So, I was reading this column from Joe Conason over at Salon, where he was talking about some of the letters he receives in reaction to his columns:
A surprising number seem unable to tolerate so much as a skeptical word about Barack Obama:
“Why don’t you perform a few hit pieces on Hillary, too? Just to balance thing out … Shame on the editors of Salon to allow Conason to continue his blatantly biased pro-Billary rants … You have surely pissed away your reputation as a journalist with this hideous anti-Obama garbage … I’m so angry that this filth is in my highly esteemed Salon … What is going on with Joe Conason? … I really used to respect you, but seriously, how many of these pro-Hillary, anti-everyone else articles are we going to see?”
Of course, Conason goes on to recount some of the critical things he’s written about Hillary (among others), and some of the nice things he’s had to say about Obama, too. But it’s all typical of something I find terribly annoying about Obama’s campaign and its supporters: the whining. That seems to be their reaction to every criticism, no matter how slight, of their hero.
Christ, what a bunch of friggin’ babies. Is that what an Obama administration is destined to look like? Pandering to the Republicans, and whining whenever somebody takes issue with him (while not really addressing the actual criticism on the merits)? I hope not, ‘cuz guess what? What little we’ve seen in this primary season so far is nothing compared to what the Republicans will throw at him in the general.
I’m no Hillary fan, but what, really, has been so horribly unfair about what Bill or Hillary have had to say about Obama, anyway?
That he was against the war when he was a state senator, but hasn’t exactly been forceful in opposing the Iraq occupation (certainly never voting against funding it) since being in a position to do something about it? I think that’s a pretty fair assessment, and he’s free to make a cogent argument in his own favor, if he can.
That he invoked the name of Saint Reagan and called the Republicans the “Idea Party?” Well, he did that, too; he can argue that his words have been twisted and he didn’t really mean it but, guess what? He knew what he was doing when he said it, and what he was doing was saying whatever he figured he needed to say to appeal to the “Reagan Democrats” (and Reagan Independents, I suppose). Like it, hate it, don’t give a shit – whatever – that’s what he was doing. And to act all indignant and whine when you get called on it is just, well, irritating.
Or that he’s managed to avoid voting on the tough votes, skipping them in the US Senate or voting “present” in Illinois? Well, he seems to have been pretty weaselly plenty of times that I can think of, so I don’t see anything to get all bent out of shape over on that count, either.
So, enough of the bitching already. Act like a grownup, and if you’re serious about “change,” get your ass to DC next week (or whenever the hell a vote finally comes up) and support Chris Dodd’s filibuster. While you’re at it, call out the 12 DINOs who voted to kill the SJC version of FISA, and stand up and tell Harry Reid you’re tired of his spineless caving-in to these goddamn Republicans.
I’d love to support Obama. He just needs to give me a good goddamn reason to do it.
Does Conason appear on radio anywhere anymore? He was on the Seder weekday show after Franken left but does appear on weekends. He did make a few swipes at Green when they pulled Sam. I thought that they should have given him a show of his own.
Hillary is on the record saying even more laudatory things about raygun than ‘bama. She and Bill have deliberately, baldfacedly lied about his record and put spin on his record. His ‘present’ votes in the Illinois senate were strategic, no worse than both he and Hill not being present for the FISA bill yesterday. I hate to admit it but Dick “suck your toes” Morris has written about the Clintonista strategy of deliberatly losing South Carolina in order to scare the white independents, the southern rascist’s and the scared black people (scared that ‘bama will either have no power or get shot) into voting for hill on SuperTuesday.
I’m not saying this as a overlysensative supporter or ‘bama. I don’t like either one of them that much but I’m just say’in. :slap:
I’m too lazy to find the attachment I left yesterday from Eric Zorn with the Chicago Tribune with Mike Malloy but it’s :boobs: friday
ya bastads :yippee:
I don’t like Hillary any more than I like Obama. I do, however, find Obama’s true believers (and his campaign) whiney and annoying. However, if he wants to do something to show he’s more than just an empty suit with empty rhetoric, I’m ready to jump on the bandwagon.
Hell, he’s better off w/o me. My ‘support’ tends to be the kiss of death to a candidate.
I have watched the circular :tommygun: squad for a while and don’t want to hate the Clintons or Obama like some but I think that Bill/Hill have been living up to their bad press reinforcing all of the negatives their enemies perpetuate. I think that they may be going down (npi) now as a result. I don’t think you can calculate such SC failure as a strategy to win short of desperation or madness.
Obama should be very careful about playing into the Clinton gambits.
Turn to Edwards I say, sadly acknowledging that this is probably going nowhere. Hope he can hang in for a long while to keep some honesty in the mix.
I haven’t been following Obama any more than Hillary but it seems like she goes on a lot about how villified she’s been, using it as Kryptonite against any criticism about her spinning and misleading statements. She hasn’t done squat more about ending the war then ‘bama IMHO ๐
Yep. So why are they the only two candidates who have ever been in the race for the nomination?
I am always ready for the Al-Obama ticket but I am a dreamer.
It feels like a blustery storm is about to pass through here, perhaps several. Look out!
Let’s face it, we just love loveable losers like Kucinich and Edwards who say and do what they believe in. Having a heart and a conscience these days means you have a :reaper: wish
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It just makes it simpler for the media, pj? :rofl2:
He’s baaaaaaack….
I’m sure Wolfie will have a prominent place in the McCain/Lieberman administration, too.
Hey, KP, you been playing with stink bombs?
That’s why Rudy needs to hook up with Katherine Harris. She has big tete a tetes.
They should be; I’m sure she paid a fortune for them.
Thursday’s mystery is solved. It’s Krista in the classroom with the stink bomb. And she’s not even Catholic!
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:joe: :joe: :joe: :joe: :joe: :joe: ๐ฎ ๐ฎ ๐ฎ :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :crap: :crap: :crap: :barf: :barf: :barf: :omg: :omg: :doh: :doh: ๐ฏ ๐ฏ
โ โ โ Whatever :sheep: le
It amazes me that these candidates go to these seemingly insignificant states and put there big toes in the political water and if the money doesn’t come flowing in in torrents ( remember their campaign commercials were seen mostly just in those backwater states) they abandon ship so you just get the ones preselected by the M$M and by the DNC/DLC $ by the time super Tuesday comes around…
Like the Students watching the house and senate on C-span said “and this constitutes government ??” :gate: :omg: :jason: :jason: :fist:
There are going to be a bunch of democratic caucus goers in Colorado who will have sad looks on heir faces today.. ๐ although most of them still won’t know what either AIPAC or the DLC is all about ..sad …but such is the political life here in the land of the IDIOT MORON :yuck: :barf: :crap:
Good morning, :joe: :joe:
Obama has not been able to stand up to the criticisms of the Clintons or the press without both him and his supporters whining about unfairness. What will happen to this guy in the general election where the Rethugs will throw everything at him and the press will go along, of course.
We do not have a perfect candidate in Hillary Clinton but she would be far better than any one of the Rethugs.
Admittedly I have sent money only to Edwards because I like what he has to say and he does manage to get his ideas talked about. But I will vote, in the general, for the Democrat.
As for Dickie Toe Morris, taking what he says about a Democratic candidate’s strategy seriously, is ridiculous. Where’s his proof of this strategy? I keep seeing headlines about how hard Hillary is campaigning in SC. And, remember Dickie has said that Hillary is a lesbian among other things about how she drove Bill to cheat.
Let us not march over a cliff with Dickie Toe showing us the path.
The candidates running for office seem to conveniently don’t bother to vote on those issues that might reflect negatively on there corporate CEO campaign donations…. Remember don’t go by what they say but by who pays them to say it.. not that that does much good since the voters are mostly IDIOT MORONS who operate off sound bytes and the :crap: thay hear coming out of the mouths of people like Timmy Potato head and the IDIOT MORONS at FAUX news..
morris is a complete weasel but that doesn’t make it impossible that he, more than many others, would be able to discern a pattern in the ways of all things clinton.
Since I have become extremely proficient at the use the mute button when ever one of the candidates commercials comes on the TeeVee ( although I mostly watch PBS) I could care less about there strategys.. I would bet that what they say is tailored to the particular market they are advertising in since there is not much overlap in TeeVee coverage. Listening to them in several different places probably would just cause extreme confusion. :tap: :tap:
Thursdayรขโฌโขs mystery is solved. Itรขโฌโขs Krista in the classroom with the stink bomb. And sheรขโฌโขs not even Catholic!
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Comment by Kevin M รขโฌโ January 25, 2008 @
Hey! I thought it was frankinsense!
Many of Obama’s supporters are pretty young and maybe this is the first time they’ve been involved and aren’t used to the nastiness and that’s why they are so whiny.
Tea Chees ALL…. Bill never wanted to have an impeachment. Hopefully now he will. :fist: A!I!V! :fist:
From McClatchy:
Clinton was waging a spirited challenge, returning to the state Thursday after a two-day absence while her husband campaigned there full time and her ads continued to air on television.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/25383.html
Sadly Kristopea, that is not the case, re young voters for Obama. Yes many young ones, but many blacks and ALL colours and ages are proclaiming first that they are voting for their race. So this bit of mixed woman votes what she believes is the best. VP for Obama or Attorney General, just waiting to pounce for President. Not now…… :no: …….. :nod: A!I!V!
MANY on Air and calling in said first black against white & against Women…… so vote Wrong AGAIN. That is why I echo their division…. most here just votes against their own… thus I am not going to Vote Obama.
Does anyone remember that Clinton was a DEM prez but then MOST DEMS PUT IN RAYGUN — AND TOOK OUT MY CARTER. Just THE GAMES put a Rethug as GOV and DEMS VOTED for bush …. :fist: A!I!V! :fist:
BTW Hill IS MORE LIBERAL — if one would LOOK AT BOTH voting past……..I am voting Edwards … but then I WILL PLAY OBAMA’s Game ….and never vote for him, like his people of also many colours said FIRST!!!!! A!I!V!
BTW Most DEMS gave CLINTON a RETHUG CONGRESS…HE DID HIS BEST WITH WHAT Y O U GAVE HIM…Remember MOST DEMS NOT ALL OF US let CARTER get KICKED OUT — with his Solar Panals and other WONDERFUL ACTIONS!
Druid, I agree with you. We are being led by Rethugs to play their game. The Dems are being set up to think that they are being anti-black if they do not vote for Obama.
The idea is to get Dems to stay home so that the Rethugs can run this country further into the ground with a Rethug presidency.
EVEN I recently heard THOM HARTMANN as my YOUNG FRIENDS did voted for NADER :barf: … ๐ A!I!V!
AS numerous voted WITH ME, they echo’d many DEMS belief, as me, saying: Try Voting With Those That Have Been Correct ALWAYS …. not with your scattered, inconsistant expiermental votes that HAND MY/OUR GOV over to the RETHUGS AGAIN!
But whatever …AGAIN it is the DEM Masses that will turn my/our Gov / AMERICA into Romerica so I will dance as you BURN America…AGAIN!
ONLY peace for now is Ass-Kicker EDWARDS ONLY! (Or GORE :love: ) … :tap: A!I!V!
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John Edwards is on Tyra Banks right now.
Sue P ( sniff ) :bow: :love: ๐
Oh, my! What will Elizabeth think?
Thanks Andy of Aquaman, I will wait until — hopefully finding when Tyra is to be on. :dancers: A!I!V! :dancers:
It is easy if it does end up Hill & Obama……….Hill President, and Obama VP …. 16 Bloody Years……….
if Edwards then Hill vp and Obama as Attorney General then that could be 24 years of DEMS…. A!I!V!
morning sheeple ๐
Except, whoever gets elected next is gonna inherit a world of shit, will be demonized and blamed by the Republicans for everything BushCO did, and is pretty likely to either be one and done, or be stuck with a Republican majority in either the House, Senate, or both, who will obstruct everything they try to do (or just shove everything they want down Obama’s throat, if it’s him).
PJ, that’s what makes me worry about Obama. He’s already capitulating and whining about attacks. What happens if he is prez? What will he cede to the Rethugs? He’s already agreed that there is a crisis with Social Security.
A tale from the NYC school system.
I work with a teacher whom I consider to be effective. The AP, for reasons I do not know, has decided she has a problem with disciplining her kids. So….every time there is a student who cannot be managed by his/her teacher, the AP puts the kid in this teacher’s class.
Guess what he result are.
I agree, Sue. I don’t think Obama’s got what it takes. Hillary will triangulate, wheel and deal, do things I don’t like, but I really believe will get some things that I actually do like through.
Obama has already accepted the Republican framing of SS, as you mentioned, and I think he’ll sell out in order to appear as though he’s ‘bipartisan.’ In the same manner that Joe Lieberman is bipartisan.
I feel as if he thinks, “if I let them screw me, they’ll like me.” But, in truth, the more he lets them screw him, the more they will be filled with contempt for him.
The Democrats are already contemptible enough. We don’t need even more of the same.
The Clintons are good to battle the rethugs and it is good to have A Lion (Leo – Bill ๐ RAGING) on ones side, as is Tipper :nod: to Gore.
Again WE ALL KNEW Hill was going to lose S.C., that is why she is not there, overall… :nod: A!I!V!
:yuck: i hate tipper worst thing about Al in my opinion
re:36 I forced myself to watch some of the thug debate last night They’re already blaming Bill for the military being broken 8 years after the fact- and fucksnews is blaming the stock market tumble on the anticipation of a dem victory.Watching these clowns all together, I’m convinced that they don’t want/expect to be in power when the stench reaches the :sheep: le’s nostrils :tap:
Just got an ad for “Vintage Girlie Magazines.” I wonder if it’s the magazines that are “vintage,” or the girlies?
A Negative (polarity)…as is my Virgo sister …then one should like Hill … but for some unknown reason negative signs like moths to a flame, are attracted AT FIRST to The Fire and Air Signs then to call them TOO ACTIVE! My Water Cardinal Mother and Earth Sister at first was attracted to my Leo Sis and me a Cardinal Air/Leo Rising… With Me As The Example: then to say I especially sucked the Air out of a room whereas Others, even THEIR FRIENDS thought I brought Light & Energy itself into a very “stuffy”, stagnant room. (Air & Fire :omg: )
It is all in perception and pedestrian thoughtforms ๐ :doh: .
And do not give me a bad time about Astrology, since many even REAGAN and Nancy SUPER STUDIED THE STARS! A!I!V! The Stars are there only to assist as a counsellor… NEVER to rule, AS THE ONLY WAY.
I think the key to this election is to get the 30 something percent who are not typically voting to vote. Those people seem to be made up of the poor and minorities who maybe don’t have time to vote of don’t see the “system” as such as offering them anything so why bother.. Obama is our first minority presidential candidate. Hillary our first woman presidential candidate.. despite the fact they are just Rethug lite. they may get more people out to vote. :yuck: :barf: :omg:
watch out fred- don’t go all positive and touchy feely on me ๐ฎ :rofl2:
I agree Fred. And, that’s why I think the Hillary is a racist crap is being spun. The hope (for the Rethugs) is that it will keep that 30% from voting.
I just came back from the vet who is an Obama supporter. We had a long discussion about the Dem candidates in which I explained that while Edwards is my wish-pick, I believe Hillary is probably the one best suited to withstand the onslaught of slime that we all know is coming. Nice vet, who doesn’t think like that, said she hadn’t really thought about it, but had to agree. Hillary may not be the favorite but she may be the strongest.
Of course we really don’t know what any of them will do in office. The Shrub was supposed to be compassionate and able to work across the aisle. Doesn’t seem that worked out.
Fred, That’s exactly how I believed until I started hearing Hill “baming” & blaming coming from Obama side. Yes the Clintons’ played back. NOW MANY are blaming the Clintons solely, so that is when I came out for Hill. :fist: A!I!V! by my actions I only get external now when I see someone “bully’d as Hillary has unjustly been. LET’s Just Get EDWARDS (STILL “Wish’n N Hope’n” for GORE) then we all may just get along again.
I am getting so i can’t listen to Bernie the :barf: Sanders any more.. he so full of…. well…. platitudes but there is the “well we can’t do that because we don’t have enough votes” backup to why nothing he says happens… :tommygun: :tommygun:
:tommygun: There’s the fred I’ve come to know :yippee:
The Only Reason I care, since I would rather work on what I have so little time to work on, is I have seen how the masses have voted for decades, since although a poor starving student (I made my own way) either up here or down south to eventually to make it into ‘SC — solely because ‘SC wanted me, so THEY had to Pay (mostly). I lived with nary a dime in my pocket except to feed what gave unconditional LOVE … innocent animals of many different types — which is why I LEFT HUMAN ISSUES TO be in charge of several eco, environmental, and animal rights groups. Done WITH LOVE ONLY — since I was paid hardly enough to feed my “ex-strays”. But The Issue Was More Important. :fist: A!I!V!
:fist: of the three “frontrunners” i like in order edwards obama hillary
SC poll results, from Zogby (for what it’s worth):
:pirate: :boobs: :yippee: … :fist: A!I!V! :fist:
I only listen until Randi like Stephanie, start proselytizing SOLELY Rethug lite WORSE than Hill, Obama. A!I!V! BTW Stephanie is a stupid USC ONCE A RETHUG Libra — whereas I, also an ‘SC graduate. — but More of a MARC type of Libra, than a “Strep”ie Miller, and I have never voted rethug EVER! I like the several callers that called to keep “Strep” in line. A!I!V! whatever
Many Dems NOT ME EVER, voted bush into office as a stupid action, “trying” to prove they are different. DITTO when “cute” DEMS voted “gob” arnold. Now we are having major financial bad times — does that mean stupid dems will now get Gray Davis back in. No :no: they will vote another rethug giving rethugs “another chance”, but never a chance for One of their own.. ๐ :fist: A!I!V!
I guess my wife must be having another fun day in Sicko land, since she doesn’t seem to be home anywhere. Speaking of Sicko, it was nominated for an Oscar. From Michael Moore:
How come I have to log in everytime I come here now?
Seder on Countdown tonight.
pj, maybe there is some bean soup around there.
Kp, maybe you’ve tossed your cookies.
Must be a Mac feature, KP.
It just started doing it. I don’t know what changed. โ ๐
Don’t hate me for asking but did you click the ‘remember me’ box when you logged in?
It might be that Apple decided that, for your own good, it would decide what website you should be allowed to log in to automatically.
But, seriously, what web browser? If you have ‘remember me’ checked, this site will add a cookie that remembers you. So, if you added something that deletes cookie automatically or something, that would do it. Or added/enabled some sort of security application/function, that may have changed something, too.
Have you added anything new lately?
Still no wife. :tap:
Bedelia! Where’s my cake, you bitch?!”
Gotta love how Apple just does things. Even on my PCs I have to figure out wtf has been changed every time iTunes/iPod/quicktime gets an update. Of course I am sure the Gates team does the same.
I find iTunes and Quicktime to be especially shitty. Your mileage may vary.
I don’t know why I fall for the updates. I should just leave it on the iMac for the iPods.
What do you use instead?
For a podcatcher, I use Juice. To play mp3s, I use WinAmp.
Twelve hours (and counting) for 8 hours pay. This is what the hospital granny and I work at calls “engaging excellence.”
Yay! :banana: Granny’s home!
Think she’ll be in a good mood? ๐
Re: #70: the answer is, ‘no.’
Make that, “fuck no!”
PJ re Bedelia! Whereรขโฌโขs my cake, you bitch?!รขโฌย
Comment by pjsauter
:omg: ๐ฏ :tommygun: :fist: :jason: A!I!V! :pirate: :yippee:
and I with Tea still brewing. :joe: :bong: 8)
Kristapea, sorry, I just saw I misspelt your name. I care not if I misspell other words ONLINE (since I do care regarding correct spellings on other things) BUT I DO CARE FOR CORRECT SPELLINGS OF NAMES & ONLINE NAMES. Again sorry. :peace:
re 22 BTW it is “Frankincense and Myrrh” which is inside. :priest:
A wonderful “cleansing smell”. Ahhhhhhh I haven’t started my censer yet. :fist: A!I!V!
I upgraded iTunes and Quicktime and it then refused to play in firefox. So, I got my son to help and now it doesn’t play in Internet Explorer either. :fustrate:
Ha, I didn’t update itunes and i don’t think I’m gonna now!
Don’t worry Druid, I don’t really pay attention to mis spellings.
Janeane Garafalo is in this movie on teevee called Big Trouble. She plays a tough cop named Monica.
Sue P … I can’t use I.E. on mine either whilst with my other server, but i kinda like mozilla … so I keep “Wish’n & a Hope’n.A!I!V!
8) Janeane Garafalo is in this movie on teevee called Big Trouble. She plays a tough cop named Monica
Now I have to “bounce” between that & House & Desperate Housewives. All because Moonlight is off due to Garth Brooks :barf: :jerk: .. Maybe I’ll watch Ghost Whisperer and exercise. :banana: :yawn: ๐ A!I!V! eek that’s now… gone to Feed The Fire. :fist: :pirate: :dancers: ๐ *Poof*
let me simplify this whole election mess:
do whatever it takes to get rid of Cheney
Kevin,
Yesterday’s papers
:bong: :tommygun: :reaper: ๐