Happy Saturday. I know that’s lame, but it’s all I got.
I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 again last night. We can’t let this happen again. I don’t care if you hate Obama and/or Clinton. McCain will be a disaster. Please, don’t tell me you’re willing to let McCain be preznit just because ‘your’ candidate didn’t get the nomination, or you feel dissed by the other campaign, or people who support the other candidate just plain piss you off.
It’s more important than all of that. It really is. From Net Neutrality to warrantless wiretapping to 100 years in Iraq to Supreme Court justices to torture, to, well, to everything that affects us and our lives, please, don’t hold out for a ‘pure’ candidate, ‘cuz you know what? I aint running.
And anybody else is just settling.
:tinfoil: …first? :tinfoil:
…and yeah…McCain is Bad News.
People are so brainwashed…my lead at work actually told me the other day that because the government told us nothing bad can ever happen to us that we should believe it. :smack: Disturbing.
Good morning. I got to sleep a little later because the dogs decided to annoy hubby instead of using their usual surrogate approach of waking me and getting me to wake hubby. Geniuses, they are. Now, if they would only get jobs. :pup: :pup:
The NYC baby redtails are getting real feathers. These little birds grow so quickly and of course Lincoln has pictures of several different nests and their chicks.
http://www.palemale.com/
Poor ticket sales.
:rofl2:
WOW MORONQUEEN IS ALPHA 8)
Sue P. is BETA :pup: :pup: 8) &
GAMMA (Ray) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A!I! 😉
Many of you people CAUSED The Split In THIS PARTY…. I rest my case, by PROOF! … A!I! I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A LIAR LIKE OBAMA — I just read your WHATEVER PJ — … and ALLL of you folk caused, not me EVER! …. I Just Beat The Streets For DEMS since 14yrs , what did others do throughout the DECADES!?!…. NO MORE…
I changed many to DEMS, NOW I WILL CHANGE BACK….. OBAMA IS WRONG for Now!
I am just a Microcosm to the Macrocosm that is out “there” with this belief!
I was at a meeting of some very liberal folks during the 2000 election. One of the participants declared that he had voted for Bush because he wanted people to know how bad the Rethugs were. He thought that after 4 years of Rethug control, people would not vote for them again.
Theory aside, the people who really suffered were the people who were most vulnerable: undocumented workers, poor people, soldiers, threatened animals (the list goes on).
Obama may be a liar and he will probably do some things I really hate (they all do) but he will make some progress addressing the needs of people and planet. McInsane will be more of the same and the suffering will be great for many who have suffered enough.
Yeah, OK. We agree to disagree on that then. Obama is a liar, Clinton is pristine, Obama takes money from the nuke industry and coal industry because he’s corrupt, Clinton takes even more of it because her intentions are pure, yada, yada, yada.
You’re in California, so it doesn’t really matter who you vote for (much like me in NY), whether Obama gets the nomination or not, both states will go to the Democrat.
I’ll have a tough time voting for her for Senator again though. Oh, wait, I voted for the Green Party guy candidate last time around because I was already disenchanted. But had it been close, I’d have voted for her.
Too bad she had to vote to give Bush the authority to invade Iraq, though. And too bad she had to vote in favor of Kyl-Lieberman. A shame she never introduced legislation to force mandatory reporting for nuclear spills (not that the bill would have made it out of committee, let alone come to a vote on the floor). Bummer she supported allowing International Paper to burn tires in the Adirondacks. Too bad she voted in favor of liquid coal (good thing that amendment never passed).
I’m sure she had the best of reasons.
Oh, and what were you all doing when I was in eight grade and working to elect the first Democratic mayor in Syracuse since my mother’s uncle 20 years before? I was out there doing the big work, almost 40 year ago!
Giggity giggity goo.
I know the Kennedy family have been split in their endorsements of the Dem candidates with some campaigning for Hillary and some for Obama. Bobby Kennedy is (was?) a Hillary backer. But I’m going to be listening to Ring of Fire this weekend to see whether he addresses Hillary’s remarks about the assassination of his father and namesake. She apologized to the Kennedys — I didn’t hear her apologize to the Obamas. I’m not a Kennedy nor an Obama, but as someone who remembers those terrible assasinations of leading Americans, I was wounded and horrified that anyone would publicly suggest this could happen again.
I heard Hartmann yesterday. He was talking about the reaction his piece calling for making Hillary VP had gotten (about 70% against). I think he was speaking before the news about Hillary’s assassination remarks had come out. Apparently, a lot of those responding to him cited their fear of an Obama assassination. He said that he thought our American psyche was so wounded by the assassinations of the 60s that we need healing to get ourselves on an even keel again (as though we are collectively over-reacting). A therapist called in to say that was bunk; we have legitimate fears. Then I heard about Hillary’s remarks.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.
What year was that PJ?
I think I was flipping anarchist pizzas and repeating the bumper sticker in my head: “Don’t vote; it only encourages them.” :knit: :knit2:
Very Well Indeed PJ … good to hear … … Well You & The Masses Get The Man, AS USUAL 🙄 Obama …. I vote for Hillary or NO ONE … even E. Edwards wanted NOT obama — until she whore’s for him —
and people here called HILL a Whore FIRST, thus now I say Truth re obama being a Nuclear & Coal Industry WHORE!!
Maybe Hillary should stay in the race till the Supreme Court makes her president.
Happy BD :cake: , Mr. Z!
I won’t goo all Greil Marcus on you but this is NOT ten minutes I will ever regret no matter how many times.
It resonates every day.
Maybe if I was near Minnesota today, I would be here with my Hip Brother
http://www.dylandays.com/
Clinton was just pointing out that back when the primary season started on the second Tuesday in March as it did in 1968, it wasn’t over until June, and now that it starts in the beginning of January, um, same thing. She didn’t mean to say that she might get lucky the way Humphrey did.
SHOW ME The Fairness
ALL MEDIA, even AAR & Nova M pro Obama…. BTW Ring Of Fire Kennedy was pro so was Papatonio but NOW PAP is pro Obama ….
Obama WILL LOOSE, even if wins, FOR DEMs … whatever
even 5-1 in spending against Hillary yet Hillary still wins but you will vote for the loser :smack:
Yes, I always base my vote on what people on a blog call the candidates. And just last night, didn’t somebody say they couldn’t stand either one of them. Tsk, tsk.
The MSBlog goes biblical…
when the primary season started on the second Tuesday in Marc as it did in 1968
Hey!? I was out on the tarmac at Byrd Field for Hump/Muskie 🙁 in ’68! You gotta problem with that?
ALL the media was pro Clinton at first. Then she ran a crap campaign. Now people are giving Obama much more money. The media STILL gave her coverage as if this wasn’t over a long time ago.
Now you will vote for the loser, or no one at all.
Yes, damnit. I’m a misogynist. In fact, I hate women so much, I’ll vote for McCain. That will teach you all. Somebody called McCain an old poopyhead on a blog I read once, and that just irks the bejesus out of me, so I WILL VOTE MCCAIN!
I liked Humphrey. It wasn’t until much later that I learned he was the corporate sellout candidate.
Dear Man. I can’t stand either one — I, since 2000 and before, have wanted GORE; however, I am more for Hillary’s medical and more for her ideas and directions — her original ideas — than obama’s.
Mandating everyone in the plan is better, otherwise both their proposed plans are gifts to the insurance industry.
Their plans, positions (original and otherwise), voting records – you name it – are nearly identical. Period. You like one more than the other, fine. But if you’d vote for one for president, then there shouldn’t be much of a leap in voting for the other.
And I can show you articles and opinion pieces that call Gore a whore, too, for his ties to the oil, coal mining industries, and accusing him of being a shill for, yes, the nuclear power industry.
You know, if you’re driving down the road and a tractor trailer (no doubt driven by Sean) is headed straight for you, and your choices are drive into a ditch or drive off the side of a cliff, you don’t have the luxury of deciding neither option is perfect.
Not if you don’t want to be scraped off the grill of that truck.
Nukular Quiz
Who would be most likely to launch a preemptive nucular strike on a nation such as Iran (if it hadn’t happened already)?
1. McCain
2. Clintons
3. O’Bama
Looks like I may have skewed the survey
The gift that keeps on giving :cake:
You people voted for him, not me
This would have been a much different world if Humphrey had won in ’68.
Voted for who, him?
hmmm that means nothing — illogical ….i guess nutin up yor sleeves 🙄
It’s life and life only :cake:
I don’t really remember HHH all that well, as far as policy stuff (little too young). I wonder if Humphrey would have gotten us the hell out of Vietnam. RFK would have. I wonder if Humphrey would have created the EPA? Or made nice-nice with China? And USSR?
Who is the him that we people voted for?
Listening to NPR so you don’t have to
Nice Mel Brooks interview on Saturday Weekend Edition
Did Blazing Saddles foreshadow O’Bama?
Mel Brooks at VMI!? :omg: :sdavid: :rabbi: :rofl2: :tommygun:
I love Mel Brooks.
Don’t be stupid
Be a smarty,
Come and join
The Nazi Party.
Oh, you kids!
I don’t really remember HHH all that well, as far as policy stuff (little too young). I wonder if Humphrey would have gotten us the hell out of Vietnam. RFK would have. I wonder if Humphrey would have created the EPA? Or made nice-nice with China? And USSR?
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
and health care
and expanded social programs
and civil rights
The saddest part of HHH is that his legacy was tarnished by his connection and loyalty to LBJ. When he could finally break free it was a little to late.
I have watched the building of this New Ordained Emperor Obama for a year plus 🙄 with nary a kindness nor fairness towards Hillary…
Well, he’s got a Dome named after him. Not many people can say that!
You said you can’t stand her. That’s not very kind.
I just saw The Sun City Girls last night. They were fucking awesome! The scary part was I knew all the words to songs such as thisand thisand this. 😯
And I’m sure I was at this show
He was one of the truly great Progressive leaders from a long line from Minnesota. It was tough being an 8 year old in West Virginia torn between HHH and JFK but the Dad was helping the Shrivers and I had to eat.
And you should check out Sir Richard Bishop too.
This is really good too.
Cool, vernon. Now, tell us what you remember of Hoover. 😉
On the day they brought me home from the hospital, my folks stopped off to vote for JFK. My mother never did like Nixon. And JFK was Irish Catholic, and so could do no wrong (other than a wee bit of philandering, as it turrned out, but we Irish Catholics have a mandate from God to procreate, after all).
ohhhh thats right … Irish Catholic … “…In The Name Of The Father, and etc …..”
and I am just crying over a dear film I have never seen since I hated the other one about Merlin & The Lady Of The Lake & The Mists… Yea
I do remember Humphrey and yes he would have advocated for all the good social issues but no he wouldn’t have been able to get us out of Vietnam. He’d have carried on with the same advisors that LBJ inherited from JFK (imho). People forget that JFK ran to the right against Nixon by saying there was a “missle gap” between us and the russkies that Eisenhower had let happen. JFK wasn’t as invested in really following through with the civil rights- LBJ only did so because the people were out in the streets burning shit and causing whitey some big discomfort.
Humphrey came across as just another tool of big city dems willing to take any position to win. His age had passed.
Of course being a true believer in the sixties, I really resented RFK when he jumped into the race late. I felt like he was stealing it from Eugene McCarthy who I didn’t realize (or care) have a snowball’s chance in hell.
There is a park in Red Hook that was once the site of a Hooverville, a shanty town for the homeless of the Great Depression. Fortunately, that is not a personal memory but mere book learnin’.
Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign is in a troubled stretch, hindered by resignations of staff members, a lagging effort to build a national campaign organization and questions over whether he has taken full advantage of Democratic turmoil to present a case for his candidacy, Republicans say.
In interviews, some party leaders said they were worried about signs of disorder in his campaign, and if the focus in the last several weeks on the prominent role of lobbyists in Mr. McCain’s inner circle might undercut the heart of his general election message: that he is a reformer taking on special interests in Washington.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/us/politics/25mccain.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1211656419-g1j/I25NhuqSeorCLnuLeg
#46 art,
I must disagree. HHH would have done much more to withdraw from VN than :nixon: . He had already broken from those ‘advisors’ by the time of that election. For whatever reasons and there is conjecture, he did not contradict LBJ until too late in ’68.
Also, he was much more committed to civil rights than JFK and LBJ since the ’40s. They were pretty much catching up to him when they backed in to the issue.
He was a machine and big labor pol but that was not always necessarily a bad thing.
I agree about RFK and McCarthy. I was a begrudging McCarthy admirer and did not appreciate RFK running to the front of the parade. Then I saw RFK at a rally the day before Easter in Logan, WVa and it was not like anything I had ever seen and heard. I realized that for whatever good McCarthy had done, it would take the persona of RFK to take the ball and score.
The whole world was changed in a matter of months.
You can’t tell me that Hubert would not have been a much better president than nixon. Seriously?
Jeez, this purity shit is scary.
Great music, Kp. Thanks
Just got back from seeing Baby Mama. Not quite as funny as I wanted it to be, but stretches of it were pretty good, and I will admit to laughing out loud several times, so overall I must have liked it. Not to mention that I can think of worse ways to spend an hour and 40 minutes than looking at Tina Fey. :hubba:
So has Hillary dropped out of the race yet?
:rofl2:
A bobble foot doll, a tribute to Sen. Craig:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0522081saints1.html
scroll down
“he did not contradict LBJ until too late in ‘68.”
Vern with all due respect that’s why he was perceived by me (and other’s of my ‘yut) as a tool.
Also, he was much more committed to civil rights than JFK and LBJ since the ’40s. They were pretty much catching up to him when they backed in to the issue.
I think that was the point I was making when I said he would have been commited to social issues.
Because of what happened in Chicago, he was always burdened by and linked to machine politics.
Where did I ever say, old buddy, that Nixon would have been a better president? :omg: By the time of electiions in ’68, we felt like there was no alternatives left except to demonstrate, riot and wipe our minds out with drugs.
I wouldn’t have voted for either one but then, I couldn’t vote for another year anyway. I’m not a “purity” crank. I’d vote for Klinton even as I was :barf: while doing it.
Now, let’s debate the Taft-Hartley Act :doh:
Of course I’m almost 60 and most days I feel like demonstrating, rioting and wiping my mind out with drugs 😮 :bong:
I guess since I am not as old as you I saw it differently. I was not so emotionally invested in McCarthy and RFK and the antiwar movement to be willing to accept the risk of a nixon regime and could also see that HHH was not LBJ.
I understand those who could not hold their nose so that we got nixon’s nose but as things go the nation suffered and VN went on.
I would like to have seen what the world would have been like, had RFK not gotten shot. I remember watching the funeral train carry his body from (if I remember correctly) St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC to Arlington. I was only about seven, but I remember how said we all felt. I took a picture of the image of his flag draped casket on the teevee (with my brother’s Yashica camera, which he’d gotten for cheap in Vietnam). Still have it someplace (the picture, not the camera).
Somewhere I have the newspaper article and photo of that day I saw RFK and I used to be able to identify a fly speck in the crowd that was me.
Yeah, pj, I get it, I am younger than art but older than you.
art, I meant no ageist dis and was kinda keeding but I was 16 and in Richmond, VA, being a Dem of any kind was radical but I saw what the dirty hippies were up to.
Biiiickerbiiiiickerbiiiiiiiicker. :slap: When will people start seeing past genetalia or skin color and start seeing candidates as people? Personally, I don’t like any of the Big Guns. I did vote for Obama in our caucus, not because he’s a man, but because for one – his method of getting the word out was a lot more positive than Clinton’s at the time, and to me, that added more honesty to his campaign. For another, I honestly thought that he was the best candidate.
‘Course upon more reading, I don’t like him much at all either. Seems to me that they’re all in someone’s pocket. As usual. And that’s never good for the nation.
But hey, I could be wrong. Suppose it all still remains to be seen.
Hell, they’re both better than McCain.
Enough with the two party system. How ’bout we give third party candidates like Nader a chance, and both the media as well as the brain washing jackasses up on high the gesture they deserve?
That said, I’m gonna go hide in my bomb shelter now, get some popcorn going, and watch the fireworks.
Well, I’d also like to know what the world would have been like had HHH won. I always liked him, and I didn’t like Nixon (I didn’t really become aware, politically, until Watergate, though I remember my mom crying when ‘the letter’ came for my brother; he had a low draft number, so it wasn’t a surprise, but still).
We went to Fort Dix to see him ‘graduate’ from basic training. I don’t think I quite understood the gravity of it all back then. I still have some letters that he saved that I wrote him. Of course, he was there ’66-’68, so HHH wouldn’t have saved him, but he could have saved a hell of a lot of other lives (both US and Vietnamese). I think roughly half the casualties in Vietnam came after Nixon and his ‘secret plan’ to end the war.
And then…
“Go to the Dome, you’ll be safe there.”
HAH!! Do I get a snazzy, pestulant trailer, too?? :rofl2:
I was gonna tell you to go to Hell’s Kitchen.
Isn’t that where people sweat into the pasta, now?
1968 was a horrible year. I remember waking up and hearing the news abour RFK being assassinated and thinking “Oh, Shit, Not Again!”. I was 19 yrs old, fresh out of suicidal ideations brought on by 1-1/2 semesters at a Lutheran college in Illinois. I wasn’t particularly politically awake or aware in those years. Just trying to survive back then. I was convinced that I would not live past 30. :smack:
Well, I was wrong. Karma won. Now I’m old. :billcat:
:reaper:
mq, I only went for breakfast although the porridge (Franken favorite) could be a little salty. Dunno how much sweating was going on, more like ice crystals maybe melting at -5.
Didn’t want to see this one tonight
U. Utah Phillips passes
Getting to be too many good ones on the other side
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZtJdNIUcC4
🙁 🙁 :gate: :bow:
Good, though
vern- it’s really cool that you got to see RFK in person. maybe if he’d come to Kansas I would have felt differently ’68 was a horrible year. I can’t think of anything positive that came from it. Like RG, I really thought the world was coming to and end and that I would not be living long. I got a draft lottery number of 12 😯 so much for the luck of the draw.
pj- So you lost your brother in VN? Man, I don’t know what to say. From what little I can pretend to know you personally, I’d say that you’re living your life honorably… in opposition to the same kind of forces that took his life. I never thought that after nikkson that the same kind of forces would still be in charge.
If I’m understanding this correctly (and I hope I’m wrong)
:gate: to pj’s brother.
I touched him. Walked right up to him in a crowd of 100s. Two months later he was dead. I was stunned and then not surprised. What pissed me off was I had teacher who said the next day that he probably had it coming because of what he was doing.
Oh, no man. My brother’s still alive. He made it through ‘nam.
The letter I was talking about was the “you’re drafted” letter.
Something to be pleased about:
Once hunted to the brink of extinction, humpback whales have made a dramatic comeback in the North Pacific Ocean over the past four decades, a new study says.
The study released Thursday by SPLASH, an international organization of more than 400 whale watchers, estimates there were between 18,000 and 20,000 of the majestic mammals in the North Pacific in 2004-2006
http://www.livescience.com/animals/080524-ap-humpback-whale.html
(Don’t tell Chaney. He’ll take up whale hunting.)
Glad I blew that.
:banana: :dancers: to pj’s brother and pj :yippee:
All my friends, who came back from Nam, came back changed, traumatized and unhappy. Some more than others. No one came back unscathed.
vern- I grew up in a republican suburb of Kansas City that was so far to the right that a year after JFK’S assasination, most of the students were talking about how he had it coming. :omg:
:gate: to Utah Phillips- he was a mensch. He came through Boulder every year forever.
To vern and pj re: age
There’s no inherent wisdom that comes with it. pj was supporting HHH to get his brother out of nam. Vernon was astute enough to see that RFK had the charisma and leadership to really make a difference (mccarthy had neither).
SueP- and to think that most VN vets only served one tour. Increasing numbers of soldiers now are serving three, four, five tours. More Iraq veterans are committing suicide than dying in battle. 🙁
It is really disturbing to think about what is being done to our troops by Bushco. I cannot imagine what 3, 4 ,5 tours in Iraq does to a person. It can’t be doing much good to the Iraqis either.
Actually, I wasn’t supporting HHH. I was 7. I wasn’t politically aware at the time (though I became aware not long after). In 3rd or 4th grade, I read ‘Johnny Got His Gun’ by Dalton Trumbo. It was a big influence on my life, and the way I feel about war. That and ‘Slaughterhouse 5’ (Schlachthof-Fünf).
Vern – I keep thinking of that stupid reality TV show “Hell’s Kitchen”, since hubby is such a big fan. :smack: Braaainssssss…
And RG – you’ve aged well. Raging and being a Granny is a pretty neat thing to be doing.
Proof reading before hitting “submit” would be a pretty neat thing to do, too. Gaaahhh…. :joe: :joe: :joe: :joe: :40: :joe: :joe: :joe: :joe: :yippee:
jeez, art, I just turned 56 but a couple of years and geography and a lottery # made a lot of difference in those days.
McCarthy had intelligence and courage. I was a little pissed at him at first for rocking the boat but he made me get it. It would have taken RFK to seal the deal.
These poor folks coming back now are going to be very fucked up and I am not so sure that is an accident.
Thanks to me. 😉
Of course she’s out like a light right now.
and Putney Swope.
mq, it is all that dancing with RG.
http://www.roadfood.com/photos/6629.jpg
“Mitch Omer’s gloss on Native American cooking, this porridge is made from Minnesota wild rice, blueberries, cranberries, and hazlenuts all moistened with a mix of warm maple syrup and cream. To call it comfort food understates its delicious complexity, but it is indeed a bowl of comfort. This is the smaller “sampler cup” rather than a full-size bowl.”
– Michael Stern
:hot:
Alright, ya bastids. You better get to 100 tonight.
If his cell were at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the prisoner would be just one of hundreds of suspected terrorists detained offshore, where the U.S. says the Constitution does not apply.
But Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri is a U.S. resident being held in a South Carolina military brig; he is the only enemy combatant held on U.S. soil. That makes his case very different.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/24/enemy.combatant.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
scary, isn’t it.
When I was in 3rd or 4th grade I think I was reading “The Hardy Boys” adventures. Were you going to some progressive marxist HS’s I’ve read about back east? 😮
If he’s only a resident than he’s got no rights as our fearless chimp-in-chief has determined. Now if he’s a real US citizen like Jose Padilla…………………, umm…… never mind 👿
1968
Denver East HS graduate Bill Frisell along with other Denver East HS graduate Ron Miles on trumpet. Never heard that one before-
thanks, vern
1968 There was a time
There was a night in ’68 when JB kept all hell from breaking out when Dr. King was killed.
More ’68?
TV’s “Laugh-in” comic Dick Martin dies in Calif
LOS ANGELES: Dick Martin, the zany half of the comedy team whose “Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In” took television by storm in the 1960s, making stars of Goldie Hawn and Lily Tomlin and creating such national catch-phrases as “Sock it to me!” has died. He was 86.
🙁 :gate: :rofl2:
Sock it to me? :nixon:
http://www.youtube.com/v/p8C8AVWLhwI&hl=en
The Computer said No :no:
even now it is battling “freezing” other than that … Good Evening AND :dancers: … :pirate: :yippee:A!I! is anyone still awake or I might have to fix my antenna and get off my feet and perhaps sleep :dancers: :doh: awwww not yet :knit: 8)
McClatchy is running a story about the effects of PTSD and the suicide rate among out military people serving in Iraq.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/38275.html
I stopped by the redtail nest on Houston Street in Manhattan. The nest is atop an airconditiner cage on a fourth floor window of a school and the activities of the nest are very observable from the ground. I stop by every week or so to see them, and today I found that that they have developed their own fan club. Across the street, people gather with cameras and binoculars to keep watch.
The little birds are growing so quickly. They are sprouting real feathers and beginning to flex those wings. It won’t be too long before they fledge. After they fledge their parents will continue to bring them food as they learn to hunt for themselves.
Unknown Soldier
Buffy
Donovan (recently) and the Universal Soldier
Country Joe and the Fish do the Vietnam Rag (plus pictures).
Palemale’s daughter likes to mate in some precarious places. Good thing she can fly.
http://www.palemale.com/