Back in 2001, I was working at the SU Law College as the Web Guy. Had a really nice office with a window, a couple of the best computers available at the time, and, really, pretty cushy work (I wonder, at the moment, why the hell I ever left – though in honesty there were some pretty dysfunctional people there, and I got out at a pretty good time). I had NPR on the radio, as I pretty much always did at the time (can’t stand it these days), and they were rather typically unaware of anything that was going on, so I was, too. Until my wife IM’d that a plane had flown into the first tower. She knew it was an attack, right away, even as most people were thinking it was an accident or who knows what. Then came the second plane, NPR still not even mentioning anything (probably playing one of those insipid touch-feely trite stories they seem to pride themselves on), and the CNN website was unreachable. Then the Pentagon, and then – in the confusion – all kinds of reports of things that eventually turned out to not be true.
Then, of course, the towers fell.
All this was being described to me via IM (my wife saved the IM transcript, which I would reproduce here, except many of my replies were filled with expletives that somebody or other might find offensive, so I guess I’d better not). I think what I remember most about that time (in addition to watching the replays over and over and over) was the sight and sound (or lack thereof) of a sky totally devoid of air traffic. Where I live isn’t exactly a major metropolis, but we do have an airport, and (like most people), I’ve gotten accustomed to hearing planes in the air almost contantly. The silence was kinda eerie – but not as eerie as when the sound of military aircraft (our Air National Guard F-16’s were doing air combat patrol over NYC, so they’d fly in and out every now and again, and we’re pretty close to some other military facilities here, so occasionally a squadron of choppers or a large transport would fly over) would fill the sky. Then, you’d kind of look up, and ponder about what might happen (knowing it probably wouldn’t suddenly fly into a building, but, well, it was hard not to think about the possibility). Strange days indeed.
Everybody up here knows somebody who lives downstate – friends, family, lots of SU students. The Law School lost a bunch of alumni – one was on Flight 175, others worked for Cantor Fitzgerald, and Harris Beach. My brother – who of course we couldn’t get in touch with – lives on Long Island, and often was in that part of the city, attending meetings and training sessions at the WTC. A woman in his office got a call from her husband that morning. He called to tell her that he was OK, and that it was the other building that had gotten hit, not his. After they hing up, she never heard from him again.
So, here we are, five years later. Somehow, this bumbling stumbling fool who ignored the warnings given him by the previous administration, Richard Clarke, and in the now-infamous “determined to attack” PDB, became the “war president.” Racist Rudy became a hero. The Bushies bombed the stuffing out of Afghanistan (promising to “smoke ’em out,” if only we’d go out and do some shopping), but then abruptly quit, instead opting to lie us into the most ill-advised, unjustified, and poorly run invasion and occupation in our history (and that’s saying quite a bit, really). Now, the PR arm of the Republican Party has been given a $40 million propaganda prize in the form of this homage to Leni Riefenstahl they’re calling “The Path to 9/11.” Somewhere in hell, Joseph Goebbels must be smiling in steely admiration for what these people have accomplished.
Everyone (everyone with a brain, who’s been awake and paying attention for the past five years) knows what a fraud Disney is perpetrating upon history. Because, make no mistake about it, this will become the defacto history of the story of 9/11. Oh, there’ll be a bunch of hootin’ and hollarin’, of course. Maybe somebody will get sued, and after years and years of legal maneuvering, the parties will settle, and there’ll be a paragraph buried somewhere in the business section.
But in a few months – maybe even every September 11th from now on – ABC will rerun this lying piece of garbage (with commercials next time, you can be sure; maybe even release DVD version with “edited scenes”), and the “fair and balanced” media folks will talk (for a moment or two – maybe) about “alleged inaccuracies,” and that “some say” this “docudrama” contains factual errors, all the while repeating and reinforcing the falsehoods. And down the road, Bill Clinton – who has a lot of things to answer for, but not for this – and Sandy Berger and Madeline Albright will become infamous for allowing 9/11 to happen, and our blinking babbling pet goat of a president will be richly remembered as the man who took on this terrible legacy and…. Well, I dunno. You can only put so much lipstick on this pig (or goat).
Right now, those who are capable of critical and independent thinking know what thse people are all about. It’s amazing how willing they are to use the memory of the events of five years ago for their own twisted purposes. I suppose their plan is to sell the Democrats as a bunch of bumbling fools who can’t keep us “safe,” thereby keeping control of Congress, and thwarting any serious investigation. Hopefully, too much has happened, we’ve seen too many things, had the “terror card” played one (or ten or a hundred) times too many. Hopefully the people are too smart for this to keep working.
Counting on Americans to be smart just doesn’t feel like a safe bet these days. But maybe we’ll surprise ourselves and do the right thing. We had a chance to do just that, five years ago. To build something beautiful out of the burning twisted pile of death and hatred, and make this a better world (not just for Americans, but for everyone).
But we didn’t have a real leader in place to take us where we needed to go. Maybe, finally, we’ll realize that our “leaders” will never take us anywhere. It’s up to us to lead, dragging them kicking and screaming along behind us – or better yet, just leave them. To quote The Who: “We forsake you…Let’s forget you better still.”
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Good whatever :sheep: le
good morning
:banana::banana::banana: It’s Susan :banana::banana::banana:
From the NZ broadcast!! The Path to 911 distortions, lies, slanders and falsehoods
from KOS
http://tinyurl.com/r7jms
For Democrats’ Hopes – Less Promise in New York
In a year when Democrats hope to take control of the House of Representatives, New York would appear to be fertile ground for toppling Republican incumbents. Democrats have a statewide edge in enrollment, and a popular incumbent, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, is at the top of the party’s ticket.
In fact, just a few months ago, Democrats envisioned significant gains in New York, perhaps picking up as many as four seats, possibly even five. But that goal now seems increasingly remote, and there is an emerging consensus among political analysts that the party’s best chance for capturing a Republican seat is the battle to succeed Representative Sherwood L. Boehlert, one of the most liberal Republicans
More:
http://tinyurl.co.uk/w9t6
good morning, Fred…so what happened…they didn’t “edit” the New Zealand version of PT9/11 as they did (somewhat) with the USA version? Ok, let me read…
This seems to be another zero, zip, nada news mornings ..
Every one should commemorate 911 by wearing their imperialism sucks T Shirts :yuck:
Yeah, all Riley is talking about so far is 9/11 related stuff. I guess there’s just no getting away from it.
Do you have a t-shirt like that? LOL
ABC Makes Some Changes to 9 / 11 Series
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 11, 2006
Filed at 12:06 a.m. ET
NEW YORK (AP) — ABC aired its miniseries ”The Path to 9/11” on Sunday but made editing changes after former Clinton administration officials complained it contained fabricated scenes about their actions prior to the terrorist attacks.
ABC’s editing of the five-hour movie, airing on two successive nights starting Sunday, was evident from the very beginning. Twice, the network de-emphasized the role of the 9/11 commission’s final report as source material for the film.
The version that aired Sunday also changed a scene that, in a copy of the movie given to television critics a few weeks ago, indicated President Clinton’s preoccupation with his potential impeachment may have affected an effort to go after Osama bin Laden.
In the original scene, an actor portraying White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke shares a limousine ride with FBI agent John O’Neill and tells him: ”The Republicans are going all-out for impeachment. I just don’t see in that climate the president’s going to take chances” and give the order to kill bin Laden.
But in the film aired Sunday, Clarke says to O’Neill: ”The president has assured me this … won’t affect his decision-making.”…
http://tinyurl.com/fpomh
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This is the only critique of the crapudrama I can find so far this morning.:yuck::growl::paranoid::fustrate:
No I have one that says
911
What did you idiots expect ???
Almost no one understood what it was talking about :omg::fustrate::paranoid:
The media has always tended to say things that demoralize those wanting something other than what their management wants. Since the management almost always are part of the Reich they will always say things like that. They may also be complicit in the rigging of the elections by the Reich. Tell people they will lose so the fraud plays out correctly :yuck::yuck::fustrate::paranoid:
The crapudrama came to you without advertising .. I wonder why :yuck::paranoid:
there were no ads? Hmm.
I tuned in to the ABC bullshit long enough to read the disclaimer.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THE BOYCOTT IS ON.
Cnick was planning to watch it and give us a critique. He must not be up yet. Or maybe he had to drink heavily to make it all the way through and he’s still sleeping it off.
Personally, I really enjoyed watching Family Guy.
News Daddy is back! :banana::banana::banana:
Hey Kevin, So Halloween is going to be an eighties extravaGANZA here in…………………………..SunCity WEST! Devo, Animotion, Dramarama, Flock of Seaguls and bi-level haircuts! Be there
AND be square!
Comment by Kristapea — September 10, 2006 @ 10:11 pm
Hey Krista, did you see that reality show NBC aired summer 2005 with competing ’80s bands? The guy from A Flock of Seagulls looked HORRIBLE. Remember the big hair he had back in the day? I think he swallowed it.
The Devo reunion should be interesting. Mark Mothersbaugh held out for the longest time, which makes sense because he needs the money the least.
Not to trivialize what happened on 911 because a good cross section of America perished that day but the thugs had to be panicking when they saw all those members of GW’s base jumping out of windows.:eek::paranoid:
I can’t think of it that way…
I thought this was interesting. Surprising, anyway:
Global warming film unites preachers and politics
By Carey GillamSun Sep 10, 12:10 PM ET
Coming soon to a movie screen near you: prayers, politics and a feature-length film, united in an effort to mobilize religious groups around global warming concerns in time for the U.S. midterm election.
With a new documentary titled “The Great Warming” as their chief campaign tool, a coalition of religious leaders, environmentalists and businesses are spreading copies of the film into churches around the country. Voter guides and themed sermons are also part of the plan.
The aim of the screenings, like one held in Kansas last week, is to turn the large and powerful conservative Christian constituency into a voting block united behind making the reduction of greenhouse gases a top priority among politicians.
Evangelical Christian leaders have embraced the cause and are now helping spur momentum before both midterm elections in November and the 2008 presidential election.
“In the past, white evangelicals have been largely Republican and the environment has traditionally been a Democratic issue … so there are political implications in terms of alliances,” said Joel Hunter, who serves on the National Association of Evangelicals board and as senior pastor of the 12,000-member Northland Church in Longwood, Florida.
“But there is no doubt about the mandate of scripture here. We need to do what we can to care for the Earth,” Hunter said by telephone. “We want to lead people into the arena where it will have an affect on how they vote.”
The movement by faith communities to become more active on environmental issues has been growing over the last several years with many undertaking energy-saving and energy-education projects that they describe as “creation care.”
Indeed, according to a July survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, more than 70 percent of people of faith polled believed global warming was occurring.
But the movement to turn that devotion into a political power base on global warming is only now getting under way. Advocates said they intended to put pressure on both Republicans and Democrats to be more active in seeking to reduce global warming.
A national rollout of “The Great Warming” at U.S. cinemas starts in October. The plan also calls for more than 500 sermons on global warming and lists of questions for church members to ask political candidates.
FROM TALK TO ACTION
The National Council of Churches, with an estimated 45 million members, Presbyterians for Restoring Creation and leaders of the National Association of Evangelicals are helping develop online promotions, newsletters and campaign materials for film screenings, including one planned for September 30 at the Washington National Cathedral.
African-American mobilization is part of the agenda as well, with a September 21 screening led by the Rev. Gerald Durley, a former civil-rights activist who leads a large Baptist congregation in Atlanta.
“We’re hoping to get this in before the elections,” said Karen Coshof, the independent Canadian documentary maker who produced “The Great Warming.” “It’s time to get beyond talk to action.”
Global warming concerns stem from scientific evidence that layers of carbon dioxide heat — generated in part by power plants and automobiles — is altering the climate and leading to deadly heat waves, drought and disastrous flooding.
Many conservative political and business groups, which generally support the same politicians as white evangelicals, challenge the conclusions as faulty and alarmist, however, and say efforts to rein in CO2 emissions will hurt the economy.
Still, “Great Warming” backers say the tide has turned in their favor amid overwhelming scientific data and growing public concern. And they say, many businesses are recognizing action is needed, including Zurich-based Swiss Re, one of the world’s leading reinsurance companies and a chief financial backer of the film.
“I am what you call a green Republican … and there are a number of us out there,” said Troy Helming, founder of the Kansas-based Krystal Planet alternative energy company, which also backs the film. “It is unfortunate that the party … has kind of lost its way in terms of environmental issues.”
Awesome post, PJ.
All I remember about that day was keeping my nose to the grindstone in work, trying to be contrarian to everyone else’s interest in the events.
Good mroning guys…I posted frank rich last night…a very good piece on 9-11….its under my long babble about this n that….
We’re off to New Haven and Yale Pediatric Specialties….Probably best that I not stay here and watch the reinactment over and over..
Mom is down there with her strange friend from california who was raised here and is hysterically effected by all this….so she comes every year. Of course, I have to worry about Mom being downtown with Bush and all the people….She always wants to be in the center of everything…runs towards danger.
MSNBC is rebroadcasting the Today show from that day. CNN is rebroadcasting too…really freaky.
Its like a spooky Where Were YOu When Everything Changed? day…….
I HATE this business of remembering 9/11. It always leaves me with the same chill.
I live in Brooklyn, right across the channel from Manhattan. World Trade was our every day view. My husband was giving the dogs their morning walk and saw the first plane hit . I was getting ready to go to a meeting. I decided I had better hurry up because I assumed that the City would have nightmare traffic and I was heading to the northern tip of Manhattan. Unlike PJ’s wife I did not think we were being attacked.
As I left I saw the second tower burning but I hadn’t heard that there was a second plane. Three minutes later,as I entered the Battery Tunnel toll plaza, all the cars were stopped. The cops were on foot and running around among the stopped traffic. One was yelling, ” I need wheels,” but was kind enough to tell us that we would be turned around and directed back to the streets. He was shouting that we were under attack and that 8 planes having been hijacked.
What I remember most was the silent brown cloud that crawled over us. Papers were floating and glinting in the sun. People were standing in streets and on the roofs, as paper and debris fell. Everyone was watching the sky. Silence was the sound of the day.
Back home again, hubby, neighbor and I watched from the roof and on the TV. We sat for a good part of the day. No one said very much. We watched the first tower fall from our roof. Another neighbor, on her roof across the street, was crying and inconsolable. Her partner had gone to Manhattan and there was no word.
My daughter and her husband had gone into Manhattan and I couldn’t get in touch with them for hours.
Most of all I remember not knowing what to do. Should we leave the City? Stay? Help somehow? What was happening. I remember Bush flying around the country and making brief ridiculous statements everytime they landed. And Rudy, (I bow to no one in my contempt for that man) giving information that I welcomed but still no one said, Stay, go, ….nothing.
By the early afternoon we had tracked down daughter, son in law and son. They were safe and out of the City. The neighbors partner had walked home from Harlem across the Brooklyn Bridge and was showing us the blisters she had acquired by doing so. Another neighbor had found a boarding pass from one of the planes, that had drifted out of the sky, . Another was showing off his pass from World Trade which he had visited the day before.
It was Primary Day in New York and for the first time I forget to vote.
And now, every year, they do this remembering stuff and remembering is what I do and what I hate to do.
Good Morning :joe: 5 years ago today I was camping in the White Mountains and was having a really weird intense dream where I woke screamimg, or trying to scream. I’m pretty sure the planes were crashing into the tower at that time. We didn’t find out til the next day. It was pretty surreal. As we drove through Springerville we noticed the flags at half mast and thought it was something local. But then the flags were half mast in Showlow too. We stopped for gas and Doug came back to the car with the newspaper and as I looked at that picture, my first thought was, “oh shit, what’s the government going to do with this?? ” And a veil of darkness descended.
A mighty thread connects Birmingham with Bil’in. The organic outrage which was channeled into, and given form by, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, is the same passion that sustains the International Solidarity Movement, Ta’ayush, Gush Shalom, Palestinian Centre for Rapprochement, Holy Land Trust, and others. It animates a trans-national community of purpose for which, as is the case with Zionism, overall outlook is more important than organizational structure. However unlike Zionism, it bears the mark of a defining restraint and self-discipline that gives it unique built-in credibility.
Dave Himmelstein is a writer and editor in Montreal. Reachable at chebrexy@hotmail.com
Pj, I think that we are able to deal with the explitives. Please post the IM transcript.
some people can learn from that…
watching MSNBC in spite of myself -:(
hmm the problem with watcing these specials is it does drum a kind of nostalgia and starts the mourning process again…(I lost close people that day)…it’s too painful, though… but I’m thinking that the Bush administration is going to use that legitimiate mourning and once again turn it to their benefit… drum up more fear… this is two months before election month…watch what happens, how they’re going to milk this…I’m sickened. Because the feelings behind this tragedy are real but they twist it.
The memorial service from the pentagon is on C-span. They keep using the “They hate us for our freedoms” phrase over and over. What they mean is that they hate us for our freedom to screw around in their politics and steal their resources. So far it has a been a nice church service ..sort of in the wrong place but nice.. Darth Cheney and Dums Feld are doing the preaching. :yuck:
#24 — Sue — since you asked, here it is, typos, expletives & all unedited & reflective of real time — – it was a VERY long, weird day. Started out like an ordinary day & that’s reflected at the beginning of the conversation. I was working at home & had the Today Show on while working. I actually had the VCR taping, but it did not work right & all we got was wiggly lines.
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🙁 September 11, 2001 🙁
Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation.
Chris says:
Hi Honey. How are you?
Chris says:
I just got a dialog box from McAfee that the Snow White virus was attached to an incoming e-mail — deleted it. Can I install the McAfee on Reuben’s computer?
Chris says:
Thanks for the info on the bozo virus.
Patrick says:
yes
Patrick says:
you can
Chris says:
Is it on a CD somewhere or do I have to download it from somewhere?
Patrick says:
i think the disk is in the bedroom
Patrick says:
i have it on the network, too though
Patrick says:
i think you can browse to it
Patrick says:
go to network neighborhood
Patrick says:
look for PJS (computer name)
Patrick says:
there’s a directory there named REMINST (or something; it’s for remote installation)
Patrick says:
in there are folders; find the mcafee one
Patrick says:
should be a setup or install thing in there
Patrick says:
in order to do the update, you’ll need to register it
Patrick says:
use my name, PJS Designs, and the address and all that (or look to see what’s in there for yours)
Patrick says:
i’m not positive you can get there from reuben’s computer, though, because he doesn’t have win 2000
Patrick says:
otherwise, you’ll have to find the cd
Patrick says:
which is a homemade one; little skinny cd case
Patrick says:
was on the headboard of the bed
Chris says:
OK. I think it’s still there.
Chris says:
Well, I’d better forge ahead with shoveling out my inbox. I haven’t read e-mail in several days & there’s lots of shit backed up in there. Thanks for the help. ILY. Seeya later.
Patrick says:
yep, ily, to bye
Chris says:
Plane just flew into the top of one of the world trade center towers — just happened
Patrick says:
huh?
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
They are showing pictures on the Today Show right now. Huge hole & tons of somoke in the top of the building.
Patrick says:
wow
Patrick says:
how big a plane?
Chris says:
I wonder if it was just an accident or some kind of suicide terrorist thing.
Patrick says:
that’s what i was thinking
Chris says:
Don’t know if it was a plane or a bomb
Chris says:
When was the last bomb? 5-6 years ago?
Patrick says:
something like that
Chris says:
Whole top of the building is fire & smoke with stuff falling down.
Patrick says:
wow they have a picture on cnn
Patrick says:
big hole
Chris says:
Doesn’t seem like it would be an “accident”. I’m sorry. Just can’t believe it would just “happen” to be the World Trade Center. There are plenty of other tall buildings in Manhattan
Patrick says:
yeah, it seems like an on-purpose thing, but i suppose anything is possible
Chris says:
Yeah. Well, it would be odd if it was just an “innocent” accident.
Chris says:
Wow. Those poor people who work on the upper floors. Terrifying.
Patrick says:
well, there are lots of nuts into stunts and stuff, so it could be something goofy like that, too, but who knows
Chris says:
Yeah, well, I guess we know what will be taking up the news for the next couple of days.
Chris says:
Almost looks like the top of the building could fall off the hole is so big.
Chris says:
Another bomb just hit!!!
Patrick says:
huh?
Chris says:
It’s being attacked!!!
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
The second tower looks lie its been hit!!
Chris says:
This is no accident
Patrick says:
shit
Chris says:
Shit is flying all over the place
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
Another explosion justnow
Patrick says:
jesus
Chris says:
Either taht or they are showing the tape again
Patrick says:
glad i don’t live in ny
Chris says:
They showed a 727 flying into WTC
Patrick says:
a 727?
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
What an asshole Katie is. She says it’s completely impossible to understand why this is happening
Chris says:
What a moron
Patrick says:
what’s not to understand?
Chris says:
Omigod My heart is beating a mile a minute. This is not a good thing
Patrick says:
no, it isn’t
Patrick says:
it’s not real surprising, either; bound to happen
Patrick says:
bound to continue
Chris says:
Television communication in NYC knocked off the air because many local stations have their antennas on top of the WTCs
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
The towers are leaning and do look like they may fall
Patrick says:
both of ’em, huh?
Chris says:
NBC has backup tower on top of Empire State Bldg so they have coverage
Chris says:
maybe only coverage? Unbelievable pictures
Patrick says:
wow
Patrick says:
i wish i had a tv
Chris says:
They are both just black smoke and you can see the tops of the buildings leaning
Chris says:
Katy & Matt sound like they are on valium … no emotion at all in their voices
Patrick says:
well, it’s unbelievable
Patrick says:
npr barely gave it a mention
Chris says:
It was a 737 that flew into the midsection of the other tower
Patrick says:
cnn website looks to bew crapped out
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
The top of the first building that was hit looks like it is swaying
Chris says:
American Airlines hijacked plane flown into tower is a possiblity according to a call into Today Show
Chris says:
Certainly does seem like both crashes were deliberate
Patrick says:
oh, there’s no doubt
Chris says:
1993 was the bombing on a Fri afternoon
Patrick says:
i’m gonna go watch on th tv at the student lounge
Chris says:
Yup seeya later
Patrick says:
that’s really something
Chris says:
Did yousee the footage of the second plane hitting?
Patrick says:
yes
Chris says:
I’m still shaking
Patrick says:
i can’t imagine the poor people on the planes
Patrick says:
and in the buildings
Chris says:
Especially if the second plane was a hijacked plane … I cannot imagine how that poor pilot had to have felt being forced to do what he did
Chris says:
I just sent an e-mail to Kevin. He works in the Wall Street area. Don’t know if he’ll get it.
Patrick says:
they must have had pilots as the hijackers; the real pilots wouldn’t have done it
Chris says:
Yeah. True. God knows what they did to the pilots.
Patrick says:
the said the 1st one might have been a 757 (airbus)
Chris says:
Huge plane!
Patrick says:
yeah
Patrick says:
nobody knows for sure right now
Patrick says:
i think they should ground all the air traffic inthe country now
Chris says:
NYC is going to shut down completely. I couldn’t get through to Jordan.
Patrick says:
yeah, they said the tunnels are closed, the airports, wall street will be shut down
Patrick says:
i can’t get to cnn’s web site
Patrick says:
msnbc’s site is too bust to get through, now
Chris says:
Explosion at the Pentagon?? Jim Miklaszewski reporting
Chris says:
Evacuating the Pentagon
Patrick says:
really?
Patrick says:
holy shit
Chris says:
Building shook & windows rattled for a couple of seconds & building is being cleared — doesn’t know if part of construction work or what
Chris says:
I don’t know if my heart will hold out… thumping away again
Patrick says:
it’s just truly unbeleivable
Patrick says:
i don’t know where tim works
Chris says:
Hope he’s working at home
Patrick says:
so do i
Chris says:
You won’t be able to get through by phone, I’m sure.
Patrick says:
palestinian group says it was responsible
Patrick says:
767 from boston hijacked
Chris says:
Pentagon billoowing smoke
Chris says:
Bomb detonated at heliport
Patrick says:
jesus
Chris says:
9/11/2001 day will live in infamy
Patrick says:
it’s very early yet
Chris says:
God help us
Patrick says:
i’m glad i’m not in like chicago or la or washington
Chris says:
This is a pretty strong message here
Patrick says:
yes it is
Chris says:
Pentagon blast may have also been a plane crash
Chris says:
at the heliport
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
White house being evacuated
Patrick says:
yeah, i would guess so
Chris says:
I feel like I’m in a movie
Chris says:
This doesn’t seem real
Patrick says:
ron says upsate is part of the disaster plan for nyc and may get the overflow
Patrick says:
upstate
Patrick says:
i guess i should go to class
Patrick says:
but i really don’t feel like it
Chris says:
Confirmed American Airlines Boston LAX flight hijacked plane was one that hit WTC
Chris says:
Who could concentrate in class?
Patrick says:
yeah, i think i’m gonna blow it off
Patrick says:
i doubt many people will be there
Chris says:
Anyone who knows whats going on right now would not absorb a thing. The fate of the country is in limbo right now
Chris says:
PLO is claiming responsibility
Chris says:
Accusing US of racism
Patrick says:
i don’t think the fucking palestinians did themselves any good
Patrick says:
this is just going to escalate
Patrick says:
i sure hope they stay away from syracuse
Chris says:
FAA shut down all air traffic nationwide
Patrick says:
yeah, that’s what i’d do
Patrick says:
that way they can blast anything that moves
Chris says:
Pentagon is being evacuated
Chris says:
Plane crashed into it
Patrick says:
white houe, too
Patrick says:
house
Patrick says:
christ
Patrick says:
i’m sure glad reuben isn’t coming back from minn today
Patrick says:
all the news web sites are damn near impossible to get to right now
Chris says:
Wonder if they will evacuate the Capitol building.
Patrick says:
i would
Chris says:
If Congress or the Senate willhave sessions today
Patrick says:
i’d shut down all the big office buildings all over the country
Chris says:
All camera crews evacuated from White House & doesn’t seem like any are at the Pentagon. Telephone reports.
Patrick says:
i have peter jennings onthe radio now
Patrick says:
npr seems nearly oblivious
Chris says:
Bush is running with his tail between his legs. God help us we don’t have any kind of leadership in this country
Patrick says:
ron says his wife says they are in disaster mode now at upstate
Chris says:
Yeah, it seems odd NPR is “ignoring” the story?
Patrick says:
just a few items and then back to regular programming
Chris says:
Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if they shipped people up here.
Patrick says:
they may need to
Chris says:
This is a momentous event — you would think they would be covering it
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But maybe they figure the mainstream media is providing enough
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don’t know
Patrick says:
they not only grounded everything, but ordered all the planes down to the nearest airports immediately
Patrick says:
yep, capitol bldg evacuated
Chris says:
Part of the second tower just fell down.
Patrick says:
wow
Chris says:
Wall street is now all smoke & dust
Chris says:
Dust/smoke cloud is spreading through Manhattan
Chris says:
Shot from the battery shows all smoke cloudes with a couple of towers sticking out
Patrick says:
yeah; i can’t get any pictures from the internet now
Patrick says:
guy on the radio says the tower collpased
Chris says:
All of NYC is a huge dust and smoke cloud… It looks like Armageddon
Chris says:
The remaining tower is spewing black smoke
Chris says:
You can’t even see wall st. All of lower Manhattin is in smoke
Chris says:
They are reporting the second tower collapsed. I can’t imagine what the loss of life must be.
Chris says:
chaos
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Democratic front for the liberation of Palestine taking responsibility supposedly
Patrick says:
they said the triage area was dumped on by the tower collapse
Chris says:
God help them.
Patrick says:
radio says the police radio is fille with cops screaming for 1013 (which is help)
Chris says:
God help them … how horrible
Patrick says:
it’s worse than pearl harbor
Patrick says:
eyewitness to the pentagon attack on the radio
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says it flew right into the pentagon
Chris says:
They showed footage of the second tower collapsing.
Patrick says:
maybe you should pop a tape into the vcr
Chris says:
Yeah. I’ll get one
Patrick says:
not that they won’t be showing it all day
Patrick says:
they now have a report tht the 2nd plane was a “fully-loaded” jumbo jet
Patrick says:
explosion at the capitol
Chris says:
I’m on the phone with Emilie
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she’s worried about us
Patrick says:
so am i
Patrick says:
tim, too
Patrick says:
all classes at the law college cancelled
Chris says:
Car bombs exploding outside the State Dept reported
Patrick says:
shit
Patrick says:
90 people on plane 1 60 on plane 2
Patrick says:
one from boston, one from dulles
Chris says:
Evacuated the State Dept
Patrick says:
this was all so co-ordinated
Patrick says:
that’s the worst part
Patrick says:
one nut is one thing
Patrick says:
but all this so
Patrick says:
n tower coming down
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god
Chris says:
Second tower colleapsed
Chris says:
Horrible
Chris says:
Declaration of War by terrorists
Chris says:
Looks like whole thing came down
Patrick says:
this is just unimaginable
Patrick says:
to coordinate all this and have our intelligence agencies know absolutely nothing is very, very scary
Chris says:
Yes. Our world willnever be the same
Patrick says:
i hear a plane
Chris says:
you have got to be kidding
Patrick says:
no
Chris says:
don’t be making jokes
Patrick says:
no
Patrick says:
i couldn’t see it
Patrick says:
but it flew over someplace
Chris says:
maybe it didn’t get the message
Chris says:
yet
Patrick says:
could have been coming here to land
Patrick says:
could be military, too
Patrick says:
they evacuated the sear’s tower in chicago
Chris says:
Emilie is in tears. She is just disintegrating. She’s at home with Jon watching TV and is very worried about all of us and about her cousins who live in Westchester. She thinks some of them work in NYC
Patrick says:
yeah.
Patrick says:
nyc will be a long time digging out of all this
Patrick says:
i hope kevin is ok
Chris says:
I have to call her back later because we were hanging on the phone together just watching news & not saying anything
Chris says:
Yeah, God knows.
Chris says:
Yes, they will take forever to dig out & NYC will never be the same
Patrick says:
i think they need to close school and get the kids home here
Patrick says:
i’d just feel better if reben was home
Patrick says:
reuben
Patrick says:
i think we all knew this would happen sooner or later, but it’s still just, i don’t have words
Chris says:
You think I should call and go get him?
Chris says:
Plane crash in Pittsburgh
Chris says:
Don’t know if it’s related to terrorist attacks
Patrick says:
i don’t know
Chris says:
Were planes still in there air when order for no more takeoffs came, so maybe what you heard was one of them
Chris says:
Will you be coming home? I doubt much work will be getting done.
Patrick says:
i don’t know
Chris says:
All federal employees in Washington are going home
Patrick says:
i just had jihn higgins on the phone; he was wondering if i heard from tim
Patrick says:
i guess the planes were our f-20’s from hancock
Patrick says:
they must have scrambled tham all
Chris says:
Southeast of Pittsburgh crash at 10 am
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Not clear if related to other crashes
Patrick says:
yeah, and two more planes are missing and feared hijacked
Chris says:
Complete intelligence failure according to Tom Brokaw …. what a sad statement given who our president is
Patrick says:
to coordinate all of this, so many people would have to know. to have no clue whatsoever that it was coming is just unbelievable
Chris says:
absolutely
Chris says:
News media can’t reach anyone at CIA … they have been evacuated
Chris says:
Whoever did this has certainly accomplished their goal … quite well.
Patrick says:
yes
Patrick says:
do you have aol IM on your computer?
Chris says:
I’m not sure
Chris says:
did you put it there?
Patrick says:
you used to have it, but i don’t know anymore. i’m going to log on to my trillian thing, so i’ll wink out for a second
Chris says:
OK honey
Patrick says:
i’m back
Patrick says:
i just wanted to see if tim was on or even hope
Chris says:
Well, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Phone lines to NYC still not accessible
Patrick says:
yeah, they may be shutting down the cell service there and in dc too because they can use them to detonate bombs
Patrick says:
now say no bomb at state dept
Chris says:
I didn’t know that. So, cell phones may be out too, eh?
Patrick says:
they may be, at least in certain areas
Patrick says:
pentagon is burning and collapsing
Patrick says:
unbelievable
Patrick says:
i thought they had the airspace in dc – especially around the pentagon and white house – under control
Chris says:
Dear God they just showed the icons capitalism collapsing again — what a horrible sight knowing that it is real and not special effects
Patrick says:
no cell phones in nyc
Patrick says:
still 2 planes missing, faa says
Patrick says:
i really wish i knew that tim is ok
Chris says:
I know honey. I don’t know what you can do until things calm down. The phones are completely tied up. Although I just got an e-mail return receipt for an e-mail I sent Coleen earlier just as the second plane hit
Patrick says:
pentagon plane came in very low and slammed into the side, drove itself through the outer ring into the inner ring
Chris says:
So the internet may work for now and may be the only communication available.
Chris says:
Boy, if that ain’t deliberate, nothing is
Patrick says:
i sent him an e-mail and told him to look me up on aim’
Patrick says:
how the hell do you hijack a plane in this country?
Patrick says:
with sticks?
Patrick says:
do you buy up all the tickets?
Chris says:
My prayers are flowing. That’s all we can do. Local news banner is scrolling announcements for prayer services at all kinds of locations — we need to go. Or at least I will. That’s all we can do at this point and I believe it will help
Patrick says:
and then have everybody rush the cabin?
Chris says:
Yeah, I know. It’s mind boggling and we may never know what actually happened. Eventually I suppose we will learn what the plan was
Patrick says:
can’t even get to syracuse.com right now
Chris says:
They’re beginning to close down after school activities. I wonder if they will be closing down the schools soon
Patrick says:
they probably ought to
Patrick says:
our classes are closed
Patrick says:
don’t know about the rest of su
Patrick says:
probably not
Patrick says:
cnn has all their usual graphics gone now; just plain text and pix
Chris says:
If the internet goes down, they have really done a job
Patrick says:
they have a lot of bandwidth hogging stuff; they must have done this because of the immense server load
Patrick says:
cdc in atlanta evascuated
Patrick says:
bellevue hospital is the command center in nyc
Patrick says:
Sources say a second plane was heading toward the Pentagon; F-16 jets were in the air monitoring it.
Chris says:
report of a bomb in a high school at a triage area near the WTC
Patrick says:
doesn’t say if they shot it down or not
Chris says:
Holy shit
Chris says:
And the asshole was worried about nuclear weapons
Patrick says:
port authority has all the bridges and tunnels closed
Patrick says:
the only thing cnn has on is this one page
Patrick says:
A person who answered the phone on the trading floor at interdealer-broker Cantor Fitzgerald, located near the top of the World Trade Center, said “We’re f—ing dying,” when asked what was happening, and hung up. There was screaming and yelling in the background. A follow up call was not answered.
Patrick says:
Nic Fulton, an eyewitness, said that just before the first explosion, he saw a plane fly low over his apartment in the NoHo district of lower Manhattan.
“A plane flew incredibly low over my apartment. We’ve never seen a plane this low before,” Fulton said. He said it was a large, white plane with two jet engines, but he was not able to identify it further. “There’s so much smoke coming out of
Patrick says:
out of the thing,” he said.
Patrick says:
ron says his wife says she may have to go to nyc as part of the disaster plan; they’re deciding who needs to go now
Chris says:
I wonder if they will be asking for RNs to volunteer at hospitals. I guess i would do that in a desperate situation
Patrick says:
we’ll have to see what happens and how much worse this all gets
Chris says:
I sure as hell hope they are finished
Patrick says:
so do i
Patrick says:
canada has shut down thier air, too
Chris says:
This is hell which has been created. A big fate WAKE UP certainly to the Bush Administration but also to everyone else. No country is an island and no country is invulnerable. USA got out of being physically destroyed in two world wars
Chris says:
It took a long time for this to happen
Chris says:
Holy shit … Canada too?
Patrick says:
yes, he’s just continued to isolate us and irritate the rest of the world
Patrick says:
united flight
Patrick says:
newark to la
Patrick says:
and another united flight
Patrick says:
missing
Chris says:
Dear God
Chris says:
Well, all kinds of local schools are cancelling classes
Patrick says:
yeah
Patrick says:
helicopter
Patrick says:
i think
Patrick says:
couldn’t see it
Patrick says:
might have been a small airplane
Chris says:
here?
Patrick says:
over here
Patrick says:
i only heard it
Patrick says:
couldn’t see it
Chris says:
I would think police aircraft would still be flying
Patrick says:
yeah, emergenct stuff
Patrick says:
i see it
Patrick says:
a chopper
Patrick says:
heading west now
Patrick says:
out of site over to the west
Patrick says:
just not crazy about hearing aircraft near me at the moment
Chris says:
Absolutely
Chris says:
Explosions heard in lower NYC …. evacuating even more
Patrick says:
don’t know as they’d go for us, but who knows
Patrick says:
we do have moses on the side of our building
Patrick says:
now they’re closing the border w/ canada
Chris says:
wow
Chris says:
I’m on the other IM with Rose. I will be going to a prayer service with her
Patrick says:
they have a picture on msnbc, and are telling you to watch on tv ‘cuz there’s too much traffic
Patrick says:
manhattan skyline obliterated by smoke
Chris says:
Yes, I have the VCR running.
Chris says:
I’ll be meeting Rose at the VNA to go to the service
Chris says:
Air national guard over CNY
Patrick says:
i’m sure the vna will be happy to see you again
Chris says:
Yeah
Chris says:
I’m leaving now honey. I’ll have my cell phone with you. Will be in touch when I get back or if I need to speak with you
Patrick says:
ok, take care
Chris says:
ILY
Patrick says:
ily, too
Chris says:
Hi honey. I’m back. It was a nice mass. I was never in that church before. It was like being in the 15th Century — very Gothic
Patrick says:
hi
Chris says:
I got your e-mails about Bruce & Bill.
Chris says:
I haven’t heard from Kevin. Doesn’t sound like things are too good down there. Haven’t been able to get through to anyone at Jordan by phone.
Chris says:
Will take some time to regain equilibrium
Patrick says:
they say don’t bother trying to call down there because the lines are jammed
Patrick says:
no cell phones either
Chris says:
Giuliani is making some kind of statement now
Patrick says:
yeah – radio
Chris says:
God !!! You should see the people walking over what looks like the Verrazano bridge!!
Patrick says:
they’re sending a couple of air craft carriers to protect ny i guess
Patrick says:
i heard there were people jumping out of the towers on fire before it collapsed
Chris says:
Yeah. I heard that too.
Patrick says:
i guess bush flew around and landed in louisiana for a whiel and then took off again
Chris says:
Well, they sure as hell don’t want anyone to know where he is. I’m sure there’s some kind of weapon or airplane or something ready to be aimed at him
Patrick says:
maybe
Patrick says:
they say the one that crashed in pa was headed for camp david
Chris says:
It really reminds me so much of Independence Day … That was the first thing that came to mind when the Pentagon got slammed
Chris says:
Wow. I hadn’t heard that. Must have been some struggle in the plan
Patrick says:
yeah; that’s what everybody is saying
Chris says:
e
Patrick says:
yeah, that’s what i figure
Chris says:
Have you heard anything more about preparations for the casualty situation?
Patrick says:
ron says the plan is to have the military send casualties up here, if they need to, rather than have anybody go down there
Chris says:
I figured they would triage whoever they could to up here.
Patrick says:
yeah, well, i read they had at least 10,000 injured so far
Patrick says:
i would guess that there are at least that many dead
Chris says:
at least
Patrick says:
out of 50,000 people who worked in the towers, i’m sure not many got out beofre the things came down on them
Patrick says:
it must have been horrible; people stuffed in the stairwells, trying to get out
Patrick says:
i sure hope tim didn’t get stuck in the city
Chris says:
Yeah. Me too.
Patrick says:
i see reuben is home
Patrick says:
i have him on the other “line”
Patrick says:
reuben says they just signed a war treaty
Patrick says:
he says you “toed” him so
Patrick says:
2 flight attendants stabbed on one flight; got a call from a passenger on a cell phone
Patrick says:
hi honey
Patrick says:
according to ron, his wife says FEMA tells them that there are 150,000 injured or dead
Patrick says:
600 police and fireman were killed when the towers collapsed
Hmm. That’s actually the first time I’ve seen that. I have to admit, it made me feel like it was all happening again as I read it. I thought for sure I said the “f” word a whole buncha times, but apparently I was just saying it out loud, and not typing it.
Thank you, Raging Granny, for the post. Interesting to read and to remember all the misinformation that was part of that day. I’m grateful that the FEMA was wrong, once again, about the number of people who were hurt and killed and for all those who were feared for who turned up safe.
9/11: Press for Truth 1 hr 24 min documentary from the Wepons of Mass Deception people, on google video.
Morning everyone…I am just coming here for my 9/11 remembrance .
Thanks for your posts…I am trying not to watch or listen to anything else.
My guests are keen on going to the Space Needle today :tinfoil:
Video of Bush in action on 11-Sept-2001
Mr. FK’s blog post today.
Editor & Computer: Mainstream Blog Pioneer Alterman Axed by MSNBC
Published: September 11, 2006
NEW YORK — Eric Alterman, perhaps the first writer to get a blog on a mainstream national news site, has been dismissed after 10 years by MSNBC.com.
“P.S., I’m Fired,” he heads an email to others in the media.
His blog, Altercation, however, will be picked up by the liberal site Media Matters. He will also become a senior fellow there. Alterman has also been a longtime columnist at The Nation magazine. He teaches at City University of New York.
“I was hired before the 1996 launch by both the website and the cable station, and while the latter association ended in 1998, I have been here at MSNBC.com for ten straight years, writing a column until 2002 and Altercation every day, ever since,” he writes. “Permit me to point out that with the help of my contributors and co-Altercators, I’ve probably contributed more words to this site than any other person, including full-time staff. Well, ten years is a good run at anything.”…
***
“Whether my termination is, in fact, a product of a political decision at GE/NBC, which according to reports I read and gossip I hear, has lately taken a much firmer hand in guiding the content of both MSNBC and MSNBC.com, I have no way of knowing…. It would surprise no one if this site caused some discomfort at 30 Rock, if and when they happen to notice it. But speculation is not the same thing as evidence, and the good folks MSNBC.com and GE/NBC can, I’m sure, give you good reasons why dumping Altercation is the right thing to do from a business standpoint– though the natural speculation that arises is a damn good argument against the kind of media concentration that allows a company like GE to own NBC in the first place.”…
http://tinyurl.com/r5lyh
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The Reich ( or maybe its Stalin this time) strikes again. :growl::growl::jason::jason::jason:
My 9/11 memories aren’t as clear as most. This is partly because I’m on the west coast and by the time I turned on the TV it was well past the first crash. I turned on the TV after getting out of the shower and saw a plane sticking out of the WTC. I thought it might be a graphic interpretation of something. Then I realized it wasn’t time for the national news yet. Just at that moment, I heard that the second tower had been hit. I grabbed my phone to call my mother. I was pretty sure one of her nephews worked in one of the towers (he no longer did but we don’t keep in close contact…) I remember all the ladies on the bus sitting together in shock, trying to figure it out. One had a walkman and was giving up updates. My next clear memory is being at my desk trying to find a news site that wasn’t overloaded because I didn’t have a radio at my desk. I finally got the BBC’s feed. My boss came in to ask if we were all okay. I said I was having trouble being calm because I wanted to go level some country or another, whichever one was responsible. He pointed out that this wasn’t just nation against nation. It didn’t calm me down any. (I got better by the next day.) My next clear memory is leaving work and wondering why it was so quiet. Then I heard a fighter jet overhead and almost screamed. I got home and my then-husband was whining that there was nothing to watch on TV so he stuck in a video. I went into the bedroom and remained glued to the news until after midnight.
No relative of mine was in the World Trade Center that day. Several friends of mine have fascinating stories of being saved by coincidence. One friend of mine had to break the law in order to rescue her dog, who was in an apartment building too close to Ground Zero. The building was evacuated and she was not permitted to go inside to get her dog. She ducked around back, and took advantage of something that distracted the policeman guarding the stairs. She ran up twelve flights to get her dog, bring her down, and then smuggle her out.
Five years later, the most vivid memory I have is of my friend telling me how she had to rescue her little dog. I think I’m better off that way.
My cousin the reporter was with Rudy Giuliani that morning. He has two vivid memories. The first was that Giuliani proved to have a much filthier stockpile of cuss words than anyone had ever suspected…and he employed them while doing everything right. His second memory was of Giuliani NOT saying “Thank God George W. Bush is our President.”
In case anyone was wondering.
:bow:Thank you PJ…
I’m okay with honoring people who lost their lives attempting to save others; beyond this, the whole idea of these overblown observations of 911 makes no sense.
This is the worst, most disgraceful and embarrassing failure of our government since Pearl Harbor. Did we commemorate Pearl Harbor until after we defeated Japan? Well, last I checked, ‘the people who knocked these buildings down’ are still at large. Until we get revenge, I don’t want to commemorate, sorry.
That’s my one-sentence slogan for the Dems: “We’ll get Bin Laden; they don’t want to.” Or “We Get Bin Laden or your money back”.
As to the other thing that got destroyed in the ratings by the Manning Brothers, looks like Disney has been taught a lesson in the only way that’s meaningful; what a financial catastrophe for those bastards.
Hey, Air America just charged my credit card $49.95 on August 29 without my permission! [Maybe to pay for testosterone shots for Sam Greenfield?] I won’t sue the slimy crooks, if they promise to bring back my Morning Funny. Now. :sammy:
:billcat:
:fu::bf::rant1:
Travis! Seaniesean!…:banana::banana:
:nod:
5 years of 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11
:jason:the world cant wait drive out the bush regime!
and like mike said start stockpiling guns and ammo NOW!
Hey- Well, IM back from a crazy day. I was so tired and discombobulated that I drove towards NYC instead of New Haven…and that went on with Will telling me about his teachers and all for a good 15 minutes…then missed the exit on the way up and had to take back roads according to the Dunkin Donuts lady to Yale NH hospital…where it appears that …whatever… and she needs to see us back in a month or two because the test takes 4 months to come back…..
So then careened back and got a bunch of stuff done including sending a package to my goddaughter in Stockholm which cost more to send than the clothes and toys in it cost…..
And Will buing more wax tubes of sugar water that proceeded to leak all over him and the car….
and then to the mall to exchange ….ugh…
Anyway, in my travels and having little to listen to…besides that Air America is in New Haven at 1300 AM so I had Al for a while until he faded away in the middle of Christie Harvey…AND just whee I was feelign better because someone else had watched the Cheney interview and read the transcript, so was as troubled as Ive been feeling……
I wanted ot say that after losing the signal I jumped onto Nick’s podcast from before the weekend …and Nick, I really like this one. You get angry in the first segment and you rant about politics…I like that alot…and then more of the man in the street interviews which I love! You do that really well and its heartening to hear what people are saying in a red state….Now you need to do some when youre travelling out of the metro area….and something that I would suggest is thatyou print up a little business card that has the address of your podcast page, your email, and says The Nick Thomas Show or some such…That way when you approach people you can hand them a card so they feel like they have something concrete and know where it will be featured.
Anyway, I was very happy with this last one and I was wondering if you got to do one with your friend.
Man, what a sad day….I listened to Sirius CNN for a while playing the day 5 years ago (I hope that doesnt become a trend because its hard to take…) and finally I had to stop paying attention to the day.
My Mom got saved from going downtown because her friend got sick from the plane…Yay!
Um…
I’m so glad I went to work today (for once) – it got my mind off this 9/11 stuff and brought me back to the present…yeesh :hot:
crazy day, quick drive-by for now to say mr fk has a blog up today. {EDIT – I see PJ already posted – sorry} I told him i thought the last paragraph could infer a link between 9-11 & Iraq. He got a little testy with me (not on whether there’s a link – we ALL know that answer) :spank: When I re-read I see he didn’t, but I’m sensitive to that issue since this administration lies. :bf:
got this from Malloy’s myspace (bulletin sent)
“RadioPower
Novice Truthseeker
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
Posts: 93
Location: Command Bunker
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: The Turks moving to AAR – Malloy to replace them on Sirius? Reply with quote
I just got this lovely notice:
Quote:
You just made a deal with the devil.
I hope you enjoy the the ride.
Shelby
On Sep 11, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Young Turks – David (producer) wrote:
Shelby,
Strike another blow for independence, and another victory for the
corporate world.
The Young Turks have signed a deal with Air America Radio to be the
morning show, starting on Sept 18th.
We can start to realize what this means for our presence on Radiopower.
We will no longer be on Sirius, so that feed you’ve been using goes away.
Plus, Air America will have the rights to our audio, and I don’t believe
we will be allowed to remain on Radiopower. I don’t know if you have any
more insight into this process than I do, maybe from dealings with Thom
Hartmann.
So as you already know, this week we are on vacation and there are no
shows, and next week we are property of Air America. I will be out of the
office until Thursday, but at the end of this week I’d like to email you
with some more definitive comments than this email contains.
If indeed our run on Radiopower comes to an end, I have to send you a
giant thank you for having us on all these years, and for the great
support and exposure Radiopower has gotten us. It’s been a HUGE part of
our listenership and growth.
I’ll be in touch.
David
David Koller
Producer, The Young Turks
323-866-8200
This is how the Turks “thank” RadioPower?????
Thom Hartmann, is in the process of doing the same thing.
We have lost every program we help build to AAR and “exclusive” rights.
I’m so god damn pissed off right now I can barely type.
——–
The good news is; Mike Malloy now seems destine for Sirius Left 6pm-9pm ET?
Mike, so help me, you better force Sirius to allow RadioPower to co-stream.
Or I will have lost ALL faith in the Liberal American way.
Shelby LaPre”
:yawn:
🙄
:pup:malloy on sirius! i think i am switching!
Where’s that book report T?
:spank:
I-I…Uh, well….
malloy on sirius! i think i am switching!
If Malloy goes to Radio Power I’ll be able to listen for free on itunes I believe!
Gazans forced to scavenge for food in garbage dumps
Patrick Cockburn
http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick09112006.html
the:pup: ate it?
Exactly! :doh:
ha ha travis has to do book reports! :tongue: ok im off dinner with dad at fiamma http://www.fiammasteak.com/
#54 – that’s beyond horrible….
😡
my roommate works at fiamma great friggin steaks!
The Best War Ever
:doh:
http://tiny.bz/0qi/ :knit2::paranoid:
Football Rules Sunday night ratings
NBC’s new “Sunday Night Football,” featuring the hyped matchup of quarterback Peyton Manning against little brother Eli Manning, drew a much bigger audience than part one of ABC’s controversial miniseries “The Path to 9/11.” The game also beat CBS’s “9/11” movie.
http://tinyurl.com/qojx2
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:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
PJ – did you say DON’T get wireless NT ONLY G RIGHT NOW? I think we may need to replace and I remember you saying that.
Thanks in advance!
(great news, fred, mr fk told me not to fret as that would happen.) 😀
Olbermann will offer a special commentary tonight 911a
Check out this sneak peak:
The only positive on 9/11 and the days and weeks that so slowly and painfully followed it was the unanimous humanity, here, and throughout the country. The government, the President in particular, was given every possible measure of support.
Those who did not belong to his party—tabled that.
Those who doubted the mechanics of his election—ignored that.
Those who wondered of his qualifications—forgot that.
History teaches us that nearly unanimous support of a government cannot be taken away from that government by its critics.
It can only be squandered by those who use it not to heal a nation’s wounds, but to take political advantage.
Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being American first, and political, fiftieth. Nor did the Democrats. Nor did the media. Nor did the people.
The President—and those around him—did that.
They promised bi-partisanship, and then showed that to them, “bi-partisanship” meant that their party would rule and the rest would have to follow, or be branded, with ever-escalating hysteria, as morally or intellectually confused; as appeasers; as those who, in the Vice President’s words yesterday, “validate the strategy of the terrorists.”
They promised protection, and then showed that to them “protection” meant going to war against a despot whose hand they had once shaken, a despot who we now learn from our own Senate Intelligence Committee hated Al-Qaeda as much as we did.
The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a war, on the false premise that it had ‘something to do’ with 9/11, is “lying by implication.”
The impolite phrase is: “impeachable offense.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/#060
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Israel Lobby Watch
By PHILIP WEISS
09/03/06 “The Nation” — September 18, 2006 issue — -For progressives who are even mildly critical of Israel, a never-ending concern is the response of the Jewish community. Generally, Jews are among the biggest backers of liberal causes. But a common refrain from liberal Jews is that Hamas and Hezbollah represent threats to Israel’s very existence, and so conversations about policy take on an emotional and religious character. “There’s a deep schizophrenia in some of the Jewish community, and people who are at the forefront of every single rights issue, from racial justice in the United States to the ethnic cleansing in Darfur–on Israel, it crumbles, and there is all this hand-wringing,” says Sarahleah Whitson of Human Rights Watch. “And everyone [who is critical] is successfully marginalized.”
The struggle for Jewish hearts and minds explains the latest battle in the ideological war over the Middle East: the firestorm over Human Rights Watch’s reports from the Lebanon war. The New York City-based monitor issued a couple-dozen reports during the conflict, some sharply critical of Israel for killing civilians, and has had to fight a rear-guard action to maintain its standing among American Jews…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14818.htm
Re: 54 Most American cities have between 1% and 5 % of their population living on the street. They quite often have to root in the super market garbage dumpsters for at least some of their food. :shock::eek::eek::paranoid:
Katie Couric just referred to Bush as “not only the commander-in-chief, but today, also comforter-in-chief.”
:barf:
Congratulations, Miss Thang. You have now joined ABC on my boycott list.
:fu:
Anyone who would be comforted by the actions of Bush is delusional.
So this is the future of television news, according to CBS? I’ll stick with Lehrer, thanks.
So Malloy may be headed to Sirius? Sounds like Kevin may be buying himself an early Christmas present.
Especially if Malloy ends up not being the only AAR refugee to land there. :sammy:
WAIANAE, Hawaii — Bert Bustamante and his family look as if they are enjoying a vacation at the beach, with kids swimming in the ocean, fish frying on the grill and radio music floating in the air.
A closer look, though, reveals the truth: Life on the beach is about all Bustamante and his neighbors have.
They are homeless in paradise.
(snip)
Some end up on the beach because of drug problems, mental illness, sudden misfortune or simple economic necessity. Some have jobs in recycling centers, restaurants or hotels but do not make enough to rent an apartment or buy a house on Hawaii’s main island, where the median price for a single-family home is $635,000. Others simply want to live this way.
Many say living out in the sun beats a cold patch of concrete in an alley downtown.
“If somebody would come out here and take my family to somewhere we could afford it, I would take that opportunity,” says the 48-year-old Bustamante, who has been living in Nanakuli Beach Park since last fall. “Life is good out here, but I still don’t want to be here. I don’t belong here.”
http://tinyurl.com/zopjh
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Even in Paradise….but..but..but.,.it is such a good economy :barf::yuck::paranoid:
yeah, I’ll watch Keith Olbermann – he’s probably one of the few out there who won’t make me feel nauscious when he describes 9/11…
Nicki, I know that Jewish community stuff first hand
Hey everyone,
So is Mike Malloy really going to Sirius Radio? DAMN, I have XM. And I have an “Inno” portable XM Radio that cost me a arm and a leg.
As for the 911 miniseries? No commercials. I wonder who is paying for this broadcast? Randi Rhodes says the miniseries is based on the book, “The Cell.” And she says the author of this book now works for the Bush Administration! Is this true? Goddamnit. So it seems from Part One of the miniseries that Sandy Burger, George Tenet and Madeline Albright take all the blame for letting Bin Laden escape death or capture. And the general public is left to wonder what is truth and what is fiction. I donno. I guess this means I’m gonna have to boycott ABC and miss the third season of “LOST.” Damn!
So the “Young Turks” are taking Rachel Maddow’s place in the mornings? And Sam Seder moves to the Jerry Springer timeslot? And Rachel moves to Sam’s old spot. What was the logic in this schedule? :fustrate:
If the crapudrama only plays to a fraction of the 30 something percent is it really worth even talking about .. Cnick ..just quit watching TV like so many of us have .:yuck::yuck::fustrate::paranoid:
Cnick, it’s also rumored that Malloy is going to radiopower.org – if so, they have a free feed on itunes…. don’t know if you have that… I’ve got my fingers crossed anyway. Who knows, maybe Marc will surface at Sirius and radio power also?
Sam was creating to much outrage so AAR is getting him out of prime time ????? For some reason AAR likes to torture itself :yuck::yuck::yuck::eek::paranoid:
But who in the hell is gonna listen to Rachel Maddow in the evenings? :doh:
My internet connection was f*ed up when I came in from work this afternoon. I smell Karl Rove all over this! Prolly them Republican thugs been monitoring this blog and didn’t like what I said about Bush yesterday. So they did a “sneak and peak” at my place while I was away today. Trying to F with me! So Karl Rove if your reading this you can go FUCK yourself.
she’s difficult enough in the morning… :omg:
Yes, Susan Joy I have iTunes and YES, it does have Radio Power. So I have my fingers crossed that Malloy will be available on RP. But I kinda doubt it. Why would Sirius allow this?
Okay, I’ve had a long day and I’m only gonna post this once. Today. Again tomorrow. And so on.
PORTLAND MARONISTI!!!!!
Ol’ Zeb and I are planning to take Amtrak to Seattle on the 30th (because I can’t get Friday off at work) to see Maron at Giggles. Anyone from Portland who wants to join us, EMAIL ME at ms.gyspy@gmail.com. If you post it on the blog the odds are I won’t see it since my blog time is limited. PLEASE EMAIL ME.
If I don’t hear from anyone prior to Friday I’ll assume no one else wants to go with us and we’ll make our own arrangements. If someone has alternate travel arrangements they prefer, I need to know before Friday.
Okay, I’ve stressed that as much as I can.
:fire::fire::fire::fire::sammy::sammy::fire::fire::fire::fire::banana::banana:
Not to mention
:pup::pup::pup::pup::cat::cat::cat::cat:
Cats and dogs getting along! Oh, no! The world must be ending.
I’m better now. Time to go home and feed the :pup:.
I guess we’ll find out…other big liberal shows were available on radiopower. But if Sirius makes some kind of deal with Malloy who knows… 🙁
PJ, for wireless, did you say no to 802.11N and yes to G?
802.11n (aka MIMO) has not yet been ratified as a standard. If you get an access point now, it should be backward compatible to 802.11b/g, but the “n” part will only work with products from the same vendor (or have reduced performance, at best), engineered to whatever proprietary “pre-n” spec they are using. In other words, if you buy a Linksys Pre-N access point, you’ll need to pair it with a matching Linksys wireless adapter to get the extra benefit you’re paying for. And what you buy now probably won’t be interoperable (at the faster speeds) with equipment built once the standard is ratified (which will supposedly be next summer, give or take).
So, if I was going to by an AP (for home) at this point, I would probably go with a b/g one. They’re pretty cheap. If I lived in an apartment complex, I’d consider getting an A+G one (except my laptop doesn’t have an a/b/g adapter in it). But g will get you pretty good range, and pretty decent throughput (probably better than whatever your Interent connection is), and if you don’t have a bunch of pesky neighbors interfering with your signal (problem with b/g is that it only has three non-overlapping channels, and it operates at the 2.4 GHz range, which can have problems with cordless phones – have to be in pretty close proximity though – and some microwave ovens – especially if the microwave is in between you and the access point; Panasonics are the worst. I did my wireless project on 2.4 GHz interference last semsester).
If you needed to stream HD video wirelessly from one device on your network to another, then you might want the extra speed that MIMO gets you, but otherwise, I wouldn’t bother (at least until the standard is ratified) – especially if you’re not planning on adding a new wireless adapter to your existing computer(s).
Hope that helps
Yeah! What he said!…and the linksys SRX works really great!!
My regular Linksys wouldnt even go upstairs in my little house, but the upgrade to SRX makes it go even to the other house, through stone…or up and around stone…Thats a G system….
Kat- Its so sad that Mr feels so badly and so responsible. I just posted to him because I think that if he was making a documentary back then, he was doing a whole hell of alot more than anyone else, including the government, was…..
Anyway, I hope hes OK…and they havent put my post up yet because I think they check them first for obscenity and threats to the government…..:tinfoil:
thanks so much for taking the time to answer, pj. yes, it definately helps.
and thanks to rg for posting your im conversation.
Oh, and I made the switch to firefox again. hopefully i can get the plug-ins and what not figured out this time. safari kept lagging, closing and generally being a pain.
so far so good though and it’s much faster.
Keith is gonna have another special commentary tonight kids….get ready….Thank god for the countdown!
And I think that Bush should just keep talking…the more he and Cheney talk, the more ground they lose….the are so condescending…and yet, so stupid!
Well, I’m gonna slowly gait on down the line. Later, peeps.
…and firefox doesnt push my sidebar down to the bottom of my blog!!
Hey, Bush with Matt Lauer, said the exact same talking points and ways around questions…exact…that Cheney used with Timmeuh!!
Oooh, that Timmeuh interview is troubling….I linked to the transcript from my blog.
Attn SJ!
Elevation:
3100 to 4200 feet above sea level
Visitor Use:
Medium
Location:
begins, Ape Canyon Trailhead, Forest Rd. 83; ends, Loowit Trail #216
Trail Talk:
* Walk along the edge of a large mudflow from the 1980 eruption. Compare the terrain swept by the mudflow with the untouched area traversed by the trail.
* Hike through a growing plantation of young trees; then enter one of the few remaining segments of old growth forest untouched by the blast or mudflows.
* Catch magnificent views of Mt. Adams from grassy meadows on the east side of the ridge. Observe the wildflowers and watch for mountain goats which have been sighted in this area.
Trail Facts:
This maintained trail begins at the crumbling edge of a mudflow and then follows an old road through a young regenerating forest. It then climbs through a remnant of old growth forest and emerges into open meadows on the east side of the ridge. It continues along the ridge through patches of old growth and standing dead trees and climbs to open meadows and volcano scoured rock at the top of Ape Canyon, where it terminates at the junction with Loowit Trail #216.
Considerations:
· This trail has a steady upward grade as it climbs to Ape Canyon. Beware of steep drops and loose rock and lurking sasquatch in the Ape Canyon area at the top of the trail.
Connections:
The Ape Canyon Trail connects with the Loowit Trail #216 for access to the Windy Ridge area or a round-the-mountain hike. This trail is part of a popular loop for mountain bikers: starting at Windy Ridge, ride the Truman Trail #207 to Abraham Trail #216D, then continue south to the Loowit Trail #216 and follow the Loowit Trail to the junction at the top of Ape Canyon Trail.
(Ape Canyon is a former gorge along the edge of the Plains of Abraham on the northeast shoulder of Mount St. Helens in the state of Washington. The gorge narrowed to as close as eight feet in one place. The name alludes to an alleged encounter with several ape-like creatures, later called Bigfoot.)
:::puts on my hiking boots:::
Beware of steep drops and loose rock and lurking sasquatch in the Ape Canyon area at the top of the trail.
I heard sasquach is a rock ‘n roll fan… :nod:
Hey RG! Thanks for the transcript. I was meaning to ask for it put up somewhere where PJ’s filthy mouth wouldnt offend anyone….
down with censorship:bf::bf::bf::bf:!!!
There is where we play the concert. Or near there, in the Plains…:omg:
If you haven’t seen that documentary I posted a link to earlier – 9/11: Press for Truth; also linked on the sidebar over there – I highly recommend it. Much of what’s in there is stuff that we, here, are familiar with, but some of it was new to me (or just more in depth on some things than I’ve had the time for), and all of it was presented very well. I dowloaded it to my computer, and am now transcoding it and putting it on a DVD. Should look pretty OK on the (not HD) teevee (didn’t look too bad fullscreen on the computer), but I had to figure out how to convert Google video so I could make a DVD.
Anyhow, some of it was just very infuriating – and once again ABC was in the mix (as was the rest of the corporate owned media).
Wow, it’s hot out there.:hot:
Is it really hot there Trav? Its been beautiful here…cold in the morning and crisp and then warming up a bit…now its cold again. I had to turn on the heat last night.
Yeah, anything above 70 degrees is hot by my standards
Olbermann interview at Salon (I think you can just click through the ad, if you’re not a subscriber).
Richard Clarke
In case anyone missed this, I think this was one of the best commentaries of the day. ” This hole in the ground” clip
http://www.bloggermann.com/
Protesters at Bush wreath laying ceremony in NY
http://tinyurl.com/jrpma
Um, for some reason I can’t get the the Seditionist Radio to work.:roll:
:40: hooked
Grr. I need to cut the line :knit2:
is the line cut?
:pup: no, not yet. Just about though.
what do you mean?
I saw the GBheron today at the Locks…
hey don’t worry too much about that someone not responding…i have experienced the same thing..
Oh, Druid. Yeah, I’m trying not to think about it too much. I’ll have to write Cnick sometime, too. I mean, I’ve been pretty lazy about things lately.
Did you take any pictures of the Heron?
no he/she was flying overhead.
wow that article you posted was pretty heavy handed.
I guess.
I wonder if the person that took this pic got the same treatment you did when you tried
Did your pic turn out?
oh i haven’t loaded them yet..must find the cord.
Oh..well, you should do that the next time you get a chance.
I like these hats
are they hemp?
I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.
Those are crocheted.
Hey, I’m a muggle or whatever. I don’t know the difference:doh:
what does muggle mean?
Stephanie uses that term for people that don’t know anything about knitting, I think
never mind I found it.
some harry potter term
are you taking off?
In a little bit:nod:
sorry no stimulating conversation here tonight. Cool you found those photos. hope to see you around here tomorrow.:yawn:
:knit:
:bf::mad:
Stay cool
ok goodnight:yawn::peace:
yeah. later