OK, I think what we all need to do here is pick a buddy, so that if your buddy mysteriously disappears in the middle of the night, we’ll all know that the bushies declared them to be subversives, and took them away. I’m not exactly sure what to do after that, though. I mean, it aint like you can report it to the police. But at least we’ll know.
Before they come for you, you might want to check out Marc at Giggles in Seattle (where “Tickets Still Available” – of which I have two copies, because, even though I ordered “Not Sold Out,” somebody shipped me two of the same thing – was recorded) tonight, though. I mean, what better way to get through those waterboarding sessions than to laugh while recallign a few choice Maron bits?
Be careful out there – it’s a brave new world.
Wake up Shemanski! :pent:
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🙁 I have to work
I don’t feel good
What time?
Is it something you ate?
In a few hours. I don’t know, I just didn’t sleep well. I think I ate all kinds of crap because I didn’t have white castle
:rofl2: Lenders?
oh nicki
:pent::sdavid::joe:
I’m making peppermint tea. I’ll survive.
Sexually explicit IMs. :rofl2:
:spank:
How hot is that? :rofl2:
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Tom Kipper! :rabbi:
I’ll tell you about bagels later. There is a specific recipe. I think there was a NY times article about it
Bagel Oven Inc
401 Tarrytown Road
White Plains, NY 10607
this is in the same plaza as where I work (except it’s technically Greenburgh but they don’t care)
I know there is a difference between grocery store bagels and those found in places like Kornblatts. At least I think I do.
http://www.epsteinsdeli.com/home.html
Those goddam Czechs invented them.
I want a bagel emo. :omg:
the bagel store bagels have a thicker dough and they’re baked differently. I don’t remember the process. But they don’t ship well, which is why Lenders makes them the way they do, they found a recipe that travels better
my grandfather was a Czech. Isadore. He was a butcher. He died when I was about five. Bagels and cream cheese and lox (smoked salmon) is the thing to eat
Stop bragging, you arrogant east coaster. Damn. That tiny town of Hartsdale has more quality bagel joints than the whole city of Portland.
I read about kosher butchers in Isaac Bashevis Singer’s short stories.
:sdavid: (Bagel emo)
yes yes bitchy New Yorker. I have to learn to be modest.
Need to find good NY bagels, since bagels in Portland are terrible. … “Shake Shack” 23rd and Madison, in the middle of Madison Square Park. …
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actually I don’t know if grandpa kept a kosher butcher shop. I don’t think so. That’s the funny part of it. My told me some funny stories of how they were kosher except when they were really hungry he’d bring home meat.
there must be a place. Look for a place where they make their own bagels. And the bagels are big and have a very thick dough.
bagel Back when most of the Jews here in town lived clustered in and around Old South Portland, through the mid-20th century, there were plenty of good …
http://www.portlandfoodanddrink.com/
one thing the NY area has a lack of is good Mexican food. I think the West Coast has it over us there. And I love real Mexican food
A definition of terms, then. A bagel is a round bread made of simple, elegant ingredients: high-gluten flour, salt, water, yeast and malt. Its dough is boiled, then baked, and the result should be a rich caramel color; it should not be pale and blond. A bagel should weigh four ounces or less and should make a slight cracking sound when you bite into it instead of a whoosh. A bagel should be eaten warm and, ideally, should be no more than four or five hours old when consumed.
All else is not a bagel.
There are a few quality bakeries here. Hard to find, though. Hey. We have a number of micro-breweries. Why not bagel-makers.
Shochet
so that’s another thing I have to get you are some fresh bagels
It’s funny, because when I first moved to Portland and was working in the Pioneer Courthouse, there was a similar outfit right across the street, called Dave’s — “Jewish soul food,” my boss called its fare — and sure enough, there was the mother-in-law behind the register as you paid your bill and picked up your tray.
Dave’s is worthy of another post all its own, but what got me thinking about Hobby’s this morning is this story. Like my mom, Sam is now retired. But his sons still run the deli, and they’re sending free salami over to the soldiers in Iraq. I’m sure it will taste great to the fighters in the desert, but if they start to think about those monster sandwiches that you can get at Hobby’s, they, like me, are going to be homesick.
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“There are some good places to eat but your diet is somewhat limited to bagels, pizza, and sushi”
I remember Dave’s Deli. He had a Star of David on his door. That was ages ago.
aww, I bet that place was good
I’m a New Yorker. Is there anywhere in Portland to find a Coney Island style Brooklyn, NY knishe?
Which, of course, brings up my own NYC food cravings (and the substitutes I’ve found here, where possible):
* Matzoh ball soup: Mother’s has a nice one, with decent matzoh balls (although mine are better, she says not so modestly…)
* Chopped liver. Mother’s chopped liver will do – but serving it up on that soft bread? The travesty!
* Deli sandwiches – Rose’s, I suppose. If I must. But I’m sorry I never got to experience Dave’s Deli.
* Bagels? Don’t get me started, grr…
Nick? PDXFoodDude? Anyone?
I used to skip out of school and eat there sometimes. I am going to do some sort of investigation of the place. Draw it out. Let it’s story be told.
Dave’s :sdavid:
knish. That’s another NY thing. Although Meg says Chicago has its share of good Jewish knishes. I think they have a thriving Jewish community there
I would like to take you to Yona Shimel. Man, that place is something else. Wait, let me see if I can google it…
Rose’s Deli & Bakery Portland, Ore. Portland isn’t exactly a hotbed of Jewish cooking, …
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You can only ride on your old Portland reputation for so long and it’s really starting … Roses Deli is definatly the best place to get a reuben sandwich. …
portland…
http://www.rosesrestaurant.net/history.php
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what’s your favorite place to eat in the city?
Nicki Rose at Rose’s
I have heard of Yonah’s.
I’ll bet that many large US cities have “good knishes”. Cleveland? I read somewhere that Cleveland had a large Jewish population. Portland was, until recently, a medium sized town. It had a relatively small Jewish immigrant population–especially when compared to NYC and Cleveland. I have a friend from SF who is Jewish. His family settled in SF in 1844. He is a poet. Knew Jack Kerouac. I cannot remember his name.
I went to Rose’s when Rose was still there baking.
I’m going to read that book you sent me about the Jewish section
Laws “Flashing on the 60’s”, Snooky Flower’s Kosmic Flashback Band, the Vagabond poet Tony Selden and a Moby Grape Reunion all with giant light shows. …
His name is Tony Selden. He used to barnstorm colleges on the west coast, giving readings and showing films about Jack Kerouac.
that would make a great psychedelic concert poster. I can see it now…
A sociologist named William Toll wrote an excellent book about the Jews of South Portland. I used to give informal tours of the neighborhood. I was searching for traces of Marc Rothko.
give me a tour
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the link didn’t come through
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Ethnic-Middle-Class/dp/0873956109
wow, I’m getting a lot of access-restricted web sites on that one…
1.
The Making of an Ethnic Middle Class by William Toll (Paperback – Nov 1982)
Used & new from $15.00
looks like a good read.
Ifound a copy at Powell’s for one dollar. I loaned it to Marcia Moscowitz. She never returned it. Now the book costs big time.
damn, no William Toll in the White Plains library
Cleveland
The history of Jewish life in Cleveland, Ohio, began, not in Cleveland, but in the small town of Unsleben, Bavaria, on May 5, 1839. On that day, a group of 19 emigrants led by Moses Alsbacher departed for America, seeking escape from political unrest and economic and personal discrimination. They chose Cleveland as their final destination because a fellow townsman, Simson Thorman, had two years earlier made this thriving village on Lake Erie the base for his fur trading business. Arriving in late 1839, they found their first homes in the Terminal Tower-Central Market area.
A Torah scroll was among the belongings of this group of settlers, and soon after they arrived, they formed the Israelitic Society for worship. By 1850, the society had split permanently into two congregations, Anshe Chesed, today Fairmount Temple, and Tifereth Israel, now The Temple. Over the next 20 years, both congregations gradually adopted the Reform mode of worship under the leadership of Rabbi Isadore Kalisch, Cleveland’s first rabbi.
I didn’t get much of a chance to explore Cleveland when I was there, interesting
The slender brown-and-yellow Butler’s garter snake is a mild-mannered creature that spends its time sheltering in burrows and eating earthworms. But it has sparked a heated dispute between the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources and state legislators.
State Sen. Glenn Grothman wants to see the snake removed from the state’s register of threatened species, because, he says, the snakes are plentiful and their protected status has cramped economic development and community projects such as a high school sports field and an aquatic complex in Milwaukee suburbs.
If the Department of Natural Resources does not significantly reduce the amoun of protected snake habitat and set in motion the garter snake’s removal from the list by the end of the month, a joint legislative committee that reviews administrative rules will, legislators have said, invoke a law to suspend the protected status.
Department of Natural Resources officials and conservationists say that would be nationally unprecedented and could set the stage for attacks on state protected-species listings nationwide.
http://tinyurl.com/z5cwc
I went to a site to copy some stuff on the SF Jewish community. Well. Some rightwing nazi site glommed on me. I could not shake it off. Finaklly did, but it erased the info I copied.
oh shit. What was it, a forum?
Toll wrote that Portland’s community was very small when compared with those of Cleveland and other places. I read that Cleveland is home to over 80,000 Jews. (SF has 70,000.) Quality. Portland has quality over quantity.
#64: Tough choices sometimes with these protected species. I tend to take the side of the plant or the animal but that’s just me. I realize people are more “pragmatic” sometimes. I can’t see a way out of it though if the population of the snakes has risen sufficiently to take it off that list
yeah, you guys have the cool Jews 🙂
Seattle’s Jewish population encompasses three broad sectors. Ashkenazic Jews (those originally from the Rhineland in Central Europe) arrived in Seattle in the mid-nineteenth century, primarily from Germany and surrounding nations. These immigrants spoke German and some Yiddish, and by century’s end created Reform congregations that modernized and Americanized Jewish worship while retaining a strong Jewish identity. A second wave of emigrations of Ashkenazic Jews from Eastern Europe at the end of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries brought larger numbers of Yiddish-speaking, traditional Orthodox Jews into the Seattle community. In the early twentieth century, a significant emigration of Sephardic Jews (descendants of Spanish and Portuguese Jews expelled from the Iberian Peninsula in the fifteenth century) arrived in Seattle, primarily from the Isle of Rhodes and Turkey. Seattle’s Sephardic Jewish community retains distinctive cultural traditions, forms of worship, and language, and gives the Seattle Jewish community its unique profile within America.
Sephardic Jewish traditions are quite different. I really like their idea of “kosher” because it’s much broader
Now a pro Israel site has attached to me. Iris, or something. Very militant.
what do you mean attached, do you mean you can’t exit the site when you try?
blah I need to go to work
:omg: Nicki, don’t give in! Fight them! :tommygun:
Something called Bamapachyderm. And Vast rightwing conspiraacy. I could not return here. I had to turn off my computer.
I’ll be back early afternoon. :pent::sdavid::parrot::cat:
damn them :fist:
I would try to come here. But I would go to the bamapachyderm site. Like a bad dream.
maybe we’ll send a contingent to attack them later. I’ll talk to you soon :pent:
grrr. I’ll settle their score later. gotta fly
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/
Here it is.
http://bamapachyderm.com/
Somehow I was able to get in and leave. Now we can do battle. Not me and this computer, though. I am like a lamb at the slaughter.
:sdavid: For those hungry for authentic Jewish food in the midwest, check out The New York Bakery and Deli in Kansas City. It is the city’s oldest continuously operating restarurant.
It just keeps getting stranger:
On the early Sunday morning of May 18, 2003, the high priests of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, owner of the Washington Times and Religious Right enigma, gathered over a grave near Jerusalem (left) to hold a funeral for the Christian cross. They had been touring the Middle East in the name of peace. They proposed Moon’s teachings as the glue for Jews and Muslims, bewildering locals, and they held briefings on Mideast policy for the State Department, or so they claimed. They networked with politicians. And steam gathered for a big, big finale.
They buried the cross because it was Satan’s icon, Moon said, cleaving Jew from gentile, Christian from Muslim. Moon demanded a new symbol that everyone could agree on: the Crown of Glory. In February and March, 2004, on Capitol Hill, U.S. politicians would attend two ceremonies celebrating this gospel, the last climaxing with the selfsame Crown Of Glory lowered onto the Times owner’s head.
A surprising figure wrote a song especially for the campaign, according to the Reverend’s flock. That’s U.S. senator, Christian recording artist and longtime Moon friend Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)
http://tinyurl.com/gew5c
I think the idea of checking in regularly is a good one. I’m still here, I’m still working on a really exciting project that I’ll fill you in on soon. All I’ll say now is that if you want to be there at the official kick-off, and you’re in, or can get to, Bergen County in NJ on November 12, let me know and I’ll get you an invitation.
Meanwhile, I’m gonna go fight with the morons on Blue Jersey who are defending Bob Menendez’ vote to turn Bush into Hitler. :slap::tommygun:
and strangeHouse Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post last night that he had learned this spring of inappropriate “contact” between Foley and a 16-year-old page. Boehner said he then told House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). Boehner later contacted The Post and said he could not remember whether he talked to Hastert.
http://tinyurl.com/g2opc
And the Reoublican reponse:
Near midnigh they engineered a vote to let the House ethics committee decide whether an investigation is needed.
Among the Republican explanations during the night:
_Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill., chairman of the Page Board that oversees the congressional work-study program for high schoolers, said he did investigate but Foley falsely assured him he was only mentoring the boy. Pages are high school students who attend classes under congressional supervision and work as messengers.
_The spokesman for Speaker Dennis Hastert, Ron Bonjean, said the top House Republican had not known about the allegations. Shimkus said he learned about them in late 2005.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/29/national/w123452D40.DTL
Just don’t do it from here, or mention here. For one thing, it’s very doubtful it had anything to do with the sites you found yourself at. More likely some sort of a hosts file trick, or other browser-realted nasty (possibly even brought forth by analyzing files on your computer (like browser cache or cookies/history, that sort of thing). Usually they’ll either hijack your search results, or pop up a window related to your browsing, but I’m not up on all that’s out there theses days (when I was supporting computers, it was invariably a result of porn surfing or downloading malicious but “cute” little flash movies or the like). If rebooting cleared it up, then consider yourself fortunate, and get yourself some spyware protection.
And on the odd chance that it was a result of the sites you went to, stay away. Imagine what fun somebody who actually knows what they’re doing could have with you.
Hmm. Is it possible that Apple has found a new scam?
Good morning seditionistas…..I use the AOL Im buddy list to check on my peeps….My Mom uses it for me and my sister…as in, when I get up and turn on the computer she knows Im up etc….if she doesnt see me on she worries. I hardly use those things to chat but I do sometimes….they are just handy to keep track of people….
So you want me to add you to my watch list just IM me at luckymessmcb on aolIM….or Melina Brown on Yahoo IM….and Ill add you and keep an eye on you too….
But I suppose Id have to have emergency nmbers and stuff so if you didnt show up for a few days I’d know who to call…besides that I have access to some pretty hot east coast lawyers who like the limelight…I dont know if they do the guantanamo deal.
I rely on my dog. If I’m not around for a while, he’ll go bug my wife, and after a few days, she’ll get tired of yelling at him, and will notice I’m gone. Either that, or she’ll try to watch TV.
Oh and Suz and Nick- these are the best bagles in NYC….Essa Bagle- 1st ave….
NYC has the best bagles b/c of the water. This was the first stop for so many jews and I think that the early immigrant new world culture perfected official bagles in NYC, which has the best water anyway, so you cant really bake em (they boil and then bake) anywhere else and have them taste the same without the water from here…..
My father is on the west coast (ojai and Pacific palisades) and has been all through this and finally, after baking and searching for his whole life has finally admitted that you have to come to NYC to get the real thing…..so, Nick…come on!! We’re waiting for you…airfares are cheap as hell and you can stay with Suz!!
Gonzales Cautions Judges on Interfering
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who is defending President Bush’s anti-terrorism tactics in multiple court battles, said Friday that federal judges should not substitute their personal views for the president’s judgments in wartime.
He said the Constitution makes the president commander in chief and the Supreme Court has long recognized the president’s pre-eminent role in foreign affairs. “The Constitution, by contrast, provides the courts with relatively few tools to superintend military and foreign policy decisions, especially during wartime,” the attorney general told a conference on the judiciary at Georgetown University Law Center.
“Judges must resist the temptation to supplement those tools based on their own personal views about the wisdom of the policies under review,” Gonzales said.
And he said the independence of federal judges, who are appointed for life, “has never meant, and should never mean, that judges or their decisions should be immune” from public criticism.
http://tinyurl.com/gmq96
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EEEKKK- Nicki, go to your add/remove programs in the control panel and see if anything has been added to you computer…and go to Kim Komando and check her downloads for free spyware and virus protection. If you surf alot you will get hijacked like that…it happens on my desktop all the time from my son going to the game cheat and flash movie pages….you need to run a spyware remover every time you turn the computer off or on.
Fred, this terrorism thing is so horrible….Im just disgusted….
I was researching last night and I keep coming back to this problem with human nature. Knowing that it doesnt work and that the information gained cant be trusted so much of the time, what is in it for these sick guys?…and what of the prisoners at Guantanamo who have had all of their papers, letters, pictures, and attorney/client materials removed by guards because of the suicide thing that happened…..what of them ever seeing any sort of due process?
How can the American people go along with this…..I dont think that they can possibly understnadthat its not some remote thing happening to those bad guys over there…its us and our neighbors….and there is no recourse. The Times yesterday just said that the lawyers are bitter…..huh? Well, there is nothing else for defense lawyers to do but wring their hands and become bitter.
I meant…the torture thing…..if the “terrorists”…or whoever they are…
#93 😡 :rant1::no: :spank::spank:
not true, except for the TV part 😮
Well, the best thing that could happen would be for a few of the high-profile, pro-torture pundits to be picked up off the street and thrown into a cage somewhere w/o being accused of anything, charged with anything, or being allowed contact with anybody on the outside. The problem is that the 80%’ers think it’s just bad people that this happens to, and that they deserve what they get. The don’t get the mesage (nor will they believe it if they do) that this is happening to all sorts of people who are either just in the wrong place at the wrong time, or are unfortunate to have had somebody “report” them or otherwise get on a list somewhere.
What doesn’t get stressed enough is the basic lack of fairness in not even being able to know what you’ve been imprisoned for, and given a chance to plead your case. It’s evil, it’s un-American, and it shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Period. I honestly don’t know how any sane, reasonable person can not grasp that.
:knit: And here’s a Raging Granny song CNY Grannies will be sure to include in all upcoming rages:
:tommygun::jason::mad:
They Hired Them As Torturers
tune: The Happy Wanderer
by Granny Gail
Peninsula Action League Raging Grannies (SanFran area)
They hired them as torturers
Worked for the CIA
They didn’t call it torture
They said In-con-ve-ni-ence
Rummy said, Rummy said
Rummy said, Rummy a ha ha ha ha ha
Rummy said, Rumy said,
Said In-con-ve-ni-ence
Are we a nation built on laws
Respect for Human rights?
Or do we chuck our principles
When we get in a fight?
In a fight, in a fight
In afight, in a ha ha ha ha ha ha
In a fight, In a fight
When we get in a fight
Afghanistan, Iraq, New York
And in Guantanamo
We call for full disclosure and
Reform that’s not for show.
Not for show, Not for show
Not for show, not for ah ha ha ha ha ha
Not for show, Not for show,
Reform that’s not for show!
:joe::knit2::joe:
melina tell will to use gamefaqs.com to look up cheats and there wont be problems anymore!
I really doubt that the Reich have much of an ability to actually pick up and detain any large number of people at any given time.. The FBI has been really decimated during the Bush admin. I would think that the Reich might pick up some big mouth lefty talker .. Shultz’s disappearance or Frankens disappearance might attract some attention but the Reich’s media would just say they got canceled because of lack of interest . On the other hand if Olbermann was disappeared that would probably attract more interest but only until the drug stores got sufficient shipments of Prozac. :eek::yuck::rant1:
I find it a bit disturbing how politically inactive Dirty Underwear is these days. They are almost up to agreeing on the color of poster board for their virtual signs. As far as I can tell historically speaking fascist states that have gotten this far have continued to exist until they had that war that they lost :yuck::rant1:.
Well, how many people do they need to pick up, detain, and torture? Suppose you’re a vocal opponent of the administration, and you write lots of letters to the editor, and you organize and speak at rallies, and you maybe get enough credibility to go beyone being some harmless, random nut, and start to become a “problem.” So one night you disappear. Maybe nobody sees, or maybe they make a big noisy show of hauling you away, but, either way, you’re never seen or heard from again.
You think that would have an affect on the next person who thinks about standing up and being heard?
It’s just like the NSA spying stuff. Sure, they can’t process (yet) every phone call and e-mail that passes through their secret closet at ATT, but they can damn sure decide to start looking into what you’ve been up to, if they have a mind to.
:nana::penguin:
Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it….(from today’s NY Times)
IN the autumn of 68 B.C. the world’s only military superpower was dealt a profound psychological blow by a daring terrorist attack on its very heart. Rome’s port at Ostia was set on fire, the consular war fleet destroyed, and two prominent senators, together with their bodyguards and staff, kidnapped.
snip
What was to be done? Over the preceding centuries, the Constitution of ancient Rome had developed an intricate series of checks and balances intended to prevent the concentration of power in the hands of a single individual. The consulship, elected annually, was jointly held by two men. Military commands were of limited duration and subject to regular renewal. Ordinary citizens were accustomed to a remarkable degree of liberty: the cry of “Civis Romanus sum” — “I am a Roman citizen” — was a guarantee of safety throughout the world.
But such was the panic that ensued after Ostia that the people were willing to compromise these rights.
snip
“Pompey was to be given not only the supreme naval command but what amounted in fact to an absolute authority and uncontrolled power over everyone,” the Greek historian Plutarch wrote.
Pompey eventually received almost the entire contents of the Roman Treasury — 144 million sesterces — to pay for his “war on terror,” which included building a fleet of 500 ships and raising an army of 120,000 infantry and 5,000 cavalry.
snip
In the end, once he put to sea, it took less than three months to sweep the pirates from the entire Mediterranean.
snip
Pompey stayed in the Middle East for six years, establishing puppet regimes throughout the region, and turning himself into the richest man in the empire.
http://tinyurl.com/h747c
In the Denver area in 2003 just before the Iraq invasion the FBI picked up and questioned probably five to ten leaders of the local UPJ groups. The police also fired rubber bullets and teargas at one demonstration. What was seen as an inappropriate police response resulted in the UPJ groups sponsoring training sessions in the same kind of police containment and isolation techniques that protesters learned in the 1970’s.
If people are disappeared it will probably create more animosity than fear.
You might find the state and local authorities asking to FBI in a not very nice way to please leave.:yuck:
This is Foley the Page Seducer on Clinton, after the Starr report was publiched:
“It’s vile,” said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. “It’s more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction.”
http://tinyurl.com/z6788
But, that was before the President of the United States had the legal authority to suspend habeas corpus, right? If you’re saying “the people” will take to the streets and not allow this to happen, well, that’s great. I hope that’s what happens. In fact, I hope it happens before people start to disappear. I certainly hope it happens before I disappear (not that I kid myself that I’m “important” enough to be picked up and thrown in a cage, but I have neither the desire nor the courage to be a martyr for the cause).
The Roman empire was also destroyed by corruption , inbreeding and an insurgency of militarily inferior Goths and Vandals from the north.
If the SBR is mirroring Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s one has to ask if its 1936, 1938 or 1942.Very bad things began to happen to the Germans in 1942.:eek::eek::yuck:
Ha, this is what CNN considers “breaking news:”
Ya think?
The only difference will be that the UPJ meeting will still occur at the same time and place just with people with assault rifles standing guard at the doors.
If the State and local governments don’t cooperate the thugs will be SOL.
I’m sure the Colorado national guard has both Patriot missiles and shoulder launched anti aircraft missiles too.
The whole British army did very little to quell the violence in Northern Ireland. 😮
I think the important issue concerning Rep. Foley is that the house leadership KNEW, a year ago and kept it from both the Dems and the public. Now, they’re trying NOT to have an ethics investigation. Ah, deja vu all over again as Yogi Berra said.
Yeah the thugbot admins look more and more like the MAFIA is running the country.. Laws and ethics what is that?? .. :eek::mad:
I’m waiting for somebody to say it was OK when Clinton did it, so why shouldn’t it be OK now?
:nuts:stupid germans!
Ha! I got this image of a bunch of sad boys with dyed black, sideways haircuts and angry boys with dyed black mohawks on scooters swooping down on the frat boys with their togas! :rofl2:
im waiting for people to realize that the republicans were saving it to obscure real news like the Military Commissions Act of 2006 Foley is being used to obscure the reporting of REAL news!
Foley may obscure “real” news but it’s a sex scandal, easy to follow and sure to enrage the Rethug base, soccer moms, and the anti-gay dopes. If I were going to try to overshadow the torture law news I’d try some argument about whether or not it is OK to call Prez Nitwit a notwit, or some other such quasi -patriotic pap.
Personally, I think the Democrats should point out that Foley is just one more example of the craven, un-American, perverted Republican policies of lawlessness and torture, and all-around assholeyness, and how they are detroying this country.
Hey Fred…I know its kind of a joke, but some of us out here who have to take antidepressants in order to …um…stay alive…are still able to think pretty accurately and acutely about things…even the disappearance of someone as important as Keith Olberman…or even Al Franken.
Its the general practitioners who dispense prozac to too many of their patients who have any little ache or pain that give the whole actual medical problem that this treats a bad name….
But maybe you mean the prozac of bad education and Faux news…?
A lot of times authority is merely a perceived thing and when you rattle it and it comes unglued right in front of everyones eyes the people doing the rattling start yelling see. see. its one big bunch of BS.. then use that to their advantage. The Christian Reich apparently is not seeing what they expected out of this group of thugbots. ( I would hate to see any one worse though):eek::eek:
Antidepressant and anxiety drugs are so easy to obtain in the SBR I have to wonder how long the indignation and the outrage that AAR’s programming is suppose to incite lasts..Its just to easy to take a pill and forget about what happening entirely. Maybe that’s why Rhodes feels she has to tell the same story over and over and over and over and over and over again.:eek:
Yay, we’re gonna get us a fence!
I wonder, are we trying to be like the East Germans? Or Israel? Or China?
:penguin:the great fence of southwest U.S.:yippee:
Playing Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys and Electronic – OnAir – Listen now at http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
Call me on skype: cnickthomas
Let’s talk OnAir about this criminal Bush Administration!
We’re gonna need a shitload of whitewash, Huck.
well, I havent found a pill that I can take that makes me forget….My point is that SOME people take such things as diabetics take insulin or asthas patients need to take cortosteroids sometimes so as not to die….so, try not to make such sweeping generalizations. It really cuts those of us with very sick children and our own battles to fight to the quick to be lumped in with all the mindless democrats and all the others who are not out in the streets fighting the power….as if most people in this ocuntry can even see a GP much less get into a clinic to get all drugged out…..Its more like learned helplessness and lack of education that you are railing about….
And really Fred, not to become as indignant as you and some other often do about some issues here, but if youre speaking from a position of knowledge…as in, you know about clinical depression and anxiety and have spent alot of your life doing research and feeling horrible pain….then Ill discuss this with you…but if you are just going on about big pharma for whatever political reasons, give me a break….youre cutting off your nose to spite your face and youre treading into dangerous territory.
Just because they need to be re-regulated as far as advertising, drug costs, and perks to Dr’s, doesnt mean that you would do away with the medications that in many cases save people’s lives. There is just a lack of knowledge out there…..obviously….
This fence is supposed to be a double fence with a no mans land in between ( no land mines as of yet however) and these high tech towers made by Boeing.. Of course the fence, the towers and the tech not to mention the 1000 miles of road and the porta poties will have to be maintained. Its spelled BOONDOGGLE
I saw some numbers that indicated that the War On drugs intercepted less than 10% of the drugs that come into the SBR at a cost equal to about that of the street value of all the illegal drugs sold.
Anyone want to tell me what the point is with the “World Can’t Wait” group?
My RA gave me a flyer of theirs and a good 2 seconds into reading it I said, “And they mention voting in the midterm elections WHERE? Oh look, they don’t.”
I am also waiting to see what they do about the border crossings in the sixteen or so Mexican/American cities/towns that straddle the border. The economies of those places depend on their being an open border ..
All the rethugs that live in those places will probably vote to secede and join Mexico because taxes are lower over there.
Alabama plays Florida this afternoon. Can you spell defeat? I figure Alabama’s defeat will put Mark in a bad mood, nonetheless I’m gonna try to get him over to podcast. I’d like to talk live with someone out in blogland on skype to check my connection. Should anyone wish to call . . . my skype name is: cnickthomas
I am not clear on what WCW is up to. Most people observing past demonstrations saw nothing was covered on the TeeVee hence did they really happen ?? So what good were they ??
The reason the demonstrations in DC in the 70’s were successful was because they at least appeared to threaten the congress and authority.. with the possibility of a occupation/takeover/mob violence..
Such an incident would have really ruined the afternoon cocktail party. 😮
Even Gandhi who is touted as the leader of the most successful non violent protest movement in history had tens of thousands of his followers and himself beat up by the police and locked up for prolonged periods of time.
Demonstrations in the 60’s and 70’s usually had a civil disobedience component, such as a sit-in on the Pentagon steps. This required a police response as the demonstrators had to be phsically removed. That also led to thousands of people being arrested. Thus…media coverage.
Today it might lead to thousands of people being disappeared.
WCW? MIDTERMS? THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THE MIDTERMS!
As chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus, Foley introduced legislation in July to protect children from exploitation by adults over the Internet.
I keep seeing empty actions at my school, within the student body, etc. regarding politics and the elections (obviously).
Scouring the WCW flyer and wandering around the Chicago website, I keep asking myself, “Why?” and “Then what?” There’s so much energy being wasted chasing their own tail. “The Democrats won’t be our savior” or something like that…. “Impeach Bush!”… yeah. Alright…. and then what? Impeach him how? The World may not be able to wait, but it sure looks like it can especially with absolutely no plan.
Impeach Bush… yeah. Let’s do that. And let’s do that by electing Democrats to the House and Senate so they CAN START DOING THAT!!! I don’t care if they aren’t going to SAVE us…. but they can frickin’ start impeachment hearings!!! There’s a reason all to itself for fuck’s sake.
Le sigh.
If we impeach Bush we get Chaney as President. Are we really any better off?
A determined mob of several hundred thousand with teams knowing how to isolate and minimize the police and perhaps possessing their own snipers to mess with the police on the roof tops would cause the DC police force to have serious problems.. But.. No one is going to be in DC on Oct 5th. There will be no one to feel threatened. That would require training and preparation that I don’t see with WCW.
If you are going to get rid of Bushco other than by an election which may not provide the desired end result one is probably going to have to take lessons from Negroponte and what happened in Central America in the 1980’s :eek::eek::eek:
There is a solution to this problem, but it would require the sacrifice of men. We are in a quandary folks and such state of affairs requires thinking things through. Precision. Sacrifice. Our democracy is at stake here. Impeachment of Bush is not the solution.
WCW seems to raise money to advertise WCW in large newspapers and on radio…..what else? I cant figure it out, but I dont see how full page newspaper ads in papers where Bush is appearing are gonna help much. Bush doesnt read the papers and no one tells him anything that they cant display on a quick cut DVD…..but then, what would I know?
There was a pretty great full page in the NYTimes yesterday on Darfur….but there, the graphic of a starving woman over a grave and the statistics say alot….
Sue_P’s thoughts about thousands of people being disappeared are probably not realistic because they don’t really have the ability to do that , especially against a mob with the right training. The thugs would probably take captives though and it would not be pretty. I think the left only looks at the pictures of the hundreds of thousands of people in the streets in the 1970’s and think that was what caused the changes.
Unfortunately I haven’t the means to produce the desired results. I only hope that there are men out in this land who are disturbed with what is happening to our country. True patriots willing to sacrifice their lives to restore our democracy. Men who can get the job done. :paranoid:
Our country is ruled by two Caesars. Their rule must end!
By the time of the demonstrations in DC in the 70’s there were a lot of regular army and special forces people who were operating on the side of the peace movement. They provided training to other people in local groups who then knew a lot more about what they were doing and only used the mob to obscure their actions. I would think you would be able to still find some of those people as well as more recent ones not agreeing with the current situation. I doubt that WCW would want to advertise that part of their operation if it exits.
A mob with training? Can’t even get people to register and vote – what’s gonna motivate them to get themselves trained and then put themselves at risk? Love to see it, don’t get me wrong, but most of what I see are the occasional weekend demostrations where a bunch of people get together to hoot and hollar and speechify, and then go home and complain that they underestimated the crowd – or didn’t report it at all.
If this next election is stolen by the bad people, I hope the good people will get out and fill the streets and demand action – and not leave until things change. But if only half of the people bother to register, and only half of those registered actually can be troubled to take the time to vote – and half (give or take) of those being perfectly content with the status quo, I have a hard time believing that anything will actually happen. Perhaps the Nazis fell, eventually, but a helluva lotta people sure had to die horribly first.
Timing is critical here. We must be patient. Wait and hope for a restoration of Democrat control of the peoples House and if we are lucky the Senate. Then we must act without haste. Quickly removing the Caesars. Eliminating them.
The masses do not care who controls the government. As long as they are reasonably comfortable . . . i.e., they have their TeeVee and cold beer they will accept these fascists. It will take the act of true patriots to restore democratic rule to our country.
The price of regular unleaded gas here in Birmingham is $2.12 cents a gallon. Coincidence? I don’t think so!!!
Out of the several hundred thousand people there were probably 300 or so pods of maybe 50- 100 people each who were trained. The demonstrators were pawns of a sort. The Pods were from local antiwar groups and came together when there was a reason to.
Almost every state has militia groups of some sort numbering from less than 10 to maybe several hundred people.. Unfortunately they are usually on the wrong side. They find time to train and based on their pickemup trucks and weapons must also have jobs.
I think I’ll eat a Reeses cup now and get a little fatter. Mmm good. Better than a cold beer, just as intoxicating to me.
Hey quietgirl, I really liked the Rummy pictures. More please when you have the time. How about Cheney for the next round?
They haven’t disappeared me yet. I just went to get a haircut. Also cut my nails so they’ll have to work harder when they try to pull them out. Torture survival tactic. 🙂
Sherrod Brown vs. Mike DeWine on Press the Meat tomorrow morning. If I can stomach an hour of Timmy Potato Head, it should be interesting to watch. At least it will give me something to discuss next time I talk to my dad.
My boycott of ABC enters its fourth week tomorrow. Tonight will be the THIRD SATURDAY IN A ROW THAT OHIO STATE HAS BEEN ON AND I COULDN’T WATCH IT BECAUSE IT WAS ON ABC.
End of rant. Man, I hate ABC. But on the other hand, at least Ohio State is still undefeated.
Speaking of football…
Akron 7
Kent State 9
With over ten minutes left in the first half. Lots of time for the Zips to come back.
:dancers:
This Foley scandal will hurt them. It has lots going for it. Sex with a serving of gay and pedophile. A cover-up. The leadership knew for a year. If this happened to the Dems, they’d be dead. Here’s some more from the Washington Times :
Republicans scored significant legislative victories in the closing hours. They pushed through the bill for detainee trials after weeks of internal squabbling, won approval for 700 miles of border fencing to show they are serious about cracking down on illegal immigration, passed spending bills for defense and domestic security, and enacted new port security initiatives.
But the finale hardly went according to script for Republicans as they headed out to try to hold off Democrats determined to win a majority.
The highly publicized case of Mr. Foley, who served in the House leadership as a deputy whip, threatened to build into an institutional scandal as House leaders acknowledged that they had known about the messages for nearly a year, but had relied on Mr. Foley’s word that nothing inappropriate had occurred.
http://tinyurl.com/f9k8r
Oregon Business Journal Does Jeffrey St. Clair:
http://www.oregonbusiness.com/.docs/action/detail/rid/18921/pg/10003
What was the name of that communist leader who once said they would destroy the US without firing a single shot?
Seems like Geo Bush is doing a good job at destroying our democracy. Someone needs to get Bush and Chaney before it is to late.
The Foley scandal is just what the Repubs deserve. I am smiling at that one. A very BIG grin on my face. Take that you fucking hypocrites.
:nuts:hey as long as i have my videogames the repukes can do anything they want! now if for some reason their policies stop the shipments of the playstation 3:tommygun:
:hubba:i like jackie guerra she is working it!
Hey Bush. Yeah you. I am laughing at your superior intellect. You and your machine can steal elections, but you can’t seem to win wars! What a mess you’ve made of Iraq. It will be your undoing.
A Constitutional Shredding:
Rounding Up US Citizens
http://www.counterpunch.org/cohn09302006.html
:slap:
Hey seanie…do they have a ship date on that yet?
nick, Im trying to get a skype…they didnt have one at staples…now Im thinking that I should get the box that will make my phone be able to do the skype.
ship date on ps3? nov something i will go check and get back to ya
Someone on here download “Skype” and call me. http://www.skype.com
The survival of your Democracy depends on it!
Occupants from an interplanetary craft are calling earth on my radio station. Go here to listen, http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
Skype is not a thing its computer software.. You should have a headset with a microphone to use it
Well you guys missed it. The flying saucer landed, but has already left. The spacemen told me something, but I swore an oath to keep it secret. Sorry. You’ll all learn the truth behind why we are all here soon enough.
:nana:11-17 ps3 not that you will be able to get one! is that what will gets for christmas?
No 2000 years of waiting like the Christians! They got it all wrong. Ha ha. Look who’s laughing now!
So much for the “word of God”.
My aim appears to be a little off. Fix that for me PJ?
:nixon:im gonna be on a c-nick podcast!
:doh:someday!
are you now? So when are you gonna call me man?
Chicken! Blawk, blawk! Put that damn kids toy down and pick up a real gun. We’re fighting for our lives here! Goddamnit
So, is it possible to catch your dogs’ kennel cough? She keeps coughing on me and last night I started to get a sore throat. I downed a bunch of Vitamin C and the sore throat hasn’t gotten worse and has gotten a little better but I feel wiped out. It didn’t help that all I ate most of the day was cake, I guess. I could have got something from my friend and her baby too, I spose.
GD, ask and ye shall receive. Thanks PJ
George Bush has no intention of winning the Iraq war and now with the degraded state of our military can not win a war with anyone including one with citizens of the SBR. By taking Iraq, and now maybe Iran out of the oil production picture Bush has created the perfect situation for his oil company buddies to make a fortune on their finite and quickly diminishing resource. :yuck::yuck::gate::omg:
I never got that kind of service out of God.
So, is it possible to catch your dogs’ kennel cough?
Comment by Kristapea — September 30, 2006 @ 4:32 pm
Human health risk
Until recently, kennel cough was considered to not be a human health risk. Recently however, research indicates that Bordetella bronchiseptica may cause disease in some humans, primarily those with compromised immune systems. In normal healthy adults there doesn’t appear to be a risk factor but young children and immunocompromised individuals should take precautions against coming into contact with animals that have symptoms of kennel cough.
Krista, here’s the link to the whole thing:
http://www.maltesemagic.homestead.com/K1.html
And no more cake! At least for today.:smile:
Krista I think “the cold” is happening to everyone. .Everyone at work has it including.. hack.. hack…cough …cough.. fed..:eek::eek::yuck::yuck::tongue:
Kent State 37
Akron 7
With 7:20 left in the third quarter. I guess it’s time to see who the Zips play next week. 😥
Depeche Mode – World in my eyes. I love this song http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
Getting away with it – Electronic
http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
Depeche Mode – Stripped
:penguin:did you know there are rumours about jeffy the penguin?
Sean I hope we’ll have an audience of listeners when and if you should ever decide to call in. There has been piss poor interest in my little radio station today. I might have to file for backruptcy if this keeps up.
rumors huh? I like a good rumor!
Jeffy been hitting up on boy penguins?
Sean I hear that Jeffy :penguin:is actually Janice the penguin.. what do you make of this..:eek:
:penguin:more people would probably listen if i had jeffy call in!
Can you imagine if they lock all us liberals and creative ppl up. Everyone will have to listen to religious programming all day and night. And watch Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell on the TeeVee. It prolly won’t take long before we’d be liberated. One can only stomach so much. You know? :barf:
You think? Well Jeffy calling in would be fine with me. But I don’t speak penguin. Someone might need to interprete for me. Or is Jeffy bilingual?
So Jeffy has a nasty attitude about gay ppl from what I remember. I might have to get nasty with him if he pisses me off.
K. D. Lang – Lifted by love
cool gay woman or is she a man in drag?
Depeche Mode – Personal Jesus
blasphamy!
Being a rethug Jeffy probably speaks in a series of Cheaps:tongue::paranoid:
Re: Drive Time stories for Monday, 9/25/06
maybe you should use the link and listen for yourself they still have a CONTRACT with maron that they are paying off. oh and Marc Maron has no affiliates and THAT is exactly the problem the retards breached thier end of the deal by not syndicating his show! so uh take that my friend.
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Re: Drive Time stories for Monday, 9/25/06
AAR’s contract dispute with a former employee isn’t certainly doesn’t mean that they are filing bankruptcy. Oh, by the way, rumor is you don’t even live in the WNY area. Why do you care want this station to go under so badly when it’t not even in your area?
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from here http://whld1270.com/n_blog.php?postid=32
its too bad i cant do an antarctic accent
oh crap i think i hear lawton on ring of fire talking to gw!
Madonna – Vogue
strike that pose girl
Lawton calls in to Ring of Fire?
Well folks I’m gonna take a food break. I’ll keep the music playing on my bankrupt radio station. But I’ll be out of pocket long enough to feed my face!
it wasnt “lawton” officially but it was his voice!
:fire:im out of here im me seaniesean5 on aim!
From reading that blog linked in your post Sean it appears Jeffy likes to stir up shit. He’s got them ppl going over there huh? Bring it on. You silly penguin!
I’ve never understood that firetruck. Would someone please explain it to me. I wasn’t here from conception. So I’m in the dark.
My station has been on air for over 4 hours and nary a listener. Chapter 11 is just around the corner I fear.
Promises, promises – Dionne Warwick
Michael Buble – Quando, quando, quando
Not that anybody cares, but SU is now over .500 (3-2) for the first time in, well, at least a couple of years, anyway. It took double OT (and it was only Wyoming – which sucks – but anytime my Alma Mater beats Dick Cheney’s Alma Mater, it’s a good thing), but SU came out ahead, 40-34. That’s three wins in a row, after losing in OT to then-#14 Iowa. Might be the last time we have a winnign record for while, so I figured I’d better enjoy it.
Cnick, as for firetruck, listen to this (mp3).
Melina re: 94 – thanks for the bagel shop recomendation, I’ll try to check it out when I’m in the city. I never thought of the water as being the reason for good bagels, but it’s an interesting thought.
Or that NYC would have “the best” water. I don’t see it as a Berkeley Springs winner.
Of course it is…I meant a headset or a box that will allow me to use it on my phone…..obviously….
Well, in those city tap water taste tests…there is something about NYC water…and its supposed to be up in the top of best tasting water. Yes siree….or it was anyway.
But Ive heard for years from bagle people all over the place that the difference is the water. And I spent many a year out on the left coast looking for a good bagle.
But, God, I just read about the water problem in India because the infrastructure is so bad in the cities, and its so bad that middle class people (not to mention the poor) spend all day gathering water as sewage flows through the streets in most places….it is so horrfying….NYC’s water system is on its last leg and I dont know how close they are to completing the replacement main.
I think Fred misunderstood you Melina. Whenever you do get a headset or a phone it would be nice to try this skype thingy. I don’t even know if I have it setup correctly. Can’t find anyone to call me.
Well, I wouldn’t doubt that it’s the water (I mean, try cooking somethgin with crappy water some time, and see how it tastes). Wegman’s in DeWitt, NY makes a mighty fine bagel, too. Nowhere in the DC area did I find bagels (the crappy Thomas’ or Lenders or those of that ilk do not count). Not even a Brueggers (which also makes some mighty fine bagels – at least in this area – and damn good coffee, too. Much better than that Stabucks swill).
Well, I have Skype (and Freeworld Dial-up, which is actually better, though not as popular), but my soundcard uses the microphone input for the center channel in the 6.1 stereo, and I seem to have misplaced my USB headset.
I was figuring there was more to this firetruck thing than a voiceover. Hmm, well at least the mystery is solved. Thanks PJ. Sorry for being so dumb. Or out-of-the-loop.
It’s cool PJ. If you should locate it sometime give me a call. We’ll talk on air. Make our own radio show.
I just upgraded my internet service to 10 megabits download and 1 megabit upload. So that extra upload bandwidth will help with my broadcasting.
Hey, how would you know, unless you knew? Funny thing is, I went away for a weekend, and came back to find that somebody had stolen my goddman shoe. Have had my eye out for John Kerry ever since.
:rofl2:
Or that NYC would have “the best” water. I don’t see it as a Berkeley Springs winner.
It is something NY’ers like to say. The water in NYC and nearbye suburbs comes from upstate NY and doesn’t have go through treatment plants and is supposed to be pretty good. I’ve just been drinking bottled water for so long that I’m used to the taste of it and can’t really drink tap water easily, I’m not used to the taste anymore.
the NYC water system on it’s last leg? I haven’t heard anything about that, what’s going on with it?
Ah, it’s fun to watch all these Republicans scurry around, trying to cover their asses over this Foley thing. I don’t know if the traditional media will ignore this stuff or not, but you’d think that anybody with kids would be creeped out – not only about having pedophiles around, but by the Republican leadership keeping this covered up for at least a year. I just hope there aren’t any Democrats out there, about to be exposed for having a predilection toward underage kids.
but its not kosher
That’s why I looked it up, actually, because our water comes from Skaneateles Lake, and is supposed to be very highly rated. Skaneateles, NY, by the way, is the home of Barry Crimmins.
I just got push polled!
Well, I got polled by the Conrad Burns campaign. Or should I say the “Common Sense…” whatever whatever group.
Are you planning on voting in the elections on November 7th?
yes
Are you planning on voting for Senator Conrad Burns?
NO
Are you planning on voting for Jon Tester?
YES! :yippee:
Would knowing that Jon Tester voted for 500,000 (???) tax increases in the Montana Senate and will not sign a “no new taxes” pledge while Conrad Burns has NEVER voted for a tax increase in his Senatorial career change your opinion of Jon Tester?
NOT ONE LITTLE BIT
The fact that key leaders knew and did nothing ought to weigh on these ppl who think Republicans have a lock on family values. If we’re lucky they’ll stay at home, sit out the election. I would not put anything past these Rethugs stealing a few elections to continue their rule.
I remember seeing a thing a while back that many of the pipes in the NYC water distribution system were still the old wooden ones, and that they had valves they don’t dare try to shut, ‘cuz they don’t think they’ll ever open again, so it’s one of those disasters waiting to happen.
Yeah, if this country wasn’t spending billions of dollars in Iraq we could afford to upgrade the infrastructure here in the US.
232 oh yeah, the observant Jews won’t eat crustaceans. Bottom-dwellers and all that. That’s a little extreme to me, but who am I to say… I stopped being kosher when I was about 6 or 7 and my stricter grandmother moved to another neighborhood and my dad decided we were all going to have bacon sandwiches one weekend and there was no turning back…
Wood pipes! Damn I never heard of wooden pipes. Cept the kind you smoke from. Grandpa had one. That smell gave me a headache.
236 – oh jeez. Yeah. Wooden pipes deep underneath the ground. Damn that reminds me of the Stephen King book “It” :omg:
Used to smoke out of a corn cob pipe. It was nice, ‘cuz even when you ran out of, um combustibles, you could just keep on smoking the bowl part.
Ah, it’s fun to watch all these Republicans scurry around, trying to cover their asses over this Foley thing.
Comment by pjsauter — September 30, 2006 @ 6:46 pm
Interesting choice of words there PJ.
:rofl2:
Their prolly gangbanging one another if truth be told.
Heh. I like what Matt Stoller wrote over at MyDD:
Final score, since I know how desperately everyone cares…
Kent State 37
Akron 15
The Zips fall to 2-3 overall, and 0-2 in the MAC.
At Cincinnati next week. Who the hell knows.
🙁
The Republican leadership is a group of psychotic Office Space type banal tyrants
So that makes Hastert Bill Lumbergh? :rofl2:
Sorry, Mark. We’re going to have to move you down to storage room B, mmkay?
Seriously, the Florida Repigs thought this seat was a lock in November. They’re scrambling trying to get Foley’s name off the ballot, but ballots are already printed and they are past the deadline, so they are SOL barring any Katherine Harris-like intercession. We hope. :nana:
ha ha, keep us posted Kevin.
I don’t think Bush finding Bin Laden would help them now.
Now we must worry over those electronic voting machines. They’ll steal the elections if possible. Can’t we get hackers to do the same thing. God I thought all computer geeks were liberal.
Yay! Nellie learned the doggie door today! :pup:
Bushco on a Rampage against the Constitution
Torturer in Chiefhttp://www.counterpunch.org/nader09302006.html
A Brooklyn rabbi :rabbi: , of the Lubavitcher group :omg:
said many religious leaders were advising their Orthodox followers to buy water filters if they can, according to Associated Press.
:no::jesus:
:sdavid::sdavid:
:rofl2:
Foley’s Repub seat going to the Dems. One down, 14 to go. Does anyone have a projection sheet handy? (How is it looking for the Dems in ’08?)
Ralph Nader is one of the reasons Bush is in office.
:joe:
:fire:
:pent::sdavid:
Bush and Chaney need to be eliminated. And I think everyone here knows what I’m saying.
:tommygun:
:banana::banana::banana: Oh Happy Day
Bring it on Bush you motherfucker!
We can thank egotistical assholes like Ralph Nader for the shithole we’re in now. Thanks Ralph. Your article wouldn’t have been necessary had you joined with Gore to defeat the Republicans. Nader can take this :fu:
Its a simple strategy: Divide and conquer.
If liberals and progressives don’t coalesce around the Democrats we deserve what we get. More of the same. Our Democracy will be forever lost.
Whining babies wondering where you’re civil liberties have gone? Some ppl make me want to :barf: and :crap: at the same time.
Republicans are experts at winning elections. They cheat and lie like there is no tomorrow. Now if they could only learn to win a war! Like the Iraq War! We know that war on terror is nothing but BS for the simple minded folk amongst us.
Christians are idiots! Waiting for JC. What bullshit is that? Get a clue Christians. 2000 plus years! Gee, Where is he? Huh? Your precious Jesus Christ. :crap: and :barf:
We need to eliminate Religion and Bush and Chaney! Get rid of all this crap and all these crappers! They’ll use you if you let them.
I wish these Christians had Geo Bush, Dick Chaney, the Ten Commandments and the Republican party all shoved up their ass. Then maybe they’d be happy. You think?
Forgot someone. Let’s see if we can find room for Jesus Christ up there too.
Its a good thing the world isn’t wired with explosives. Cause if my hand was on the trigger I’d let it rip.
BOOM!
:slap:
That’s me on the left butch slapping Bush. Take that you motherfucker.
Al Gore is one of the reasons why Bush is in office. It should have been a cakewalk in 2000. Nader did not get enough votes in 2004 to make a difference.
The Demos have so demonized Nader, that their followers cannot even read articles he has written.
I personally can’t read any of the above. It’s all angry gibberish
and just when I try again to read it I get “we need to eliminate religion” which demands at least a 2,000 word answer but I’m too angry right now, I’ll get to it tomorrow however.
I’d like to torture Bush! Give me an hour. I would have so much fun.
While in Congress, Al Gore was not only a hawk, but also a voice against homosexuals, whom he called “deviants.” Gore also preposterously claims to have always “supported a woman’s right to choose” when, in fact, he has an 84% pro-life rating from National Right to Life, even stating that he believes in “the fetus’ right to life” and voting for the Hyde amendment AND Rep. Mark Siljander’s effort to undercut Roe v Wade.
Michael Donnelly 2000
To each his or her own I guess Susan Joy.
So we were better off with Bush NickiRose?
no, you didn’t say “to each his own” you said “eliminate religion”. That’s not saying “to each his own” I happen to be religious
I really do not care if you like what I write here or not. Don’t read it.
it’s a false choice. If we keep supporting these corporate goons on the other side we’ll just get two weak parties. There’s a viable option to support alternative candidates to build up their strength.
I just Heard Peter Werbe’s announcement on his future at AAR. Starting Monday, John Elliot will be the evening host. Werbe said that this current run was never intended to be permanent. That he was a temporary. He also said that he would probaably be back to fill-in.
I think the world would be a better place without religion.
your support of these third parties have brought us Bush. Please!
You’re entitled to your opinions on religion or anything else, but if you write it with an attitude that your way is the only way to do something, you’re not going to like what you read on the other side. People don’t like to be told what to do any more than you do.
that’s not true. It’s Americans fear and willingness to listen to propaganda to alleviate their fears that brought us Bush.
No. I said that Gore lost in 2000 because he was a weak candidate. Had he ran a strong campaign, it would have been a cakewalk for him. But that would have pissed of his buddies in the DLC.
see if I said “I think you should eliminate agnostics or athiests” you’d be all over me. But I’d never say that, because I believe people should have choices
We are stuck with religion. I am not stupid enough to believe that religion will ever be eliminated. But this world would be a better place without religion. That is my belief.
I disagree with you NikiRose. I see you are as stubborn in your beliefs as I in mine. :dancers:
if you said “organized religion” I might think you had something there. But there are spiritual people who don’t really follow a political/dogmatic system of thought.
So Susan are you expecting JC to come back someday?
I do think democratic candidates of late have run weak campaigns and been weak candidates. John Kerry. The reason he lost is not that a third party got in the way, it’s because people looked at him and knew that he was weak, and also that he had views which in some ways weren’t really different from Bush’s. But Bush expressed those views better, so they went with him.
If he came back, the real Jesus, it might not be so bad — but I’m not Christian, if that’s what you mean
They went with him because he preached their message of hate. The hatred of homosexuals because of religious teachings. The porported “Word of God.” And these third parties tipped the balance in Bush’s favor. But I guess we’re better off with someone like Bush, if we can’t have Ralph Nader huh?
Respond to #179.
I am tired of religion being used as a tool against homosexuals. I guess you have to have walked in my shoes to know how that feels. In the name of God?
we’re better off if people vote intelligently. The two party system has got to go. There is no true choice right now. My religious attitude is not anti gay and I would never follow any teachings that discriminated in that way.
#179?
The Democrays did not want it bad enough. If they did, there would have been a situation like there is now in Mexico.
So I have built up a lot of hatred myself for the Republican Party and Christianity.
While in Congress, Al Gore was not only a hawk, but also a voice against homosexuals, whom he called “deviants.” Gore also preposterously claims to have always “supported a woman’s right to choose” when, in fact, he has an 84% pro-life rating from National Right to Life, even stating that he believes in “the fetus’ right to life” and voting for the Hyde amendment AND Rep. Mark Siljander’s effort to undercut Roe v Wade.
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While in Congress, Al Gore was not only a hawk, but also a voice against homosexuals, whom he called “deviants.” Gore also preposterously claims to have always “supported a woman’s right to choose” when, in fact, he has an 84% pro-life rating from National Right to Life, even stating that he believes in “the fetus’ right to life” and voting for the Hyde amendment AND Rep. Mark Siljander’s effort to undercut Roe v Wade.
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again, all religion is not anti gay. Maybe it is in your area, though. I’m tired of people stereotyping all religion a certain way. And don’t play the “you don’t know” card on me. I can comment on any issue because I have intelligence. I don’t have to be gay, just like you don’t have to be a woman to comment on woman’s issues if they came up in this forum.
The Democrats are a minority party. They depend on a coalesing of liberal and progressive groups to survive and win elections. If these groups would pull together for the common good then we could win elections.
Niki I contend that Al Gore was ten times better on the issues than Geo W. Bush. See what we got from your mentality. 8 years of Bush. And the damage he’s done to this country. Please.
I really do not care about women’s issues and I cannot think of a time when I’ve commented on them.
I’m trying to find stuff on Al Gore’s stance on civil liberties and censorship. So far I’ve only come up with Tipper Gore, and that’s not quite the same, though that woman pissed me off more than any Republican a couple of decades ago when her group started slapping labels on records…
so that means you can’t? Oh, ok. Whatever. I reserve the right to free speech on anything I feel like commenting on myself.
You are deluded. Do you recall what Clinton brought forth in his 8 years? A lot of it was not pleasant. He fucked things up so badly, that the rightwing was able to take the house. Gore would have been a continuation. We need a maass movement to establish democracy in this country. Without that, we will continue our slide into hell. No matter which party is in control.
I could comment on women’s issues. But I choose not to because I am not a woman. So I think there are enough women around to take care of women’s issues without this gay man commenting on them. I support your free speech rights. And you are more than welcome to comment on anything you choose Susan Joy.
Clinton got a blowjob and the religious right was after Clinton from day one because he favored Gays serving openly in the military. But he ran up against a brick wall in congress. So Clinton compromised with “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”
I’m not anti gay, and I’m sympathetic to gay rights issues, and I’d take issue with any candidate or religious stance was against gay rights or any free expression of sexuality, for that matter.
The religious right went after him from day one. They spent millions of dollars investigating Clinton and what did they get him on? Lying about an affair with a consenting adult woman. WTF.
So you must like what Bush has brought us in his 6 years in office?
I am a realist. Not an idealist. I am pragmatic. Politics is like chess. One must take great care in ones moves. Least we end up with someone like Bush.
Clinton was no bed of roses. Many of his policies were awful. New Deal programs gutted. NAFTA. WTO. Unnecessary war on Yugoslavia.
Time for a change. Real change.
I would have to agree with that. Seems like what we have now is beyond repair
So why don’t you compare the damage Bush has done to this country with what you claim to be the damage done by Clinton? Is there really any comparison NickiRose? Give me a break!
You are the delusional one here.
I guess you agree with Bush and his croonies that everything is Clinton’s fault?
Both presidents were fucked up. Both major parties are corporation whores. It’s just that the left tends to organize against the Republican administrations, but unfortunately give the other side a pass. Time to stop the hypocrisy.
well said Nicki. Time to make some chamomile tea. I enjoyed the book let on Portland’s jewish section
I’m wondering if there really is any hope for this world. That is why I am so fustriated much of the time. And wonder if a place such as this has any right to exist. The hypocracy. The hate. It would serve man right if an asteroid slammed into this planet and blew it into a billion bits of insignificant matter. I am beginning to hate this country. And this world.
Divide and conquer. You’re following Roves plan to the letter. There is no hope.
Howard Zinn said that the Democrats give people a ledge to stand on in their organizing efforts, while the Republicans do not. I hate Bush. I hate the fact that he got away with stealing the election in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. But I am disturbed that the Democrats are no opposition party.
Only a momentary respite. Then the Republicans will return again to divide and conquer.
If the Democrats really wanted to take Rove out of the political scene, they could. He serves a useful purpose for them, apparently.
Re: 308
No. You organize on that ledge, then come off of it in large numbers and establish real democracy.
So how do they take Rove out Nicki?
:joe: Much better. I want to bring plenty of this stuff (and White Castle) to the revolution.
Have you viewed “Bush’s Brain”?
I’ve ranted enough tonight. Remember, despite our differences we are in this fight together. :nixon: Goodnight NickiRose and Susan Joy.
sounds like an oxymoron to me – Bush’s Brain
he he, later ppl
Rove knows the Democrats operate on shame and guilt and cowardice. So he designs propaganda to shame them and they go along with it. (I still need to see that video!)
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If you have ANY information regarding NICKI ROSE, please email me rad451 this is very important, I’ll explain why later.
thank you,
Renee
Check your mail.
I want you to explain now!!! :no:
I don’t think the mail delivery person comes at this hour… :omg:
That was old news. Someone in CT got a mysterious package in the mail. Used internet to try to get answers.
hehe, this is still my favorite emo :omg:
ah yes. those mysterious packages.
BUSH's BRAIN. Check for that in the mail.:sdavid::pent::pent::pent::pent::pent:Shekinah:jesus::jesus:
Shemanski:pent::pent::pent::sdavid:
well yes.
Lots of MySpace activity. Heating up again. I need to engage in the muse.
I meant that Mr. Scream was my favorite for every day usage. the other one is….special. Like White Castle.
I saw that the group is getting going, I’m really happy about that
Special and exclusive. :omg:
They are dredging up old Majority Report blog postings of mine.
for a certain person and certain situations, yes :pent::sdavid:
is that what that was? Google is a truly great tool
I do not know who is here but I read the horrid things said about Al Gore and want to respond except that I have too much immediate things to do to CHANGE this pathetic administration. What in the bloody hell is others doing? Also NickiRose have you seen what is done to the poor animals to “make them KOSHER, which is even WORSE than regular :growl: :fist: slaughterhouse methods:!:
Nader did not cause the election and this Dem have proclaim this to others. The reason Al Gore F#$%ing loss = DIEBOLDT (sp) and with lazy folks not voting and the “blank” cheating of rethugs.
TRY BRINGING FAIRNESS BACK AND S T O P dividing the vote. REMEMBER:
IN UNITY THERE IS STRENGTH:!:
NADER BECAME A WHORE when he sold out to the rethugs , WHEN HE WAS LOSING:!:
Everyone with a different view TELLS all how to believe, except if they “believe” as they do … and do notice I AM JUST RESPONDING to your demands as to how one should believe.
I am ready for a debate … bring it on. Facts not just personal beliefs.
I eat bagels, not horses.
debate can happen tomorrow. :parrot: frankly the chamomile dissipated the revolutionary aspect of the Shekinah, she’s more in playful modality now
If one supports Kosher, then one supports the slow, cruel, wicked slitting of a cows throat, letting the blood run out slowly while the poor beast is hung upside down being hanged by its back limbs.
so who’s kosher over here? I haven’t heard anyone who is
Lenders Bagels. Goy grocery stock. West Coast. :omg:
Isn’t that what they did to mussolini?
I saw MANY posts speaking horribly about Al Gore:!:
Lenders bagels ARE easier on the stomach…I’ll say that much…a big Jewish style bagel with everything shmeared on it makes you feel like you gained 10 pounds…(though it’s more yummy)
is he god? can people not present both sides? Why should ANY politican be worshipped?
then defend him. I’ll read anything you send to this group and respect your views too
Is Gore Kosher? I know his running mate was.
Saying how Gore lost — instead of foccusing on a FAIR vote and how Bush was never “ELECTED”= All Was A LIE, thus ALL bush has done is invalid!
oy Lieberman
The government is unresponsive to the needs of the little man. Under 5’7″, it is impossible to get your congressman on the phone.
– Woody Allen
Bush, Pull out
Like your father should have.
I’m sorry, that quote appeared on my google page and it caught my fancy 😛
:omg: hehe
I got online and saw many writings about how it is ALL Gore’s fault. Which is totally untrue! If one brings it up then I will do what I can to dismiss the untruths spoken about Al Gore.
I will reread but I saw Kosher being talked of a fair amount except for Susan Joy speaking of stopping when her dad went to bacon.
I’ll do more research into the kosher/animals rights thing. You got me curious about it. No, I don’t think “it’s all Gore’s fault” I just think it’s good to know everything you can about a politician. It’s not good to have idealized versions of any of them.
I disliked Lieberman :barf: but wanted Gore in. I didn’t like what Tipper was doing regarding the labels on music, but there were differences. Gore even embraced the Tibet/Buddhist faith, although he was definately Christian.
I am not into the Judeo/Christian Pantheon. I knew the good points and bad points about Gore, but he, at this time , is our only hope, I truely believe. I have looked into all aspects and ideologies. I am not bitching about the past, except this illegal administration.
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Nader supporters said that Gore’s campaign themes were largely a creature of the “centrist” and corporate-supported Democratic Leadership Council, which had once been chaired by then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. The U.S. presidential election, 2000 was hounded by the Florida situation, and some Nader supporters suggested that the Democrats should blame the Supreme Court for calling a halt to the Florida recount, thereby effectively declaring Bush the winner.
Centrist – code word for corporations
On April 5, 2004, Nader failed in an attempt to get on the Oregon ballot. He vowed to gather the necessary signatures in a petition drive. “Unwritten rules” disqualified over 700 valid voter signatures, all of which had already been verified by county elections officers, who themselves signed and dated every sheet with an affidavit of authenticity (often with a county seal as well). This subtraction left Nader 218 short of the 15,306 needed. Secretary of State Bill Bradbury disqualified many of his signatures as fraudulent; the Marion County Circuit Court ruled that this action was unconstitutional as the criteria for Bradbury’s disqualifications were based upon “unwritten rules” not found in electoral code, but the state Supreme Court ultimately reversed this ruling. Nader appealed this decision to the US Supreme Court, but a decision did not arrive before the 2004 election.
based on Wiki article
there is an active plan to suppress third party politicians. It’s obvious. Keep the system status quo, prevent any real change
ALL should have done SOMETHING and even bitch LOUDLY about a judge declaring bush King (president) … but VERY FEW demanded TO NOT DECLARE bush king… ALL should have took to the streets, but not many did anything: Just blamed Gore, although it was ” many folks” and some dems like MANY that did NOTHING:!:
Nader joined with the rethugs, even in Oregon, since HE WAS losing!
Candidates like Nader help ensure that progressive issues are on the table. If the Democrats want to take away the spoiler effect of Nader, they should adopt his progressive positions.
Who joined with the Rethugs on the Bankruptcy Bill?
Fuck! I just met Marc Maron! Oh, and I’m high…Um…Yeah, I have no idea what’s goin’ on…
I gave fuckin’ Marc Maron advice on his routine. How stupid was that?
He had a set about his cancerous-cancer thing on his nose. Just too deep to be funny, man- at least for me
Which Democratic presidential candidate supported the war in Iraq?
Wake the fuck up, sheeple!
Tell that bastard to come here and blog.
there has to be an alternative to centrism! Thank goodness there are third party candidates on the ballots. They need to get more play, they need to be supported more
Nader is a whore! He joined the rethugs since he was losing! He was a sore loser.
Marc has the whole Hypochondriac illness thing going on, that is one thing I can do without in his routine…
Oh yeah. And he is from Babylon.
a politician who really tries to win and doesn’t back down when people say “we don’t want you here- how dare you run” . now there’s a baffling phenomenon
Why are you spreading that “Nader joined the rethugs” virus? Provide us the proof.
NickiRose, you know what Kerry’s reason why he supported. When he signed it was only IF bush did certain things, which bush never did.
I voted for Kerry, only cuz he won the vote.
Kerry maintained his support for the war throughout. He feared pissing off his corporate sponsors.
KOSHER!!!!!:omg::joe::joe::joe::cake:
OK. Leave me hanging. :nixon:
I saw that he sought the rethug finances. I even saw and read how Nader spoke to the media as to why. I am not even been far enough away not to Read. I feel insulted.
Go waste your time and google. NickiRose. Being as well read as you are, are you now telling me you have never saw or read how he, Nader :barf: met and took money from the Republican Party and … When He Was Losing:?: … EVEN IN OREGON:!:
now now the Shekinah will have none of that, in her Aphrodite aspect she popped out of seashell (shellfish) so you know she’s not Kosher
Sorry Travisdem_04, I want to say hello to you :nod: but NickiRose and I are fighting :slap:
Oh I also want to say that I am jealous since you got to see him, but thrilled you got to … Tres 😎
I don’t even know what to throw down
Kosher. Kosher. Jerusalem stalls.
Who wields the whip when Shekinah calls?
Travis!:pup::banana:
I think I’m possessed by Her sometimes and I suddenly find these tools of punishment in my hand, like out of the blue, like I’m supposed to use them or something.
New Haven Independent
Ralph Nader came to New Haven Wednesday to blast U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman for his record on business issues. Before he left, though, he ended up taking sharp issue with Lieberman’s challenger in Aug. 8 Democratic primary, Ned Lamont, over the war in Lebanon.
Nader, the consumer advocate and former Green Party presidential candidate, spoke to an overflow audience of about 75 people in the basement public room of the New Haven Free Public Library.
He came to deliver a speech, typed on an old Underwood typewriter, attacking Lieberman for his endorsement by the right-wing U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Nader noted that the group generally supports Republicans, not Democrats. He cited a long list of pro-corporate, anti-consumer positions that Lieberman has supported, from free-trade agreements (CAFTA and NAFTA) and the “Cheney/Exxon energy bill” to lawsuit protection for tobacco companies and manufacturers.
Nader also noted that the U.S. Chamber boasted of helping defeat Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle in 2004. “They defeat the leader of the Democrats in South Dakota in 2004, brag about it, and then endorse Joseph Lieberman,” Nader said.
Lieberman’s press spokeswoman couldn’t be reached for comment. At his debate with Ned Lamont, Lieberman defended his vote on the energy bill by saying that while he disagreed with certain provisions, he supported it because of other parts that benefited Connecticut and energy conservation.
Well I can really relate to the hypochondria thing that Marc has going and well it was an unbelievably great show.
I’m sure Marc’s show was great! I’m jealous.
NickiRose, are you aware or not re Nader, who I use to like but then he ran for pres and showed his colours before he took money from the republican Party? But he did! NickiRose Are you telling me you NEVER HEARD OR SAW Nader speaking of taking rethug money:?:
Sixth Avenue Freeze out.
I no longer listen to Nader. 3 strikes he is so very out.
I know that individuals who register as Republicans donated money to his campaign. Individuals, such as owners of Lebanese restaurants. So what?
Hi SBHeron, have a great time at Marc’s?
You said that I was spreading lies about how I figure Nader is now and will always be a rethug whore. I do not trust or believe in him. He is a proven sore loser!
Yes it was awesome..Roxie went all out!
Gifts for everyone even us bloggers.:dancers:
NICKIROSE:!:
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GOP donors funding Nader
Bush supporters give independent’s bid a financial lift
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Friday, July 9, 2004
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Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader — still not on the ballot in a single state — has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party, an analysis of federal records show.
Nearly one in 10 of Nader’s major donors — those writing checks of $1, 000 or more — have given in recent months to the Bush-Cheney campaign, the latest documents show. GOP fund-raisers also have “bundled” contributions — gathering hefty donations for maximum effect to help Nader, who has criticized the practice in the past.
The donations from wealthy Republicans — combined with increasingly vocal Democratic charges that they represent a stealth GOP effort to wound Democrat John Kerry — prompted Nader’s vice presidential running mate, Green Party member Peter Camejo, to suggest the consumer advocate reject the money that doesn’t come from loyal Nader voters.
“If there has been a wave of these (donations), then that’s something Ralph and I will have to talk about — and about returning their money,” he said Thursday in an interview with The Chronicle. “If you oppose the war, if you’re against the Patriot Act, your money is welcome.
“But if your purpose is because you think this is going to have an electoral effect, we don’t want that money. I take no money from people who disagree with us,” Camejo said. “We’re not interested in that.”
But Camejo’s views differ with Nader’s recent defense of the contributions.
“We have no indication that the Republicans are trying to maneuver support for us,” he said at a recent press conference. “There are three or four major Republican donors who have contributed to my campaign. But that’s because I worked with them on a number of issues. … It’s all very small, relatively small, contributions. And we like it that way.”
But the financial records show that $23,000 in checks of $1,000 or more have come from loyal Republicans. Among those who have given recently to Nader are Houston businessman Nijad Fares, who donated $200,000 to President Bush’s 2000 inaugural committee; Richard J. Egan, the former ambassador to Ireland, and his wife, Pamela, who have raised more than $300,000 for Bush; Michigan developer Ghassan Saab, who has given $30,000 to the RNC since 2001; and frozen food magnate Jeno Paulucci, and his wife, Lois, who have donated $150, 000 to GOP causes since 2000 alone.
All have donated the maximum $2,000 to Nader’s campaign since April, records show.
Asked about the money from GOP backers, Nader campaign spokesman Kevin Zeese countered that many of Kerry’s donors also had given to Republicans, including Bush in the past.
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NickiRose, the above is just ONE article! He is an untrustworthy whore:!: I stand by my words!
So what? Those are not big donations. What does it prove? Running for president costs money. One takes donations from where one can get them. Again, those were not large donations.
I WILL NEVER vote with one who takes money from rethugs. I do not respect that whoredom.
You called me a liar. POINT OF FACT as I spoke. You stated I was spreading LIES. I was not and no longer think of you well read since you denied he, Nader, ever took rethug money and told me to prove, which I did.
Exploring both the planning and the execution of the Jewish operations during the British Mandate period and the run-up to independence, Pappe focuses in particular on the activities of the Hagana, the Irgun, and the Palmach. Drawing on such meticulously-researched documents as the minutes from meetings of Ben-Gurion’s unofficial “war cabinet” as well as the personal diaries and memoirs of a large number of key officials in all sectors of the Jewish leadership of the day, Pappe pieces together and re-examines the attitudes and motivations that influenced the conduct of the Jewish community towards the indigenous population. He goes on to offer a detailed account of the events of 1947-8 that eventually led to one of the biggest refugee migrations in modern history. This is no moral rant against the past, but a passionate plea to acknowledge the Nakba, as Palestinians call the catastrophe that befell them in 1948, as the root cause of the ongoing Palestine-Israel conflict.