasses on Friday were strewn along a 4km stretch of Nungwi, said Narriman Jidawi, a marine biologist at the Institute of Marine Science in Zanzibar.
speaking of the war on terra, state dept doesn’t make it look like Bush is winning it:
oh, yes, the nubers are calculated soooo differently, I’m sure….methodology my arse…
Is the new Neil Young in stores this Tuesday? Talk about music overload. Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam and Ministry all drop on Tuesday as well. Guess I know what I’ll be doing.
I saw the weirdest shit watching the local ABC affiliate news last night. My sister-in-law, who is a producer there, and her sister are testing some sort of enhanced water that supposedly contains supplements that cause you to lose weight. Sounds like snake oil to me, especially since this little experiment is being conducted during sweeps, but it was just odd seeing both of them on TV out of the blue like that.
The experiment will last for the next four weeks, or in other words, through the end of sweeps. IMHO, neither of them really need to lose much weight, but the segment producer had both of them slobbed out in sweats and baseball caps for last night’s piece, presumably to enhance the effect of the before-and-after shots that I’m sure we’ll see at the end of the month.
The three minutes could have been used to better effect explaining the treasonous nature of the Bush crime family, of course, but I probably shouldn’t waste time going there. (Even though I just did.)
Anyway, here’s to consumption of strange but wonderful liquids to make ourselves feel better about life.
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Tyger Thom Scheduling update:
Next week’s highlights on KPOJ
Tune into Thom Hartmann from 6am – 9am
Monday, May 1st
Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski
Tuesday, May 2nd
Washington Congressman Brian Baird
BlueOregon.com’s Kari Chisholm
Wednesday, May 3rd
Oregon Congressman Peter DeFazio
Willamette Week editor Mark Zusman
Thursday, May 4th
Oregon Congressman Earl Blumenauer
Friday, May 5th
Oregon AFL-CIO president Tom Chamberlain
Faun Kine, producer of “The Tomato Effect” – movie documentary on Gulf War Syndrome”The Tomato Effect”
David Smith, co-editor of “Inequality Matters: The Growing Economic Divide in America and Its Poisonous Consquences”
FK, yeah, :yinyang: the boss wanted to get her kids to get her kids to give her some respect, and if I was going they’d go.
The torrent for Friday nights show is posted at
http://www.mininova.org/tor/295425
Thanks fred. The torrents are how I usually listen. :ear:
Anyone hear from Jason lately?
AAR’s new labor show is good.:omg:
Star Spangled Banner!
Xenophobia in a land of Immigrants
http://www.counterpunch.org/chuckman04292006.html
Anyone got a link to hear the Spanish version?
Chinese? German? or other versions?
No joking! I’d love to hear it in MANY different languages. It’s great.
:40: see ya
An interview with Al Gore
KK, that speaks volumes about your character…..
is this the song you wanted to hear in Spanish?
mwah ha ha kerfuffle!
oh shit malloy on ring of fire!!!!!
mike is weird he doesnt have the fire when its not his own show
he is like a normal informed person when hes not doing it for himself
show yourself lurkers!!!!!
Uh, yeah, man, Im here. I’ve just been scoping out my itinerary for my imaginary vacation in Belize. Yup.:bong:Kayaking, snorkeling, Ornithology stuff, uh, sand castles. Stuff like that, and what not
bid watching?
The bids! you know, that Hitchcock movie
The relationship between our civilization and the earth has been radically transformed. Global warming is by far the most serious manifestation of the collision-and Mother Nature is making the evidence ever more obvious
He was right about this back in 2000. He had (and has) his faults, but he was not only right about this, he pushed it forward and treated it as important while he was campaigning. It’s true that once candidates get elected their priorities can change, but I can’t help but believe Gore felt real passion about this and would have kept it at the top of things had he not gotten cheated out of the office he fairly won. What a damn shame, that’s all I have to say…
Hey everyone, busy day today, but I think I’m settled in now…what’s been happening?
Things are cool, I guess. I kinda told Kong I would work on my blog, so I guess I have to do that sometime tonight. But other than that, I’m as free as a bid!
In Brooklyn they say “the boids” I have a pet bid…
Hey, man, don’t forget about beach towel bunnies!
Oh, O.K. Cool!
Getting the country to face up to global warming is his (Gore’s) life’s mission, and it could be his ticket to the presidency.
Do enough people take the environment seriously enough as a real voting issue? I don’t think it shows up very high as issue people care about on most polls.:( Although if a candidate spoke with passion and pushed it, some minds could change
Hmm, the Boids. Yeah, I don’t really know that much about them, but from what I hear is that Belize has, like, the largest reef:bong: in the Western Hem.(Oh, that’s Coral Reef). And there is a blue footed bird thing and some gigantic five-foot tall monster bird- I forget the name. But, yeah, should be cool to imagine for awhile
i need red beans and rice!
:bong:Somebody give the bong– I mean blog– mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Make it live! Don’t let it burn out.
::gives the blog the full monte:::
there, NOW it’s awake, trust me…
Who wants to give me mouth to mouth?:omg:
These are the kind of people who I wish would just officially join the Republican party…his name is Peter Beinart. More here… Peter Beinart has no clothes
Peter Beinart has no clothes
No matter how many times Establishment pundits and politicians contradict themselves and push policy prescriptions that then fall flat on their face, the sheer audacity of these people to continue puffing out their chests as “experts” never ceases to amaze. It’s positively incredible, really – only in politics (and perhaps economics) can someone embrace brazen hypocrisy, make high-profile predictions that end up being wildly off the mark and then not only keep their job, but continue to be billed – and to bill themselves – as a guru.
The most high-profile example of this these days is Peter Beinart of the New Republic. He is running around promoting himself as the Democratic Party’s visionary leader on foreign policy – sententiously berating the Democratic Party for not telling America “what their vision is” on foreign policy.
Beinart, you may recall, is one of the Washington pundits who most loudly echoed the Bush administration’s push for war in Iraq. “If the Democratic Party becomes the anti-war-with-Iraq party…we really will no longer have a 50-50 nation, we’ll have a 60-40 Republican nation,” Beinart declared on Fox News in 2002. “The Democrats will be in a kind of McGovernite wilderness for a generation.” He was, of course, about as far off the mark as one can get. Today, polls consistently show that Iraq has been a major factor in the decimation of President Bush’s approval ratings. And it is no secret that one of the major reasons Democrats haven’t done a better job of capitalizing on those poor numbers is because they have refused to support getting us out of Iraq.
:omg:
I think so – now, more than ever. With gas as expensive as it is, and with us throwing treasure and lives away over oil in the Middle East, and with our economy faultering and jobs headed overseas, I think Gore’s message of Green Technology would go a long way, particulary if expressed as a challenge to the the nation – along the lines of Kennedy’s challenge to get to the moon – to get us off of oil, so we never have to send our young man and women off to die in the desert for oil again.
Gore’s speeches of late have been pretty fiery. I saw him talking on C-span and I couldn’t believe it was the same guy who was running in 2000. He could convince someone because he’d connect what’s happening on a global scale to ordinary people’s lives. It’s a true calling for him I think. I like him more than a lot of other candidates, and I admit environment is a HUGE issue with me.
Politics is power. When you serve power, you can be the biggest hypocrite you want and get away with it. Rush Limbaugh…Adolph Reagan…I could make a big list. So could anyone here.
The time is right toorganize numbers of people on the environmental issues. I mean huge demonstrations==after public meetings to hammer out demands of course. Don’t let the Democrats channel us into their spirit-killing politics this time. If they want to follow, right on. No compromise!
I am so fired up. In the streets baby.
I guess everyone is busy watching the White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner, or something. Bushie starts talking at 10:05 est. and then Colbert:shock: Oh, and I saw Scalia with his stubby little fingers wrapped around a Corona:40: He looked toasted.
Yeah, Scalia looks drunk, but of course Breyer always looks stoned, so what does that say… guess you have to be totally blasted when you have that kind of responsibility
should I really watch George Bush? :rant1:
Scalia smokes stogies?:omg: Hope he smokes in bed–and sleeps alone.:rofl2:
:bong:september!
Hey all,
I’m swingin in my hammock. I love wireless!:love:
A citizens Guide to Impeachment
:banana:
i love wireless too im swinging in my bed in the truck!
I always wanted to drive a truck. I may still. Who’s a good company Sean? W have Swift and Knight here.
The States need to rise up and put the Federal governemnt in its place! STATES RISE UP! :fist:
swift?:yuck:
:barf:
Don’t hold back Sean :tongue:
http://www.dougstanhope.com/aidsybait.html
:spank:
hey!
malloy is bipolar!
Nobody here but me.:omg:
liar!
nap time!
whoa, Colbert was on that show? Alright, it’s rerun this morning at 5:30.
some quotes by Stephen Colbert (stolen from Daily Kos)
I give people the truth unfiltered by factual argument. I call it the No Fact Zone. Fox News, I hold a copyright on that term.
The government that governs best is the government that governs least, and by these standards we have set up a fabulous government in Iraq.
reality has a well known liberal bias
I stand by this man because he stands for things. Not only for things, he stands on things, like aircraft carriers, rubble and recently flooded city squares. And that sends a strong mesasge that no matter what happens to America she will always rebound with the most powerfully staged photo ops in the world!
The greatest thing about this President is you know where he stands. He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday!
Fox News gives you both sides of every story, the President’s side and the Vice President’s side.
Write that novel you’ve got kicking around in your head–you know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the Administration–you know, fiction!
[Jesse Jackson] is a very challenging interview… It’s like boxing a glacier. Enjoy that metaphor by the way because your grandchildren will have no idea what a glacier is.
Mayor Nagin is here from New Orleans, the Chocolate City… Mayor Nagin, I’d like to welcome you to Washington D.C., the Chocolate City with a marshmallow center… and a graham cracker crust of corruption.
Susan: Another person who never sleeps
Later, Susan:peace: I have to crash
Fred!:omg:
oh I sleep, just at the wrong times lately, like the afternoon…
Travis : :omg:
night guys, I’m actually going to sleep for a couple of hours, then travelling out to Jersey to visit my mom. I’ll try to check in sometime during the day if I can.
Stones Guitarist Richards Injured in Fiji
By MIKE CORDER, Associated Press Writer
6 hours ago
SYDNEY, Australia – Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards was hospitalized for a mild concussion he suffered while vacationing in Fiji, reportedly after falling out of a palm tree.
Richards, 62, was injured earlier this week and flown to a New Zealand hospital for treatment, band spokeswoman Fran Curtis said in a statement Saturday.
“Following treatment locally and as a precautionary measure, he flew to a hospital accompanied by his wife, Patti, for observation,” Curtis said.
The statement did not elaborate on Richards’ condition or explain how he was injured
:sheep::sheep::sheep::omg:
Coconuts are dangerous! Damn trees, too!:nod:
Nicki is here, oh ok good
KGO apparently has their wing nuts on in the middle of the night.. so far i have learned
1. Depleted Uranium is not bad for you
2. Nuclear power is good for you
3. Nuclear waste disposal is safe
———————–
The Host is Bill Watenburg .. anyone ever hear of him ?
Keith Richards hospitalized for something other than a blood transfusion, ok then… figures it would be something weird like this. Ok, I should be nicer, get better Keith…
eek no, I don’t want to know about him, sounds like a Limpblaugh clone 🙁
This is as bad as Hartman having someone from the Ayn Rand Institute on. :omg::doh:
Oh yeah, I remember that guest. Libertarians. Freakin drive me nuts.
I wish there was something else on live this time of the day..
Now the Sierra club has become a cult
The Democrats have caused global warming by making power plants burn coal..:omg:
The fortunate part is that he is on for only another half hour
What are you listening to Tyger Thom for? Anyway, he does a good job of trashing that aynimal randible, don’t you think?
Washington State had a Democratic governor in the 1970s who sounds loke this Wartenburg. Her name was Dixie Lee Ray. Transform toxic waste into potato chips.
I think Hartman and the guy from Ayn Rand have a deal.. No one would allow himself get beat up like that for free.
I am working on my artzine. :rofl2:
Didn’t Washington State have a nuclear power project called WOOPs or something like that which was shut down after the cost went into 9 sig figs
:joe::joe::joe: ok, guess I’m staying up, I have to catch an early train anyway.
WHOOPS! Yes. Big boondoggle.People mobilized to kill that bastard.
ok, so I just got the Young Turks on radiopower.org
Colorado had a nuclear power plant at Platteville but it was shut down because it was a maintenance nightmare.
It was a gas reactor as opposed to a light water reactor..
One of the big problems with nuke power is the cost of maintenance.. They almost have to publicly owned to afford the upkeep.
Free Market nazis are so arrogant that they don’t realize when they are getting their asses handed back to them. Ever check out Joe Scarborough on cable? (One thing I like about Joe is that he frequently has real lefties on his show, and he lets them talk.)
You tell the Young Turks “Sikicem”.
One of the best features of RealPlayer is the mute button.
Gas prices! Huh, you come out for the gas companies? Better stories…
LaBamba was a classic, you dolt!
ok sports, I’m using “mute” myself
Orospugu cocugu, Young Turks! Genc Osmanlar!
Suzie needs caffeine now :joe:
That’s the trouble I have listening to Riley in the morning.. The sports comes on and I mute it and then forget to unmute it for twenty minutes.
Cehenim ol, ipneler.
cause you know, this sure radio show isn’t keeping me up.
yeah Riley. I’m tring the AAR stream now, even if it’s on rerun…
They are talking about crossing picket lines. Scabbing.
I like Riley’s sports reporter. Short and humourous.
KPOJ has Ed Schultz on now.
Young Turks is over. Why would Cenk choose that name? The historical Young Turks were fairly awful in a lot of ways. Talk about ethnic cleansing!
“This stream is not available. Please try again later” 🙁
Privatize this, privatize that… by the time the dems get back into office all the government functions will be privatized and everything will cost tens times as much on half the wages.. :fu::fu::fu::mad::rant1:
Yep, they had a thread about that on the Young Turks’ message board
Is Tyger Thom coming on now? “What would Jefferson do?”
The whole Armenian genocide thing. Pretty fucked up name for sure.
yeah, back to radio.org
Susan: You might try the stream launched from the Majority Report Radio web site. That seems to work pretty well.
This privatization has been going on for a long time. Transfer public wealth from the middle classes to the rich. Chomsky used to write about it in Z Magazine years ago. Elites from both parties more or less support the policies. Bush has just accelerated it. This can be turned around.
KGO has this guy Rothmann on until 4 am . He brings us the news and views from Israel with a great deal of bias..
thanks Fred, I will…I’ll keep them both on and go back and forth, I’m a little ADD when it comes to radio stations sometimes…
it’s Thomas Jefferson’s birthday! We will be exploring Jefferson. How did you know, Nicki? :alc:
The false hood is that competition promotes efficiency.. It turns out it is the route to the bottom for the worker,..The idea of a “world economy” makes things even worse.
In the abstract, much of what the CUP strived for was good. There were several strands of it. Some advocated a secular state for all former Osmanli subjects. Pan-Ottomanism The Pan-Turks won out in the early going. Entered WW1 on the side of Germany.
The modern Republic of Turkey is, theoretically, a secular nation. :nixon:
Hartman was traveling to Florida yesterday so his program may be a rerun of a rerun.
This guest is getting me sick 🙄
I am going to turn Tyger Thom off. He is good at criticism of privatization, but his solution is not much better. We need to get away from a system that defers to business. Toward real democracy.
Jefferson is Thom’s bread and butter man.
Kill the Beast once and for all.
Thanks for not responding!
anyone know the link to the Majority Report stream? It seems I can’t get there from their blog
I’m responding!
:jason: kills beast once and for all, at least in her dreams
Thom goes over and over what he thinks the founding fathers had in mind. He leaves out most of the underlying economics of the time. At least Rhodes only goes over history back though RayGun. :nod::mad:
http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/
Yeah. Slavery was the economy of those times.
http://play.rbn.com/?url=airam/airam/live/live.rm&proto=rtsp&end=120:00
If clicking on Listen with Real Player doesn’t work this might not either.
I think a lot of people read into what the Founding Fathers wanted – on both sides of the fence. They get “adopted” by the right and the left for different reasons, but I don’t think the answer lies in the past, whatever spin people put on it. The answer is to figure out what’s right and do it now.
I had a professor who wrote a devestating critique of the founding fathers and the Constitution.
Jerry Fresia, Toward an American Revolution. (He gave me the galley copy.)
Try this:http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php
This group of thugs don’t believe in a “living constitution” .. Its difficult to know what the demodorps believe in. The US should be what the people today want to make it not what someone 200 years ago wanted it to be.
I hear you…I’m was never a pol sci person so I can’t argue details like that, but I do know what’s in the constitution and I know that it’s not a sacred thing and it could be soooo much better. That’s easy for an informed person to see.
The Constitution was designed to protect the elite’s wealth and power. This is the principle that is still being protected.
It’s really easy to argue against those who think the constitution should never be changed. I had a ten year old read a book about 1776 and say to me “why would we want to live like those people? Things are so different now” Out of the mouth of babes – he summed that up nicely. As for those who think it should be changed, it’s frustrating talking to them too…
Well now that the Chili burger has passed through I must see if I can get some sleep.. Will Blog more later.
should I say that most governments are about that goal, either overtly or discreetly? What do you think?
Most governments are about the accumulation of wealth and power. The phrase “absolute power corrupts absolutely” is proving soo soo true.
Yes, virtually aall governments are designed toward that goal. Discreetly in the US. Social decisions are always done behind closed doors, designed to enhance power of the ruling classes.. Then they are thrust on the public through various PR campaigns.
people have such a romantic idea about governments, yeesh. I can’t let myself slip into a really cynical mood though, I don’t want to be depressed and think about having no hope when I’m on the NJ turnpike later 🙁
Well I did read some Howard Zinn, and that helped, I guess I need a little more Chomsky
Maintain the disparity in wealth.
Zinn is good. Read what he says about the Founding Fathers.
Let me briefly define neo-liberalism as an ideology which claims economic activity is best left to the dictates of the free market. This ideology is upheld by dominant international economic institutions such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Trade Organization (WTO). This ideology is implemented and carried out by economic rules and regulations such as “structural adjustment programs”, the “North American Free Trade Agreement” (NAFTA), the “Free Trade Area of the America’s” (FTAA), among numerous others. The declared rationale for these institutions and policies is that free trade will better the future for all people of the world; especially those living in poverty. Of course, we’ve all come to this “Envisioning Post-neoliberalism” conference, so I presume we all have an idea of what’s wrong with this rational.
Neo-liberalism, as an ideology, is a dream dreamt by elite capitalists and has its feet rooted in the ground of a more concrete economic reality – the system of capitalism. Neo-liberal ideologues dream of un-fettered competition, un-fettered greed and un-fettered riches all flowing from un-fettered markets, granting authority to corporate property rights and capital over human rights and environmental protections. Or, put another way, neo-liberalism functions as an ideological cover for the promotion of capitalist interests.
Capitalism is not an ideology, but it’s a very real and easily definable system. Capitalism is comprised of private ownership of productive assets, workplace corporate hierarchies, markets for allocation of goods for production and consumption, and remuneration schemes based on property ownership, luck of inheritance, life circumstance, the genetic lottery or brute force. It’s this very real economic system which gives rise to neo-liberalism. . .
Yeah, I have “People’s History of the United States” I’ll pick up other things as well.
What kills me is that people say greed is ok. There’s a problem with people in this culture that goes so deep I don’t know what to do with it. I mean they just automatically say, without shame, that greed is a good thing. Not all of us automatically accept that, though.
Consider certain features of the lives of three men. The first was a very wealthy man. In l787, many considered him the richest man in all the thirteen states. His will of l789 revealed that he owned 35,000 acres in Virginia and 1,119 acres in Maryland. He owned property in Washington valued (in l799 dollars) at $l9,132, in Alexandria at $4,000, in Winchester at $400, and in Bath at $800. He also held $6,246 worth of U.S. securities, $10,666 worth of shares in the James River Company, $6,800 worth of stock in the Bank of Columbia, and $1,000 worth of stock in the Bank of Alexandria. His livestock was valued at $15,653. As early as 1773, he had enslaved 216 human beings who were not emancipated until after he and his wife had both died.2
The second man was a lawyer. He often expressed his admiration of monarchy and, correspondingly, his disdain and contempt for common people. His political attitudes were made clear following an incident which occurred in Boston on March 5, 1770. On that day, a number of ropemakers got into an argument with British soldiers whose occupation of Boston had threatened the ropemakers’ jobs. A fight broke out and an angry crowd developed. The British soldiers responded by firing into the crowd, killing several. The event has since become known as the Boston Massacre. The soldiers involved in the shooting were later acquitted thanks, in part, to the skills of the lawyer we have been describing, who was selected as the defense attorney for the British. He described the crowd as “a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes, and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish jack tarrs.”3
The life of the third man was more complex, more filled with contradiction than the other two. He was wealthy. He owned over 10,000 acres and by 1809 he had enslaved 185 human beings. States one biographer, “He lived with the grace and elegance of many British lords; his house slaves alone numbered twenty-five.” Yet slavery caused him great anxiety; he seems to have sincerely desired the abolition of slavery but was utterly incapable of acting in a way which was consistent with his abolitionist sympathies. He gave his daughter twenty-five slaves as a wedding present, for example. And when confronted with his indebtedness of $107,000 at the end of his life in 1826, he noted that at least his slaves constituted liquid capital. He had several children by one of his slaves and thus found himself in the position of having to face public ridicule or keep up the elaborate pretense that his slave children did not exist. He chose the latter course and arranged, discreetly, to have them “run away.”4
JK Galbraith died a few hours ago.
Good info, Nicki :nod:
Jefferson, Adams, Franklin
I always thought Ben Franklin was the more interesting of the three…
Arrogant people say such things. Greed creates wealth. Wealth is good for the economy.
Public pressure can blow this sort of talk out of the water. Adam Smith was an enlightened philosopher. He really mistrusted capitalists. Keep them isolated, he said.
Franklin was not among those three.
wait, read it again, that first one was George Washington
Benjamin Franklin of Pennsylvania
He was a printer, scientist, author, diplomat and land speculator who had accumulated a “considerable” fortune. More than anyone at the convention, he was sympathetic to meaningful self-government. Because of this he was known to have serious doubts about the Constitution but signed it anyway. Charles L. Mee, Jr., in The Genius of the People, states, “Franklin disliked the document, thinking it cheated democracy.”
Franklin was the most democratically advanced of the Framers.
yep, I knew I liked him better for a reason.