Hey, it’s Friday, and what a long strange week it’s been. It’s supposed to cool off a bit today, and I certainly hope it does. The a/c here crapped out yesterday, so it was a hot miserable night. I’m not sure what I’ll do tonight (perhaps find a department store to buy a goddamn fan). I want to see the Al Gore movie, but I may put that off until tomorrow. Whattya think? I make a lousy tourist on my own, but I figure I might as well give it a shot. I get one free IMAX ticket a week, so I think I may do one of the Air and Space ones. I have a choice of Roving Mars, Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag, Space Station 3D, and Apollo 13: The IMAX Experience. Plus, with my SI ID badge, I can use the staff entrance and bypass the riff-raff (and I get a 20% discount at the gift shop, not that I’ll buy anything). Anyhow, let’s get this Friday over with. T-64 days and counting.
Dude! Go with the Space Station 3D!..A select few have been aboard…now it’s your turn, or something.:doh: Or go with Apollo 13
:bong:Oh, don’t forget to, uh…uh. Hmm. Never mind.
morning!
Space Station sounds cool to me, too. and can’t they fix your AC?
my plan is to walk early before the air gets really bad. we had some lightening last night but i don’t think any rain. it’s vewy vewy dry here but may get some rain today.
isi, thanks for the heads-up!
:joe::joe::joe::eek::omg::doh:
Good morning.. I think.. maybe.. ??
Love these BuzzFlash headlines
Ernie Fletcher is the Corrupt Governor of Kentucky Who Pardoned Nine Aides So They Wouldn’t Testify Against Him. He’s to Go to Trial Shortly. No Doubt, This Makes Him a Likely Bush Cabinet Appointee and the BuzzFlash “GOP Hypocrite of the Week.”
:omg:
Riley and Bender just discovered that RFK thinks the 2004 election was stolen.
Ding dongs !!!!
:doh::tongue::fustrate::mad: :rant1:
866-303-2270 Somebody call Riley!
Question- Why do you disapprove of the job Bush is doing
:omg:
AAR’s phone is busy.. Does that mean someone actually listens to Riley ??
😡
need :joe::joe::joe:
Yeah, it’s funny, the Bobby Jr article was well done, but nothing all of us haven’t known all along. I hope it gets some mainstream attention before they steal the ’06 elections. I guess it’s important that somebody “legit” said it out loud, finally.
Conyers isn’t legit ?? :omg::omg::joe::joe:
A lot of people read his book but no one tells anyone what to do.. They need a step by step manual to doing something about it.
To take legal action against someone or some government entity would cost about 30k at a minimum and will probably take three to six months to get started.. No typical citizen type has 30k to sue someone over their election process..
Conyers didn’t get any traditional media play, and has been ignored – ostracized, disavowed by his Majority leader, even – by his own party. Maybe Bobby will be able to put a crack in the wall.
There are plenty of people/organizations that could fund a class-action lawsuit. If moveon sent out an e-mail asking for donations for a legal fund, they’d have 30K in an hour.
Nicki, Susan and I had a rather interesting conversation last night about Nazi Germany and the German resistance movement. The left in America today seems to be patterning their action in a similar manner with left wing talk radio looking more and more like the White Rose.. They were obviously totally ineffective in stopping the Nazi’s so why are we repeating that same scenario.. isn’t doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result a sign of insanity. ??
The two lawyers that tried to get to the bottom of the Ohio fiasco originally almost got disbarred by the state of Ohio under their top down corrupt state government.. Its easy to rant about the inequities but to do something you need boots on the ground.
With the current corrupt, incompetent, inept media problems they are unlikely to present any thing that might disagree with the rethug line of thought. Then no one seems to be watching , reading or listening either.. I worked with a Dutch fellow that grew up in Holland during WWII and he told stories of the local radio bringing them the weather forecast .. first the real weather and next there was generally a nightly report of clouds of B17’s, B24’s and B29’s forming toward midnight moving from west to east with a return in the early morning hours .. the nightly drowning of several hundred aircraft kept everyone awake.. and aware. Perhaps the left needs to make more noise..
There are some very violent storms moving through this area and it possibly has knocked their internet off the air…
Comment by Melina — June 1, 2006 @ 7:53 pm
We got hammered here from about 4:00 until 5:20 or so, then lighter rain after that for a couple of hours. We needed the precipitation, but not necessarily the forceful winds and lightning strikes that came with it.
Must be nature’s way of getting our attention on the first day of hurricane season.
Hopefully the rain will hold off tonight. Cheap Trick is playing downtown for FREE!!!
Maron’s all right
Riley’s all right
Brendan’s all right
Jim Earl’s all right
:banana::banana::banana:
:fist:I am just soooooo thankful to Bobbie:!: Maybe SOMEONE will finally listen :nod:
Oh, AND G’DAY TO ALL:!:
ARREST!
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VIGILANCE!
And I am impressed and thrilled that Rolling Stone had “guts” to print the article.:banana:
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These days I am not sure who reads Rolling Stone but the younger people ( below the age of 50 at least) are the ones that are going to solve this problem and for the most part are the ones not listening. If they don’t they are going to have to live with it and perhaps be destroyed by it..
How about them Hurricanes! People are still out at the RBC Center celebrating. It doesn’t hurt that Stanley Cup tickets go on sale at 8:00 this morning.
Fred, B-29s did not operate in the European theatre during WWII. The runways in England weren’t long enough. However, I do agree that drowning all those aircraft was very tragic. And noisy, too.
I get RS free for paying for Salon Premium. They had a very good article about whether Bush is the worst president ever, had an interesting article about the pentagon’s spy infrastructure, and, well, if you want to read a shitload of excellent articles, check out their politics archive, have a look at their main politics page, and even look over their politics links.
I don’t look at the music stuff, ‘cuz I’m old and don’t know who most of the groups or people are, but they’re doing better reporting than most of the tradtional media.
recons or rethugs or The Toxic Slime are fearful of BK’s article :banana:
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pjsauter, re #21 Thx 😉 and every “site” main title is “The Rolling Stone” :hubba:
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OOPS change 29 to 25 and a lot did drown ( ended up in the North Sea) but that wasn’t what I meant..The spelling checker and the spelling creator both screw up once in a while..ok quite often thanks.. though..
Crap! The AAR site is screwed up.
Krista: What about it is screwed up ?? Seems to work from this direction.
I haven’t been able to access the AAR site for months now. Blogging there? Fugedaboutit!
lately certain AAR sites have come up “forbidden” on my browser…like the Majority Report, for instance…
It’s working now. I couldn’t log in. I had the same prob yesterday
Interesting note:
I posted a negative comment last night on marc’s website during the show and Marc came after me 😯
I just saw that Isi. Marc was just being defensive. I don’t think he hates you.:peace:
last I checked, the Nazis lost eventually! 😉
Damn, I’m gonna have to blog over there too…I heard that he’s been posting. I’ll try to be nice though:nod:
fred, :banana::rant1::banana: 😉
Isi, NickiRose, Kristapea, and SusanJoy I thought it was an AAR conspiracy, since AAR would disappear everytime it was a “hot” issue.
ARREST!
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gotta go check isi’s comment!
ps walking earlier worked out (plus we got 1/4 inch rain last night! – less than you though, Kev. added bonus – could let the girls romp at the high school without the “dog nazi” football coach yelling at me to “get them dogs off that field.” Hey! I pick up after my dogs. :rant1:
AAR could be doing something to get more people to subscribe to premium. Their stream has been down quite often lately. Maybe part of that is keeping people off the blog, etc. I’m not the paranoid type, but I’m not the only one noticing these things
Isi, What did you say, if you don’t mind? Did Marc say something when my “stream” was :mad:down?:eek:
:yawn:
I always have to leave when this site gets a goin’.
:yawn:
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Actually, you’ll probably get Marc to respond more with criticism than with praise 😉 I think we have a button to push! :tongue:
Druid, I posted a critical comment about his interview with Weir and he replied real time on the blog. It’s on the blog for all to see :tongue:
Depends on the response we want! But maybe he’s more used to that kind of rapport with people than people who just suck up to him. Looking for the remark now…
pfew, the isi/maron thing ended on a high note… :gate:
After I explained that I support him and the show I think he stopped being ticked off at me 😀
I think it’s cool that he’s blogging with the Common Folk, whatever he says! It says a lot about him 🙂
KP, are you a shit-stirrer? :nod:
No shit!:fu:
Drud: Thanks for the support over on Rachel’s blog.. AAR’s blogs are a good example of why the left is so ineffective.
I know the nazis lost eventually..but it didn’t happen from within.. I don’t think Americans will like mushroom clouds forming in their back yards.. ( the 21st century version of Dresden, Munich and Berlin)
i know it was a wise-ass comment, fred. apologies.
lately certain AAR sites have come up “forbidden” on my browser…like the Majority Report, for instance…
Comment by Susan Joy — June 2, 2006 @ 8:36 am
I had that problem with the MajorityReportRadio site on Wednesday.. They were down while they coped with a spamming attack or something.
Isi, He felt you were right but he was defensive. You two did do what that site is for — talking about thoughts and feelings and The Issues. It was PERFECT, ending with :love:
I wish I could read my AAR blogs — which are partly cryptic, since the joining of MAC and PC 😮
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ok, that explains why the site was down…it seems to be working right now (as is the AAR stream).
Fred, :nod:
Oh no, I was talking to Fred123 :rofl2: 😉
but do know I will be coping it when I awake, since you had great :idea:s.
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Farmerkat, Marc did mention you and Mr. again last night — WHEN MY STREAM WAS WORKING :growl:. It made me “warm and fuzzy” thinking of you two 😉
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I guess if they didn’t think that training in the use of Wrist Rockets and rocks was appropriate they wouldn’t go for training in Negroponte political techniques either.
For some reason I get the impression some people don’t take this situation very seriously.
Hey Portland Seditionists :nixon:
Daniel Pinchbeck
Upcoming Event
Thursday, June 15th 2006 07:30 PM
Powell’s Books on Hawthorne, Portland, OR
Not just Haditha
fred, :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
:yawn::yawn:
hAVE A gREAT dAY aLL — G’Night 😉
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The Jews and the “Good Germans” turned the other cheek to the Nazi’s in the 1930’s and history proved that didn’t work.. Where are we in this scenario 1936 or 1942 or some combination of these time lines ?? How much time do we have to achieve a political solution and if we do how much time do we then have to spend keeping that solution viable ??.. Stepping on cockroaches gets rid of a few but is that the desired result ?? Don’t they just multiply and come back ??
Iran to the big six :fu:
Iran to go ahead with nuclear enrichment
Iran will not stop its nuclear enrichment activities, despite mounting international pressure, a top official said on Friday. “Iran is determined to go ahead with its nuclear enrichment work for peaceful purposes,” the deputy head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization Mohammad Saeedi told Iran’s students news agency ISNA.
His comments came before major world powers were to deliver on Friday a pivotal proposal to Iran combining incentives to halt work that could produce nuclear weapons with a threat of U.N. Security Council action if it refuses. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Iran had
weeks, not months, to respond. But Saeedi reiterated that Iran’s nuclear enrichment activities were non-negotiable. “Iranian nation will not let us give it up,” he said.
Rice also held out the possibility that she meet Iranian officials if Tehran halts atomic fuel work and agrees to talks with major powers. Saeedi repeated Iran’s official view, saying Iran was open to talks with Washington, which broke ties with Tehran in 1980, but it would not agree to the U.S. precondition that atomic fuel work be frozen first.
“America’s wanting to enter nuclear talks is like someone who wants to play football … but sets conditions before his qualification is approved,” Saeedi said.
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They would just love to see Putin and HU and GW having a repeat of 1962.
:omg:As soon as you quit making waves on Rachel’s blog it goes back into denial.. How do you keep the fool’s focused.. ???:gate::omg::omg:
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repeat 2000 times
:joe::eek:wuh?
You 123 fred?
You knitting a pirate flag?
It just amazes me that people are now just beginning to accept that the votes were hacked or people were prevented from voting.
This is the issue that made me come over to AAR and stop listening to the Morning Edition. Randi was talking about it as was Thom Hartman.
Ed Shultz was shutting down any conversation about it (Yeah I know he is on Jones radio network but Marc has been mentioning he is listening to him lately.) Ed lost any credibility with me then.
I had a small campaign to get some local bookstores to order Conyers book when it was released a year ago- Hartman mentioned it on the local Portland show and Powell’s in Portland only had a couple of copies hidden away. I bought them and gave them to friends and ordered some more from my local bookstore.
I am very glad that Rolling Stone is publishing this RKJ article.
Back to my:knit:
No back to work. two customer visits then the long drive from Medford to Portland and the rain is slamming.
Looks like the rules of engagement let the military kill the Iraqi’s if they can’t win their hearts and minds.
http://www.rawstory.com/
Read there two top headlines.
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The deal with the knitting is… in this business there is a lot of put it together and take it apart folllowed by some amazement followed by repetition and boredom..
In the case that post made no sense.
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So, Al has a bit where a Joisey guy calls in as Frank in the car. It’s okay but it reminds me of a Maron/Earl bit.
I wonder if those other stories will get any m$m time. Not that I remember Vietnam at all but when I see footage from that era just about everything seems so similar. I was watching something on PBS about the protests and in one scene, a bunch of people were holding up a huge banner that said, “Support our Troops- Bring Them Home”
I think Al noticed that a lot of Americans get their news off the TEEVEE from what they see on Leno and SNL so he tries to imitate them on the radio. A little bit is ok but …:yawn::yawn:
What you see going on today is a repeat of the 1970’s and the protests against the Vietnam war just that the M$M is on the wrong side so most people don’t see it happening this time. What you don’t see is the under 30 crowd demonstrating because they are insulated from what is going on because they don’t utilize the M$M and there is no draft..to whisk them away to some jungle somewhere.
Apparently that’s what we learned from Vietnam, to not show the carnage and not institute a draft so the young folk stay distracted with their culture and love life and don’t go out and protest.
I should say that’s what THEY learned
What have we learned in fighting fascism? I dunno.
Maybe we need to promote protests as a way to for young folk to “hook up”. It really is a great way to meet people. Get some good music and you’ve satisfied the 2 main concerns of young people.
You got yer online dates, yer blind dates, speed dating and now, protest dating!
Don’t click on this link if you do not want to see the photos.
my god
yep, americans sure believe in the sanctity of life….
when you have creeps like gibson talk about other human beings like he did here, people think they’re sub-human. Guess we’re back to the nazi discussion again; isn’t that how they spoke about Jews (she asked rhetorically).
The Hague will want to interview the entire army pretty soon. Hopefully we can get the thugs in charge and those in their congress before them too
None of the Reich wing Denver papers have made a mention of the RFK story yet.. surprise.. surprise..
a little funny
#78 :rofl2:
Well Big Eddy DLC Shultz can’t see any reason to talk about the RFK article because “all he does is present a bunch of facts but no solutions..” So what does Ed do most of the time ??:barf::spank::rant1:
What’s wrong with John Gibson? 😮
I suppose as long as the Dixie Chicks wear berkas they would be ok in IRAN..
gibson’s comment – made worst person in the world by KO
What’s wrong with John Gibson?
Comment by isi — June 2, 2006 @ 3:19 pm
Well he works for FAUX news to start with.
he subs for O’liely
That should be enough but after that article..:barf:
just awful
How embarrassing for a guy who hosts a show to momentarily exude uncontrollable, child-like admiration for a guy who’s music had a profound impact on his life and moves him even now and not seem obsessively concerned with the political action group the guy didn’t even have anything to really do with. Horrendous.
Submitted by marc maron on June 2, 2006 – 1:01am.
I went over yesterday’s Maron show blog and found nothing particularly “angry” or what ever in Maron’s posts. Frenetic explanations and so forth. Hell. It is cool that he is paying attention there.
Does he ever blog here? Fuck no!:omg:
I also noticed that there are a lot of people over there who no longer post here. What about it, gypsy? Ol’ Zeb. B@B. QC. Lots of folks. This blog is lively, even without them. But still…………
From my encounter on Rachel’s blog this am and on the MR blog there are a lot of AAR listeners who are there for the entertainment and/or the wet dream and not for the content.. This blog seems to be more content oriented.. no conversations about cheese here.:doh::rant1:
:rofl2:
sorry, isi, my post was not too appropriate after yours, but I’m listening to last night’s shooowww.
i know, that’s what got me, too. in angus talk – “wanker”
fk, no problem! Jim’s funny is so low key sometimes it comes and goes before you realize it.
Oops, I guess that was from Angus not Jim 😀
Angus, what a character.
who does angus?
who does angus?
wow, i didn’t realize it was kent all this time…he’s pretty dog’gon versatile, isn’t he?
“The United States supported and, in many cases, engendered every right-wing military dictatorship in the world after World War II – Indonesia, Greece, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Haiti, Turkey, the Philippines, Guatemala, El Salvador and, of course, Chile …
“Hundreds of thousands of deaths took place in those countries … but you wouldn’t know it. The crimes of the U.S. have been systematic, constant, vicious, and remorseless but very few people have actually talked about them.
“You have to hand it to America. It has exercised quite a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s brilliant, even witty, a highly successful act of hypnosis. How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal?”
Gunter Gras
:rofl2:
(my funny bone is in overdrive today!)
The Majority Report can be quite fun. Good politics and so forth. Some real characters blog there, too. (I like it that one can set up several identities while blogging.)
Haditha is Not an Aberration
More, Lots More
By MIKE FERNER
Would somebody please tell me that the corporate news media is talking about U.S. war crimes in Iraq besides just the civilians killed in Haditha?!
I can only hope that my fellow citizens are not being told that this latest outrage tumbling out of Iraq is some isolated incident; that Herr Rumsfeld will diligently investigate it, and dispense timely justice to all guilty parties (below the rank of Lieutenant, of course).
JUST in case your Uncle Bob or Aunt Sophie has been asking you “Exactly what the hell is going on in Iraq?” and you’re looking for hard facts to help them get off the fence, here you are.
Keep in mind these are just a few instances compiled by one citizen sitting in Toledo with an old computer connected to the internet – an indication that there just might be even more going on.
Keep in mind also, that the following acts are criminal violations of the law not just because they are really horrid inhumanities, but because Congress, the U.S. Constitution, and international law (yes, there are international laws binding on the U.S.) explicitly prohibit the very kinds of atrocities now rotting at the feet of George W. Bush. Each section below begins with the relevant law or treaty violated in Iraq or Afghanistan. Every one of them, and more, are documented at the Veterans For Peace website …
http://www.counterpunch.org
While sucking up to Pat Robertson’s vicious religious lunacy on the 700 Club, Howard Dean insisted, “I don’t think that the first thing on our agenda is gonna be to get in a big partisan fight about whether the President should be impeached or not.” Democratic House Leader Nancy Pelosi’s spokesperson put it more bluntly, “Impeachment is off the table; she is not interested in pursuing it.” Even John Conyers has conceded in advance, “Rather than seeking impeachment, I have chosen to propose a comprehensive oversight of these alleged abuses.”
As for the war, the police-state spying, and the widespread networks of torture, Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Dodd put it well when he described the Democrats’ strategy not to run “to the left of President Bush on national security but to the right.” Of course, Hillary Clinton leads the pack with her refusal to rule out nuking Iran: “We cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran.”
And then there is Bob Casey, the new Democratic star, running for senator from Pennsylvania. Will the fundamental rights of women really be any better protected if Dark Ages Santorum is replaced with the anti-abortion, pro-Alito Casey?
With choices like this it should be obvious to anyone possessing the courage to be honest that the will of the people will not be expressed in the 2006 elections. And if people allow their opposition, finances, time and energies to be funneled into this, one way or another on November 3 we’ll all be gritting our teeth listening to one candidate or another declare a popular “mandate” on all of this.
No matter what you may tell yourself you are doing, you will be pouring your time into politicians who are OPENLY pro-war, pro-repression and intent on kowtowing to theocrats.
Sunsara Taylor
fred. If you want to continue our discussion from yesterday, here is a good starting point to deal with your point that the Germans did not organize against the nazis (In the late 1930s).
[In 1933] Adolf Hitler’s Nazis came to power in Germany, partially due to the fact that the Social Democratic Party of Germany and the Communists refused to form an anti-Nazi coalition government. Within months, the Nazis outlawed the Communist Party, then arrested and executed most of its members, including Thälmann himself. (wikipedia)
My assertion is that prior to the nazis election victory and illegal consolidation of power in the aftermath, that there was a huge struggle in Germany.
During the years of the Weimar republic the KPD was the largest communist party in Europe, and was seen as the “leading party” of the communist movement outside the Soviet Union. It maintained a solid electoral performance, usually polling more than 10% of the vote, and gaining 100 deputies in the November 1932 elections. In the presidential election of the same year, Thälmann took 13.2% of the vote, compared to Hitler’s 30.1%.When hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933 only the KPD had protested and as a result its politicians were inprisond before the vote.
However the “social fascism” policy meant that there was no possibility of a united front with the SPD against the rising power of the Nazis. Both the KPD and Stalin disastrously miscalculated the Nazi threat, assuming that the Nazis were no immediate threat and that a Nazi regime would quickly collapse.[YIKES!] Many in the KPD thought the fall of the “bourgeois” Weimar Republic would be a good thing and that Hitler would be the “ice-breaker of the revolution.” There was even some collaboration between the KPD and the Nazis against the SPD government in Prussia, Germany’s largest state. {Oh fuck!]
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Enabling Act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the German law passed in 1933 at the beginning of the Third Reich. For other laws of that name see Enabling act.
The Enabling Act (Ermächtigungsgesetz in German) was passed by Germany’s parliament (the Reichstag) on March 23, 1933. It was the second major step after the Reichstag Fire Decree through which the Nazis obtained dictatorial powers using largely legal means. The Act enabled Chancellor Adolf Hitler and his cabinet to enact laws without the participation of the Reichstag.
A 21st Century Comparison of The Enabling Act and The Patriot Act
Last September, German Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin pointed out that George Bush is using Iraq to distract the American public from his failed domestic policies. She capped her statement by reminding her audience: “That’s a popular method. Even Hitler did that.” What was lost in the reactions to Ms. Daeubler-Gmelin’s comments was that she wasn’t comparing Bush to the Hitler of the late 1930s and early 1940s; but to the Hitler of the late 1920s and early 1930s.
Most Americans have forgotten that Hitler came to power legally. He and the Nazi Party were elected democratically in a time of great national turmoil and crisis. They themselves had done much to cause the turmoil, of course, but that’s what makes the Bush comparison so compelling.
Similar to the Bush administration, the Nazis were funded and ultimately ushered into power by wealthy industrialists looking for government favors in the form of tax breaks, big subsidies, and laws to weaken the rights of workers. When the Reichstag (Germany’s Parliament building) was set ablaze in 1933 (probably by Nazis), the Nazis framed their political rivals for it. In the general panic that followed, the German Parliament was purged of all left-wing representatives who might be soft on communists and foreigners, and the few who remained then VOTED to grant Chancellor Hitler dictatorial powers. A long, hideous nightmare had begun.
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History teaches us that it is shockingly easy to separate reasonable and intelligent people from their rights. A legally elected leader and party can easily manipulate national events to whip up fear, crucify scapegoats, gag dissenters, and convince the masses that their liberties must be suspended (temporarily, of course) in the name of restoring order. Consider the following two statements, and see if you can identify the authors.
Statement Number One: “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
Statement Number Two: “To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve.”
The first statement is a quote from Hitler’s right hand man, Hermann Goering, explaining at his war crimes trial how easily he and his fellow Nazis hijacked Germany’s democratic government. The second statement is a quote from Bush’s right hand man, John Ashcroft, defending the Patriot Act and explaining why dissent will no longer be tolerated in the age of terrorism. If that doesn’t send chills down your spine, nothing will.
Vigilance, People!
So, Al has a bit where a Joisey guy calls in as Frank in the car. It’s okay but it reminds me of a Maron/Earl bit.
Comment by Kristapea — June 2, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
Except Maron/Earl bits are funny. :yawn:
If not for the outstanding regulars like Joe Conason, David Brock and Tom Oliphant, I don’t think I would be able to get through Franken’s show anymore. Every time he does one of these lame “comedy” bits, it just makes me miss Katherine Lanpher.
Please, Al, declare your candidacy. We beg of you. :bow:
The yawn emoticon in my previous post was for Al, not for Maron and Earl. I saw what happened to isi last night. 😉
Ok so by changing a few words one could take the description of Germany in the late 1920’s and it would sound a lot like the USA today. Since technology has advanced into parallel processing we also have bits of Germany and western Europe in the early 30’s, late 30’s and early 40’s running in parallel. The question I have is why didn’t the German Communist party resist ?? Why didn’t they organize and fight instead of capitulating and allowing them selves to be rounded up and executed ?? We know that many Jews fled in the late 1930’s. Why didn’t the German communists flee to other countries ?? .. Was it surprise on the part of the German government ?? .. lack of communication ?? Lack of will ?? Pure stupidity ?? Allowing your self to be rounded up and hung is not struggling… A lot of the French fled into north Africa when France fell to the Germans , formed and trained an army and offered support for the french underground and came back to take control of France after the war.
I need to get moving. Lots of things to do today!!!!!!!:omg: (I can’t knit.)
Read instead of running your mouth. They did resist. They did leave the country. I can’t believe you are writing this bullshit!
(The KPD also fucked up by buying into the social fascist position vis-a-vis the SPD.) Perhaps I should not have posted the enabling act parallel stuff. The Constitution, as flawed as it is, does provide legal protections. The nazis were able to sweeep away the Weimar Republic’s “constitution” with out too much trouble.
Oh yeah, you are right, fred. As soon as hitler was installed as chancellor, all of the leftists, liberals and trade unionists gave up and marched dutifully to Dachau. That was the law.
This strikes me as funny.
BTW Druid, why is the pet store selling frozen mice? To feed to snakes?
Read history. :omg:
That army captain on Rhodes’s show is one dipstick!
:mad::fu::omg:
Gee, I was gonna go over to the Prince George’s Mall (about 4 miles from here), but they just had a shooting somewhere in Prince George’s – two adults and an infant murdered. Maybe I ought to stay away.
On the bright side, the a/c is back on (such as it is). I guess they reset the chiller. I wonder if I show ’em my Refrigeration Maechanic journeyman card, they’ll give me a mechanical room key and knock something off the rent?
Well Nicki I reread what you posted several times and still find no struggling.. The German Communists, the German Social Democrats and the Nazi’s sound a lot like how the US would be with three political parties and while the German Communists had a fair share of the vote they did not have enough of a share to be a true political force.. What did they do when the German government started rounding them up ? What did the Social Democrats do ?? I get the impression that the Nazi’s had guns while the other parties had books and soap boxes. I can hear them yelling.. “But I have my rights” as they hauled them away.
I know. As soon as hitler took charge, all of the progressives went in formation, and marched off to their local concentration camps. Good Germans, you know.
One thing to keep in mind re: Germany is the German tradition of militarism and obediance. Very Klingon. Add the humiliation of WWI and Versailles, the inability to pay reparations with the USA having receded into isolationism (all but removing itself from world trade) leading to massive inflation and poverty, and Germany was ripe to allow the National-Socialist German Workers Party (promising worker’s rights and national pride) to take control.
9/11 helped the same process along here, but the neocons have mostly been terrible for the economy and the working class, so their support is dwindling. I think there’s much less chance for the same thing to happen here. In the Soviet Union, they rolled the tanks, but the drivers got out and joined with Yeltsin. I don’t think the US military is likely to stand by our “leaders” here, either. At least I hope not.
I think you are right PJ the army is as ticked off as the rest of us. Murtha would not be talking if they were happy about the situation and his views are those of a lot of the Mid level brass at the Pentagon. I hope they have turned off Bushes football just like they did Nixon’s.
When they built the tech campus where my employer is the main occupant back in the 1980’s they put in a huge diesel generator ( two 2200 Hp detroit diesels). It provides not just back up power but will supposedly run the whole place at full power. When it didn’t start last spring I indicated I knew at least what a diesel engine and its controls looked like so I got appointed to be mother to the back up generator. This last Christmas we finally got it completely back up and set up so it starts and automatically transfers the building power when the house power goes off.. The only documentation we have is a bunch of schematics.. The process of figuring out what controlled the engine radiator cooling fans almost gassed all the neighbors. Two huge cold engines put out huge clouds of blue smoke until they get warmed up and for a while they never did get warmed up.
That was sure a quick gloss on 1920s Germany. There was a lot more going on there. Weimar!:omg:
Sorry, can’t type to save my life on a regular keyboard, let alone on this laptop. If I could get my father-in-law to blog, he could give you a much better rundown, having lived through it.
The neocons German equivalent were Big Industrialists and their lackeys. The nazis are something like the christian reconstructionists–who have little popular support, unlike the…
My intention for this discussion is not to make misleading parallels between the nazis and bushco. It was to prove that the Germans put up a huge resistance against the nazis, especially prior to 1933. Read your history.
:tongue:Wurkin’ & Lurkin’ and a Readin’ this WONDERFULLY Informative Blog :tongue:
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oh my god, I’m SOAKING wet…
I don’t even think we talked about Bushco much, let alone make parallels…we were just talking about the resistance, and how though it was of a different nature it was still to be admired, and that the Germans did fight.
Sounds like its raining in Susan land.. or… 🙄
I’m Wickipediaing German history at the moment.. The MR blog was still kaput a short time ago. Now if i can just stay awake..
Looks like the MR blog came alive again
are you guys familiar with the Milgram experiments?
PJ, did you decide on your weekend activities?
Fred, even though we don’t really talk “cheese” on this blog, i hope the occasional donkey/animal/teenager post is a-ok.
speaking of the teen, something you all may be able to relate to – he discovered cheap rum…. not happy at underage but two things resulted:
1) he used a designated driver to get home :banana:
2) he said, “thanks mom, i’m a light-weight with alcohol just like you.” (heh heh!)
we’ve talked so we’ll hope some lessons were learned while the kid is still under my roof.
(the film of the expriment is very powerful.)
Summer in the city 😎
I am sort of familiar with the Milgram Experiments.
Sobering results.
very sobering – everyone is capable of doing the worst – frightening
so sad it’s funny, or the other way around.
Nothing specific. It’s supposed to rain in the AM, so I’ll see how long it takes to clear up, and then head downtown. Probably due the stuff around the mall, for starters.
I didn’t catch the Business Travel part. Oy!
Hmm. I’ll have to lok at my German history. As I recall, the beer hall putsch of 1923 was a failure, though it got Hitler some noteriety. There was little public support for the Nazi Party, though they had some people in place in the Weimar government and army. They made alliances with the conservative, monarchist elites, with Hitler offering political backing in exchange for what the conservatives thought would be a limited role in the government for him, if the alliance won election. They thought Hitler was an ignorant clod that they could control.
In 1929 and 1930 (thanks in part to the Great Depression), the Nazis were able to attract support from the bourgeois moderate right (including Protestant agrarians), white-collar workers, and the upper bourgeoisie, young people, and the unemployed.
In January 1933 Hitler made a deal with the conservatives that brought him the chancellorship (just as the Nazi party was losing momentum and votes). As chancellor, Hitler launched an all-out attack on his enemies and rivals, and by that summer, he’d defeated virtually all of them. In August 1934, Hitler made himself supreme leader (Fuhrer) of Germany.
Anyhow, I don’t recall all that much resistance to Hitler prior to 1933, though unlike others, I’m no expert. At any rate, any resstance was unsuccessful, due to luck, Hitler’s cunning, the depression, the German army saving Hitler’s Storm Troopers after chancellor Bruning had dissolved it (and Hitler’s subsequent cruching of it under Ernst Roehm after it no longer suited Hitler’s purposes), and the rather naive stupidity of those who thought they could control Hitler. There was some rather valiant resistance from 1933 – 1945, though it was – obviously – under difficult conditions.
By the way, next Tuesday in 06/06/06. Just sayin’.
Hey isi, just getting around to reading your convo w/ marc on his blog (though I haven’t had a chance to listen to the show; I think I’ll walk around DC listening to a week’s worth of TMMS). I plan to have Brokedown Palace as the final song at the end of my wake (a live, acoustic version). I saw the GD in Syracuse on Bobby’s 5th wedding anniversary, and Phil surprised Bobby by bringing his wife out for the encore, which was Brokedown Palace.
Far be it for me to say, “bummer.”
Made it to #101 and must continue wurkin’ and ISI, I called a few pet stores re #110 (I saw my name:banana:) :banana::growl: since that story reminded me I BUY TONS OF FOOD FOR HYBRID, (once Stray) Cats. and (once on death-row) MANY RATS :banana::growl: (and I was born in the Year of the Snake:grin:) and not to make enemies, but snakes should be where they are from…and said this is now an issue for me…(and, I know, for many others):!:
THANK YOU ISI, for reminding me :growl:
(re :growl:, I think I lived with wolves for too many years.:rofl2:) 😉
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Major Gen or WE (whatever) Casy is a MAJOR BITCH:!:
(but bloody AAR Blog is fading in and out:growl:)
Kat!!! Oh my god!!!
And poor Mr FK stuck in Baghdad while all of this goes on!
Thank goodness you have such a smart boy!
I went out to dinner with Will quite by accident after the bird vet, (just our well bird visit,) when we found a japanese hibachi place and decided on the spur of the moment to do the fire on the table thing…. and he started to tell me the stories of the different kids in the hospital.
This one has a mom who is a stripper, that one has a mom who had her when she was 14!!!!!!!!! 14!!!
This one cuts, that one tried to commit suicide, that little cute blonde one was dealing drugs in school and just quit smoking!!!
But as much as Will was really difficult last night, and he seems to go up and down, he is generally on the upswing and very clear about what he thinks he will do or not do.
But I still gave him the condom talk…no question,he can have some whenever he wants and I wont say a word…he must never make a mistake on this. I may get him some early just to have around to blow up into balloons! (woudl that be encouraging him? He is just so handsome, tall and empathetic…the girls love him already!)
We live in a neighborhood out in the country enough that many local kids have died needlessly and stupidly while drunk driving, so I dont think we’ll have that problem…hopefully not. I always tell him that I will come and get him no matter what, no matter when or where…I tell Ben that too, but ding dong, he walked home the other day when the school buses abandoned the returning field trip kids …stranded at his school and his mom doesnt drive….ugh!! And he lost his cell phone, no one would help him…… he lives in a neighborhood where the crips and bloods are fighting and Haitians (which he is) are getting shot for some reason…makes me crazy to think of him walking a mile or more home in that!
Oh well….Kat, I hope your boy has a bad hangover and is really sick! Thats usually enough to stop them a little!
Congratulations on living through that!
What did Mr have to say?…did you tell him?
Did someone say something about the fluff talk on this blog?….I havent read through yet, but Im not stopping talking about my kid and animals….its as natural for me as politics and actually makes the politics all worth it.
Re#110
I currently have 96 frozen mice in my freezer….I buy in bulk for my 2 snakes…the basement snake hunts his own…rats, by now I think…but the place that I get the mice from offers everything from baby pinkies in bulk packages of 50, to frozen rabbits and guinea pigs, for the larger reptiles out there;-)
Hey Melina. Actually, I think somebody remarked on how this blog is lively, and w/o fluff. I have to agree. There are some interesting discussions, and I feel like we’re all family here, and so we naturally want to hear about what is important to each other. So keep it up. You guys are really helping to keep me company here.
ISI re #74, I had to back away since I was so mortified and 🙁 and :growl: and feels like wishing I had huge finger bones so I can go up to the rethugs and :fist: (a good “right=wrong” hook):wink:
— but I have been like this since I heard:!:
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Yea, April — you go get “snow” girl
other MEDIA R E S P O N D and do the same!
See, this is what I dont like about what Marc did….
I LOVE Marc and all of his needy and self centered quirkiness, but he has to realize in this blogging thing is that you host a blog to make people feel at home and to get honest feedback from them.
If you chime in with a snotty comment when someone says something you dont like, then its like big brother is watching and you dont get the honesty you want…people actually feel funny and self edit.
Like poor Kevin who has already been victimized by Riley for something that I said!! Now hes worried that Marc is lurking and something will be misconstrued that he says in response to something else!!
Just like Riley shut down any communication on his blog by shutting down the core fans with his snotty response and accusing a person who didnt say it!
So, Marc…if youre lurking here…We love you more than any group of fans should love a performer/personality/person…but we need to know that we can spout off just like you and Jim can and still love you, without you getting mad at us!!…
I dont mind people lurking, but there is something about the person who the blog is about not saying hi or something…it just sits wrong with me…
Also, Isi, I sorta disagreed with you. I thought he was Ok with Weir when I listened to it today. But I also thought that he really overreacted to what you said, and then realized what he had done and backed off.
He is just obsessed with the whole thing, and I completely understand that because I would be (am) too….and hes got anger issues (:nod:) so he gets touchy easy…
Marc…just breathe deeply…count to 10…relax….read your book…
And if youre still mad…its Kevin’s fault!!!
Actually I just got my son this deepak chopra video game that you control by relaxing your biofeedback waves…so you wear these things on your fingers and the more you get into a relaxed state with your breathing and heart rate the more you progress through the game…Its called Journey to Wild Divine
Worth a look, though we havent tried it yet…Ill let you all know how it is.
Melina, I do not have a problem with you….we will write in a bit:wink::love:
I dunno. As long as you’re not hateful or intentionally trying to cause pain, I figure anything goes. In “black & white” text, it’s easy to get taken the wrong way. But if I can say I didn’t like or agree with this, that, or the other thing, anybody else has the right to disagree.
I don’t think Marc lurks here, though. Mark maybe (or Mark’s wife, who – understandably, I guess – doesn’t like to see her husband dissed. But I doubt Marc stops by here Somebody – way back – said that this was just a Marc fansite. I don’t agree with that. We’re all fans of Marc, to be sure, but I think this is a lot more than a “fan” site.
I am, however, a fan of this “chillable red” in a box. :alc:
Hey, it’s Bobby from the Sopranos on with Greg Geraldo.
Laura Croft is on, :banana:A Woman that “kicks slime butts”….:banana:
By the way, next Tuesday in 06/06/06. Just sayin’.
Comment by pjsauter — June 2, 2006 @ 9:40 pm
Oh Fuck, I’m gonna be on a plane.:knit2:
Kristapea- you will be safe as long as you have your knitting.
Here here Pj- I do think Marc checks in here- I just came in from a 5 hour drive and the last two podcasts. Marc called himself a Maronite twice and mentioned the Seditionists.
:bow::rabbi:
Must eat something. There’s a rose festival here tomorrow…
FarmerKat- nice interview with MR and great comments on Wed show about you and the blogs.
Melina glad Will is back with you.
:joe::joe::joe:
hey Seditionists!!!
:banana:
did everyone go away?? that’s what usually happens when i hang out here:smack:
By the way, next Tuesday in 06/06/06. Just sayin’.
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😉 and for tonight and “The Red” Cheers :alc:
Oh Fuck, I’m gonna be on a plane.
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Fly High and Strong Always :knit: 😉
No, I think it’s me…
sbluefox, Hi, We seem to have different hours.:wink:
I thought it was me!:tongue:
nah. It’s pretty obvious if you look to see where everybody went, and that nobody even gave me a heads up.
I check in whenever I can- I think you are saying G’night, Good Mornin ’bout when I get up.
Where is Seanie Sean?
:fire:
What a long string of commercials on the stream!
Susan Joy, :love::wink:
unk re Seanie Sean, I miss him though since I am becoming the :fustrate::growl::rant1: :mad::doh: now 🙁
— and we never got to talk re the sexy :rofl2::doh:
I saw Travisdem_04 yesterday but before I could write other things happened 🙁
It’s Friday night and I am worried about Travisdem since he got knocked out after :40:
Hey Druid
Do you know any Seattle Druids?
:fu:
I refuse to go there
was it something I said?:billcat:
4 lurkers here! :omg::omg::omg::omg::rofl2:
go where?
worry world?
Hey Nicki we need to get gypsy’s computer fixed so she can come over here.
I’m furious
About what? :paranoid:
this goddamn stream just crapped out on me…
I’m so depressed I can’t take it
Marc is a phony :tongue:
He dissed my comment on air, so f him.
Oh..maddening:omg:
But what is all this invisability going on?
I have an appointment tomorrow and my battery here is in the red.
Goodnight all.
But I can’t leave if you are so depressed.:cry:
:tongue: pant, pant, pant running between blogs 😮
sbluefox , are they thru the “old school”? (England)
I missed the last forty five minutes or so of the show, damn
I think so…
RJStewart?
Re: 163- Hey, I’m not going out since that little fiasco last Monday. Nope.:no: Oh, and I have to get up early and help someone with their yard, or something. Later, people.:yawn:
I’ll try and post some pics in a couple days, too.
I am listening to Malloy on KPOJ. Hour 3. Conyers was ignored. Malloy speaks truth.
T-demo4
Hey did you get a digi-camera?
isi Marc commented on your coment just now.
You got his GOAT!:omg:
sbluefox, I guess I will talk when you recharge 😉
So close to a talkin’ and yet so far away :rofl2:
😉
I am a Wiccan Druid
Re Stewart :nod:
I am not a certain type of “Naturalists”, but some are.
I am a Different type…;-)
still here and plugged in!:knit:
RJ Stewart?
I saw a poster for the Fairy congress at the Ashland Coop yesterday
:omg:Hello again.. good darkeness to you all..:eek:
That’s what I was thinking too.. Why did RFK have to publish for the stolen election to come out in the open again.. We all knew it was stolen right after it was stolen..Franken and Riley never said much about the theft..but then a lot of AAR listeners live in denial too.:omg:
Yes Conyers was ignored.
No, I really haven’t thought about throwing down a couple hundred on a dig-cam yet. I’m still usin’ an old Canon:mad: Actually, I just put down on a creative zen vision: M and I’m kinda thinkin’ that it wasn’t a smart investment. I probably should have waited until I got a stable job and squared away down in the Wa. land.:doh: Maybe when I get a computer in a month or so, I’ll get a digital cam.:nod: Yup!:yawn:
Marc blogs. By the time I started blogging on the Morning Sedition blog (March 2005) he had stopped blogging.
I will have to google creative zen- I may have a 4 pixel Kodak for you that was my first camera – a hand me down that needs to be passed along to someone.
Maybe I can had it over to you when we have lunch with Bobby Kennedy- Ha!
I remember reading and hearing a lot about the election fraud back after November (if you blogged, you couldn’t help reading about it), but it did get passed over by MSM. I’m glad Bobby Kennedy is putting it up to the surface again. It’s certainly a worthy story.
the two blogs have had a strange feeling near the end of the last two shows…..:paranoid:
hmmm……:shock:
The DLC is playing it low-key because they don’t want to lose their option to fix elections in the future.
There has been evidence that Ohio has been fixing presidential elections since 1972.
Bobby Kennedy tapes his show in White Plains, the next town over from me. I keep wanting to go over there and say “gee, can I have your autograph?” LOL, I don’t feel that way about too many people, especially politicians
sbluefox , I want to go, but I am doing other work and/but I was suppose to be doing things here — but with the OTHER ISSUES — especially re the Dems, no time 🙁
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Why the hell aren’t people outraged????:omg::omg::omg:
It makes me want to blow a head gasket.:doh:
Go listen to Malloy’s show from November 2nd 2004.
“Get rid of those machines.”
AAR listeners knew that the fix was in right after it happened.
People aren’t outraged because they don’t feel empowered.
No democracy, baby1:omg:
Hey, um, I guess I have to hit the hey, and dream about lunch w/ Bobby Kennedy. I have to get up early. What can ya do?
Oh, thanks sbluefox, but I don’t think I’d feel comfortable taking a camera from someone I hardly know, but maybe later.:peace:
Hope you an SJ can work it out Nickirose.
Yeah, it looked fishy right after all the exit polls were pulling for Kerry. Malloy went on about it, Randi I think also. Maybe others on AAR. It was absolutely crazy. I was reading Daily Kos, Atrios, etc., they were all buzzing about election fraud. But they kept burying the story in the “real” media. It drove me nuts.
OK. NOONE’S HERE. HELL WITH YOU ALL!:fu:
Documenting that the thugs stole an election on a national scale as apposed to just local races ( which has been true of both parties for a long time) might have merit if it just makes people look at how the thugs did it.. Ohio was not a case of an electronic voting fiasco but a bunch of things where the state government conspired to do something illegal. This is more like things you see in Central America and eastern Europe than you would expect to see here. We can not get rid of Bushco this way however. only congress can do that.. Maybe RFK is setting up for something that will happen if and when the dems take the house back.
I just think of it as passing something useful along…recycling and the friends who gave it to me would love it-then you could give it to someone.
Or you can save up for that SLR.
I am going- goodnight.:tongue:
Nicki read your e-mail :omg:
Hey. We will picnic in the volcanoe.:omg:
😉
I just checked my mail- now I get it!:doh::doh:
What e-mail?:omg:
IN the volcano? Didn’t you mean near? In is…very Cracks-of-doomish, or do you mean “I’ll stop the world and melt with you” literally????
Picnick in the volcano ??:eek:
Are we are going on a journey into hell ??? :omg::omg:
People went through the 2000 Florida fiasco and saw that the game is rigged. the Dems provide NO opposition to the Republicans.
Are there any volcanos in the Denver city limits?
Only Boxer stood her ground and objected to ratifying the vote.. The Dems suck.. :gate::omg::jason:
The Rocky Mountains are old mountains ..No active volcanoes ( yet at least) The closest we could come to a volcano is a steel mill
Portland’s Mt. Tabor was named after another Mt. Tabor, which sits six miles east of Nazareth in Israel. Our Mt. Tabor makes Portland one of only two cities in the continental U.S. to have an extinct volcano within its boundaries; the other city is Bend, Oregon. The volcanic features of Mt. Tabor became known in 1912, years after Mt. Tabor became a public park. The volcanic cinders discovered in the park were later utilized in surfacing Mt. Tabor Park’s roads. Mt. Tabor now contains a permanent exhibit of the volcanic cone from which the cinders were obtained.
How hot is that?
:omg:
There’s a chain around the world called “The Ring of Fire” and 90 percent or more of the world’s volcanos are part of that chain. Except for an occasional abberation, you’re not going to find anything active outside of that…
:gate::yawn::gate:
please no nightmares.
Police busted a North Portland Drug House. St. Johns. Lots of stolen property. Police believe it to be a heroin house.
AM 620 KPOJ
They may be old Mountains (Rockies) but they’re pretty impressive…I remember landing in Denver for the first time and seeing these amazing looking jagged mountains like I used to draw when I was a kid. There’s nothing like that anywhere on the east coast. The really old mountains are here.
The area around Cripple Creek is the caldera of an extinct volcano,. that’s why Gold was found there in large enough quantities to mine. I though you were taking about a currently active volcano ( wouldn’t want one of those inside the city limits). Sometimes along the interstate one could be confused by the smells though,
Although Portland’s nickname is the “Rose City,” it could just as easily be the “Volcano City.”
Many of the Portland area’s most prominent features — Mount Scott, Mount Tabor, Powell Butte, Rocky Butte, Kelly Butte and Mount Sylvania — are extinct volcanoes that began popping up in an eruptive period that lasted from about 300,000 years to 3 million years ago.
As many as 50 small volcanoes and another 50 lava vents that did not form volcanic structures are scattered throughout the metropolitan area. Houses punctuate the slopes and neighborhoods sprawl from the base of many of these volcanoes.
Scientists think the volcanoes and smaller lava vents did not erupt simultaneously. Many of the vents spewed lava briefly, while others erupted long enough to form volcanoes. The lava was thick and sticky, with most of the flows not moving far from their source vent. Evidence indicates that large explosive eruptions were rare.
The volcanoes formed from the Boring lava field, which was named for a cluster of lava vents northwest of the town of Boring.
Most of the volcanoes — such as Mount Tabor, Kelly Butte and Rocky Butte — are cinder cones. They are the simplest type of volcano, built from particles and blobs of congealed lava. As the gas-filled lava is blasted into the air, it breaks into small fragments that fall as cinders around the vent to form a cone.
A few — such as Mount Sylvania in Southwest Portland, Highland Butte southeast of Oregon City and Larch Mountain in the Columbia River Gorge — are called shield volcanoes. These are built by lava flows that pour out in all directions to form a broad shield-shaped structure.
Mount Scott at 1,050 feet is the highest volcano in Portland, while Larch Mountain is the tallest of the Boring lava volcanoes at 4,056 feet.
An easily accessible view of a cross-section of one of the volcanoes is at the amphitheater in Mount Tabor Park. Another good view is from the summit in Rocky Butte Park, where cliffs of lava form the butte’s northeast face.
There have to be more cities besides Portland and Bend with volcanos in their limits.
sbluefox, Night, Sleep Well, :knit: 😉
Susan Joy, The Ring of Fire :nod: and show too 😉
My Grandpa came from Cripple Creek:yawn:
The hell with you, too.
you talkin’ to me?
The Rocky Mountains are uplift riffs in the earths crust. The volcanic activity that existed was several tens of million years ago. Most was just lava coming out of cracks in the ground and not a volcano as you think of Mt St. Helens. I would think living around an active volcano would make one nervous.
Thanks Nicki I needed that.. I will just ignore it.. I know you must be a nervous wreck..
That explains this tick that causes me to refresh in my sleep:tinfoil:
fred, re #214 I wish to talk to you about, but gotta get tea and feed the strays :billcat: so I will try to meet-up this weekend with you…… re Barbara:nod:
Night night Druid.. will be around..
There seems to be every reason why a portion, at least, of Mount Tabor should be taken as a public park. It is the only important landscape feature for miles around, and the population in its vicinity is destined to be fairly dense. It is already a good deal resorted to by people for their Sunday and holiday outings, and it will be better known to and more visited by the citizens as time goes on. . . .There can be little doubt that public sentiment will cordially support the city government in acquiring considerable land on this prominent and beautiful hill (Olmsted Brothers “Report of the Park Board,” 1903).
The Gas Plant in Seattle was a rather strange city park.. One can make a monument out of almost anything if they put their mind to it.
Was Cardinal Ratzinger a Nazi?
Good grief. No, Virginia, Cardinal Ratzinger was not a Nazi.
The Ratzinger Fan Club normally doesn’t indulge in the muck and mire of such rumors, but you’d be suprised how many people write inquiring about this malicious rumor.
The story that Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth is true. It’s a biographical fact that seems to have circulated on many a mailing list, and seems to surface at precisely opportune times when the Prefect finds himself in the media’s spotlight. From the way it has been presented, one might assume this is one of those skeletons the Cardinal keeps tucked away in his closet (next to his executioner’s axe and the token heads of Hans Kung, Matthew Fox, Leonardo Boff & Charles Curran).
The truth is that as Ratzinger mentions himself in Milestones: Memoirs: 1927 – 1977, he and his brother George were both enrolled in the Hitler Youth (at a time when membership was compulsory), and discusses family life under the Third Reich in chapters 2-4 of his autobiography.
I went to a big anti-war rally at Seattle’s Gas Park. January 26th 1991.
Wasn’t Ratzinger also in the German army ??
NickiRose, I stayed once in a campground called Hells Gate — it was beautiful, but it was HOT AS HELL (lead balloon humour) and near there the dormat volcanos in upper north CA loomed 😮
I live near Gasworks park and the Dump.
Makes for some confusing smells:bong:
My first protest was at No-Nukes rally at Battery Park. I think I was 19. I have a picture wearing a denim vest with 800 or so buttons on it. I think my second protest was last year at the Republican Conventional. Then a few times with Riverkeepr. Too few. I need to become more active
There is another place called Hell’s Gate in Utah.. Its a rock formation and a town out in the desert so it may well feel like hell in the Summer time.
What street in Seattle? I used to live at 5034 NE 7th Avenue. 98105.
I like the sounds of the Devil’s Churl somewhere along the Oregon coast.:ear:
I lived 5 blocks north of the Blue Moon Tavern. What a make-out bar that was!:omg:
Druid, where do you live exactly? You may have told me once, but things have been flying out of my brain lately…
Mx Missile, baby. Prime the economy.:omg:
That’s where my ex drank in 1980 before the divorce-before the world went to shit.
Did you make out with Alfredo?
Sheesh I’ll bet that was before your time.
The Blue Moon is for sale.
Things went downhill for them after the smoking ban kicked in.
Well Nicki since Boeing is moving their commercial aircraft production to China they have to make something in the Seattle area..got to keep those tax incentives rolling in.
Theodore Roethke used to hang out at the zBlue Moon in the 1950s and 1960s.
1980! I would not have been allowed in the bar then.
Boeing already moved to Chicago. Outsourcing! Who benefits?
Can someone copy (C & V) (cut & paste) LJinOregon’s rather lengthy last post on Marc’s site and post here, since it is cryptic for me on Marc’s site:?: Please 😀
Now, seriously, strays :billcat: and tea:joe: 😉
Boeing only moved their suits operations to Chicago there manufacturing is still (soon to be was) in Evert.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nicolebrodeur/2002992984_brodeurcol14m.html
The Wilson-Bush Letters
Your Royal Fraudulency King George II:
I wish to support your efforts to abolish as much as possible of the federal government and transfer its functions to faith-based organizations. I suggest that you should apply this idea especially to the controversial matter of capital punishment.
Let faith-based organizations take over our seasonal rites of human sacrifice; after all, they invented the institution in the first place, and it requires ardent faith to believe in it in the 21st Century. Distribute the boodle evenly to all faiths, so that Roman Catholics can burn offenders at the stake, in accord with their own faith-based system, Protestants can revive the public hanging, Moslems and orthodox Jews can employ stoning to death, Mormons can use bullets, Sikhs can chop off heads again, etc.
The federal funds so spent will not only boost the power of faith-based groups, but will proportionally decrease the influence of research-based groups, who often destroy faith and encourage doubt anyway.Think how much this will aid the drug war alone, along with most of your other programs, and you will see the long-range benefits of this modest proposal.
Hoping that this will meet with your approval, I remain
Your serf and servant,
Robert Anton Wilson
DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND:
IT IS REALITY THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING
Robert Anton Wilson
Submitted by LJinOregon on June 3, 2006 – 2:36am. | reply | email this comment
Robert Anton Wilson? THe Illuminatus trilogy dude. Interesting!
:paranoid:
Did I ever tell you about the first time I posted here. I was staying an a motel in Astoria OR and woke up at 3am to police banging on the door (next door I guess) I thought for sure Homeland Security was there to get me. Then I remembered-The Oregon Coast only has one Homeland Security officer.
:eek::omg:
nitey night youngsters…
I have to get some sleep too,, will be back later.
The Blue Moon is said to have hosted poets such as Theodore Roethke and Richard Hugo and was a stop for artists such as Dylan Thomas and Allen Ginsberg. It just missed being named a historic landmark in 1990.
:omg:
goodnight S Blue…
ah, Allen Ginsberg 🙂
Meade, who has known the Blue Moon for 45 years, once handled the sale of the Comet Tavern on Capitol Hill. “There are only a few gems like that, and the Blue Moon is clearly one of them.”
The Comet Tavern!:omg:
Anyone read the novel
Comet and the City? It is set in the Comet Tavern.-*God. I miss Seattle.
Hey go over to tomorrow and read about Stan Iverson
no, but it’s a great title…cool name for a tavern, too
Dylan Thomas! He died in 1953. Was the Blu Moon around that long?
Comet has grafitti all over it. they encourage people to scrawl away.
You are living in yesterday.
Blue Moon was around when my dad went to the U so certainly was there in 1953
Oh yeah now I know- it was that Brazilian Coffee candy I bougt at the Bad Ass in Medford…:joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::joe::omg:
I’m here but I’m also getting dressed and feeding Nush :omg:
Its kind of amazing whats on C-span in the middle of the night.. They actually had an hour with the Nation magazine on their view on whats happening in the US..
What we are talking about apparently isn’t a bad dream.
They also had two Pentagon and a Bush news conferences.. can’t have everything good I guess.