I reckon dubya will sign his torture bill today. Maybe we can get them to declare September 29th a national holiday, in honor of the occasion. Torture, of course, is bad (seems odd to have to actually say that; somewhere along the way, being in favor of peace, civil rights, and the rule of law became subversive), but the most horrible thing to come out of this is the suspension of habeas corpus. To be allowed to imprison somebody without ever bringing charges, and with no hope for judicial review is so vile, so repugnant, so — yes — anti-American that it is beyond words.
To say I feel ashamed of this country seems inadequate. After all, it’s been quite a shameful half-decade in American history. You can point to NAFTA and welfare reform as terrible ideas, but they don’t compare to this. You can describe the failure to stop the genocide in Rwanda (or the bombing campaign in Kosovo, ostensibly done to prevent genocide) as shameful. You can point to exploitation of the poor, opression of minorities, Central American death squads — more offenses against humankind than I have the space (or even the awareness) to fully list here. But to codify the use of torture and permanent imprisonment without the benefit of facing your accusers and without being able to defend yourself against the charges — of even being charged — as US law is beyond shameful. It’s right there with slavery and the 3/5 compromise. I, too, can smell the sulphur.
I imagine I feel, today, the way Otto Wells (leader of the Social Democrats) felt in 1933 when the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, giving Hitler total power in Germany. I can only echo Wells’ words now:
“We…pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No enabling act can give you power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible.”
Piss and moan about the Democrats all you want — I find them them spineless and reprehensible in their failure to fight this with every means at their disposal — but never forget who the real culprits are here. It is the Bush administration that has done this to our country, and it is their “enablers” in Congress (including 12 Democratic Senators – if you count Lieberman – and 34 Democratic Congressmen) who have let them do it. They need to be cut out of our government – excised like the cancer they are – whiel we still have some semblance of a democracy left in this country.
In happier news, those of you out in the vicinity of Seattle have four chances to catch Marc this weekend – shows at 8 and 10 tonight and tomorrow at Giggles. I know we have at least a couple of Seditionists making their way there, and hopefully we can get a few more. Tell him we all say hello. The rest of us will have to content ourselves with catching Marc on the Sam Seder Show tomorrow morning (if Sam can get Marc out of bed, that is). Have a good one.
Bill Nelson voted FOR the torture bill.
I am not only ashamed to be an American, I am ashamed to live in Florida.
When I write to him this weekend to chew him out, his response will be that 1) the bill was going to pass whether he opposed it or not, 2) he’s in an election and he doesn’t want Katherine Harris throwing weak-on-terrorism back in his face during debates, and/or 3) the Supreme Court should overturn the bill as unconstitutional eventually anyway.
BULLSHIT.
This is no time for cowardice.
FUCK YOU, BILL NELSON.
I hope he has the good sense not to send me an e-mail today looking for money, or he will need the funds to cover the medical costs when I tear him a new asshole.
Oh yeah, he’s a senator. They have free medical. I forgot.
Actually, it’s not free. As a taxpayer, I’m paying for it.
Maria Cantwell voted against the torture bill. :love:
She’s also up for re-election in a much tighter race than Nelson’s.
Maybe next week I’ll fly up to Seattle, kiss her on the lips, and ask if Nelson can borrow her stones for a few minutes. Just so he can see what it’s like to have some.
Have a good day, everyone. Hopefully Maron will have something to say about this mess when he’s on Sam’s show this morning. :rabbi:
I should probably send Maria some money too. Since it’s the last weekend of the quarter. I like to encourage positive behavior on the part of legislators. :love::love::love:
:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:
:reaper::reaper::reaper: :sheep: le
The news of yesterday seems to have all but disappeared from most of the media sites even the liberal media sites. The folks over at Dirty Underwear have all spouted their platitudes and laid the SBR to rest. I guess they then hurried back to get under their beds where they curled up in a fetal position with their thumbs in their mouths..:reaper::reaper::reaper:
I don’t really want to know the 100 dumbest Americans or listen to Ms Rant slam Bush, or Maddow shriek :reaper::reaper::gate::omg:
good morning sheeple :sheep:
:yippee::yippee::yippee: Its Susan :yippee::yippee::yippee:
Krisrapea, be careful with those greenies. They can become an undigested lump. My vet says she had to operate on a dog to remove such a lump. She told me never to give them to my dog.
Has puppy got a name yet?
I feel blahhhh. If I put the radio on I may feel more blahhh. Call me a sucka , here I go putting it on…
The Young Jerkoffs were not very entertaining..or informative .. neither was C-span.. Now we will have to see what Marvin has to say.. :reaper::reaper::gate::omg:
Well Marvin was full of his normal off the subject hot air.. :reaper::reaper::gate::omg:
Hey everyone! Good rainy morning!
Just watching the freak show on Today here: Janet Jackson. Im not into the music but she and Michael sure can dance!
I am disgusted by this torture thing. It is disgusting….I dont understand why they need carte blanche and to do away with all safeguards…its so all encompassing. Why not have a fisa situation so there is some sort of oversight.
How many people do they have to do this to?
Hey, when is Staphanie Miller on? How do I find her? Is she any good?
Some people seem to like her. Im wondering if I would. Ive never listened to her.
Krista, I havent had any problem with greenies, but they do make for green poop!…so if they are not going through right away you know it. I think that they people who are having problems with them are giving lots of them, all the time. I mix the treats up.
For a puppy, the specialists here say that the stuffed frozen kong is the best. I always have the ones with grooves and texture and I smear a little peanut butter into to the grooves and rub it in deep…sometimes I freeze em…but its very good for the teeth and keeps them busy and interested getting it out. Not too much p-butter because it can cause loose…um….
and I use the natural stuff without sugar and whatever hardening agent that skippy and jiff use…ugh!
Stephie is on during Sam’s show. You can listen to her via the KTLK live stream.
Stephie “the joke” Miller is on KTLK from 6 am to 9am PDT.. ( that’s opposite Sam)
http://tinyurl.com/kawtk
Cenks voice annoys me, possibly more than Rachels :omg:
Both Democratic Senators from NJ voted for torture.
I guess we know now why Reid didn’t go for the filibuster. Only 34 votes for truth, justice, and the American way.
So, fred, you dont like her…? Painting Girl loves her, I think….or was it quiet girl? …Some people do, anyway. Ill listen to sam, but I like to save him for the weekend. How pathetic is that?….I want to have some stuff to drive aorund to and Im stuck with Sam, who is pretty good, but if I get a little chuckle over 3 hours Im lucky, and then maybe Al…or Turks, but IM already annoyed…even if they are worlds better than Jerry, Im still unimpressed. I also had only listened to the filibuster show, and I think they are alot better when they are fired up and also very tired! That Jill is so…ugh….like she is the “sexy” one??? All these little comments about how she is the “wild” one…? Its sort of strange….like a ditzy liberal anne coulter vibe coming from someone who is sorta decidedly not all that sexy. Im not a guy nor gay, so I cant judge I guess, but I always thing that those who imply it the most, feel the worst about themselves or get it the least…Its too easy for a woman to take that role, anyway….
But its better than army williams or curtis sliwa (though Ron Kuby has his moments)…and certainly jerry….
I need Marc back on the air….or I wish Mike Pap and Bobby Kennedy jr would do a morning show. I dont think Bobby’s vocal chords could take it, but they are pretty damned good…not funny, but interesting at least!
Any word at all as to what happened to Marc last Friday and if he is going to be on this Friday?
HEY!! Marc is on the list over there!! Did you all know that??
:reaper: It is indeed a sad day for this country :reaper:
But, on a lighter note, there are always other things US citizens can strive for. :boobs::barf:
Oct 20-21 in Mass…..hmmm…roadtrip????
Im trying to research a post on torture…and its so horrible that…..well, the images back to medeival times are just horrible. What is it in human psychology that thinks this might work…or to have so little empathy that one can even do this to a living being, much less anothe rperson?
Maron on the Seeder show?
I listened to Stephie a few times, after AAR gave Sirius the shaft. She wasn’t horrible, I suppose (horrible = Lynn Samuels), but not my cuppa tea. Lots of fart jokes and morning zoo type of “humor.” The most interesting thing is when she tells stories of her dad being Barry Goldwater’s running mate.
Marc? List? Where?
Although, I thought this was funny from an interview with her in the Progressive:
Yeah, I guess Sam is continuing with the Maron on Fridays thing, even though Maron hung up on him last Friday….
:yawn:Is Maron going to be on Sam’s show today?
Stephanie Miller’s Birthday is today :cake: :banana:
Thanks for the info on greenies. I’ll mix it up more. I am going to settle on a name by the end of the day. :pup:
I hope everyone is listening to Sam Seder today. He is on fire. He just gets better and better. Already this morning he has said Lieberman should be strung up by his testicles and told a caller he was a “racist pig”.
Sam speaks the truth, man :fist:
So we are just one degree away from anyone of an Iraqi’s colour thus arrest in America. I guess they will be listening in and getting those “similar” to me. But people are soooo “weak”. “The Scream”:!: F___:!:
A trees-sitter was killed as they pulled him out of a tree. “They” say the treesitter was in error, and thus “pullee” was innocent. Yeh Right! And Life Goes On.
Sam is awesome. :pup:
I also just found out a person I use to do many radical environmental and animal rights “things” with has turned into a racist and fascist. I am so depressed. :growl:
:tommygun:
Melina…You serious about that road trip?
I can make the Friday show for sure as I fly home from Boston on the 21st…:grin:
Druid! 🙁
Marc Maron in the next hour:banana::banana::pup::pup:
The Funny (Marc is coming up) … I need you today.
RG I almost :barf: my:joe: re# # 22!
Melina I don’t think you would like Stephanie over Sam…
Bummer, the Morning Seditionists widget won’t work. 🙁
Andy -what is the widget?
It’s a small add on to the Opera web browser. You can get weather , news etc.. PJ put a Widgetize button on the right hand side of the blog underneath the save the internet icon. It only works with Opera 9 and up.
I think it was SBlueHeron who told me to use iTunes for AAR. Thank You or I could never, never listen.
:nod: yes it is a stream that doesn’t constantly refresh…
Thanks andy..Opera I’ll have to check it..
It’s browsing nirvana my friend. :yinyang:
Opera is the fastest browser going. If it wasn’t for the extensions, I’d drop FireFox and use Opera exclusively. Unfortunately, the widgets dont’ do it for me (and the one here doesn’t work, as Andy stated; haven’t had a chance to check out why).
BTW, iTunes uses the Icecast stream, for which there’s a link over on the right. Same stream – it’s just an mp3 stream. So, if you should happen to think that iTunes sucks, you can use any client capable of playing an m3u playlist (there are many clients compatible with it).
Yeah, the widgets are kind of a distraction. The only one I use regularly is a weather one. But it’s a pretty cool idea.
Finally, Marc after the break.
Maron’s next!
Oh, man, c’mon Marc, get outta bed already!
Maron!!!!
Sam just said Maron will be on later: “We’re going to have it out with him. I don’t know if he’s dissing me on purpose or not.”
Im having so much fun with this Shark Euro Pro steam machine cleaner…you wouldnt believe how well it cleans a bird cage, not to mention the tile around the dog patio…oh my god…there is dirt there that I couldnt have fathomed….
:doh:i sent an e-mail to seder telling him that marc maron told me to tell him that he is a jerk maybe that is why they will be having it out?
If Maron screwes this up again, Im gonna be really mad…..he has no excuse to not be able to pick up the phone at 9AM….he can always go back to sleep…hell, if Janeane can do it….maybe we need to send him a basket of coffee treats
I :love: Maron:!: :cool::banana::cool:
I miss him and sooooo jealous that I do not get to see him, but glad for those that get to see him. :love: :banana: now I will be able to sleep. :yawn: I really need to run away from my brain.
:pup::banana: go Maron!
What liberal blog didn’t like how Clintond handled Wallace?
Damnit. That wasn’t enough Maron.
MARC!:fire:
Not enough!:rant1:
Five minutes of Marc and Sam are more than equal to an hour of Riley PLUS two hours of Rachel screeching.
:yippee::yippee::yippee::bow::bow::dancers::banana::banana::love:
:rofl2:this dickhead is arguing with Jeffy:penguin: i cant stand dumbasses!
It was Maron’s decision to do local radio rather than Sam’s Show. They had agreed to do 1/2 hour together.
What liberal blog didn’t like how Clintond handled Wallace?
Comment by andy
Yeh:!: Anyone, anyone:?:
But damnit, I missed the first twenty-five minutes:growl::growl::eek::doh::-(
OK…Im back….time to steam clean the kitchen…this is so much fun!! Am I becomming compulsive?
art. Im sure it will be up in a min….PJ, were you on the case because I was too wrapped up in the steam cleaner….
I want to know soon because IM about to post and I’s love to take em apart…its no fun taking repugs apart because they are just desperate….but liberal bloggers have no wiggle room with this thing…none at all…
More Maron!
wel, Marc has a show to promote and usually the promotion part is in the contract….At least we got a little…I so wanted to hear his rant on the clinton thing….thank god we didnt get the canned bits…thats no doubt what the seattle thing was made up of…because you have to give em a taste of what theyre gonna get at the show.
Melina !
Stop cleaning and talk to me for a second!
Hey, for anyone who was at the Comedy Central NYC taping, I was surprised to see Chelsea Handler as a pundit on Scarborough country….
OK…JOe Conasin is on hour 3 of Al’s show…but thats it till Ring o’ fire for me….
I wonder what Seattle show he was on?
OK…IM here
Are you on the blog or on yahoo IM?…thats inthe other room…
oh uh here is a link to a dumbass vs jeffy argument:smack:
Nice column by EJ Dionne in the WaPost.
:paranoid:wheres c-nick?
He was on for a bit last night but I expect that hes at work….
:yawn: :knit: :gate: Merry Journeys and Krista Merry puppy naming :pup:
and King Kong Be Well in whatever Realm you are in 😉
:yawn:G’Night, G’Day One and All
:penguin:did anybody go read jeffys blog argument?
Seanie:love:- when Jeffy has an awakening and turns liberal I will go and read him…until then, life is too short over here….Im steam cleaning Peach’s cage…scalding Jeffy to death:penguin::tommygun:
jeffy is defending marc uh so to speak or something go read it its short!
😡 i hath been abandoned! ok go here the guy just wont stop harassing the penguin!
5 people online yet nobody to talk to! :tommygun:
Sorry, I was gardening before it gets too hot.
:yippee:krista! how goes the :pup:? did you go read jeffy arguing on a liberal blog?
:paranoid:
Foley goes bye-bye.
PJ!:yippee: did you read the argument with the penguin?
Okay, I’ll settle on a name by the end of today. She played with her ball in the yard this morning, it was pretty CUTE! I gotta go get something for her kennel cough and drop off a poop sample.
Yes I read jeffy’s argument. Stop bothering the hippies! :bong:
:shock:see this shit damn dogs have us carting around their shit!
:fire:im out later sheeple!
So long Foley…see you in HELL!!
Kennel cough! I called it! Its good to know that all this poop scooping and steam cleaning amounts to at least one Fristian long distance diagnosis!!
I think that Pupper is the perfect name…that or Maron…or Dot or maybe Spot…..
But I also love HOPE (I was also saving that for a girl kid…but those days are over!) and of course, the ever fantastic Ginger….
I wonder if Quiet Girl is working on those torture photos.
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
Couldnt be short enoug for me!! Now, if Seanie wrote something liberal,I’d definiely invest the time!
Foley, Guckert, Mehlman, jeezus.
Is there a GOP Congressman who isn’t a closeted gay male, or GOP Congresswoman who isn’t a castrating shrike?
And it all doesn’t matter! Jenine the tax felon Pirro said on the tape that the Att Gen’l job she’s running for is a ‘been there, done that’ and 31% of the braindead voters still support her! She could call a press conference and call them all suckers for supporting her, and they’d still vote GOP!
Hey folks, you’re too fucking stupid to be trusted with my government! Read a paper, will you?
I’ve had it with democracy. I’m starting to see Karl Rove’s point of view, but from the left.:sammy:
You didn’t know that the dogs are really the masters and we are the slaves? They’ve been exploiting our weakness for cuteness for millions of years Sean. :nod: And I’m a willing slave! :bow::pup:
Hey, KP, how about Milf?
OK, I read Jeffy, Sean. I think you should change Jeffy’s screen name to Scott Norwood. That ought to get them riled up.
Milf, doesn’t that mean something gross?
To quote Kafka:
No, no. Like Milf Cardinal Milfington.
Or you could call her Svetlana. Svetty, for short.
I was just thinking of Nellie. I used to have a chow that someone gave me when his death was imminent. Her name was Schnapps when he had her but that didn’t roll off the tongue so well when I had to yell for her so it got changed to Stella which suited her much better. STELLA! That’s the chow in some of the photos in the MS photo album
Debating the Israeli Lobby in Manhattan
by Michael Smith
http://www.counterpunch.org/smith09292006.html
PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — After spending months in remote northwest Florida swamps searching for the ivory-billed woodpecker, researchers say they have seen and heard the rare bird once believed to be extinct.
But Auburn University ornithologists, who published their findings in Canada’s Avian Conservation and Ecology journal online Tuesday, failed to capture a picture of the large woodpecker, which makes a distinct double rapping sound.
http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/060926_ap_rare_woodpecker.html
I’m having a hard time today, thinking about the disappear and torture legislation that passed an elected legislature. I understand, but cannot fathom why anyone, save the executive branch which now has unfettered power, would vote for this. Too many:sheep:, not enough :fist:
This is not the first time this country has walked to the edge of fascism, but pulling back is not assured. We should be in the streets. I guess I’m joining The World Can’t Wait this Thuirsday.
And, why don’t they do these things on Saturday when we working folks can do it.
Of course, the phone rang as soon as Maron came on today and
I’m at work; I HAVE to answer.
You know that Seder’s shows are posted here:
http://am1090seattle.com/pages/84914.php?contentType=34&contentId=1199
don’t you? The last hour, last segment where Marc appears isn’t
up yet but I expect it will be.
A federal judge in Idaho has ruled that former attorney general John D. Ashcroft can be held personally responsible for the wrongful detention of a U.S. citizen arrested as a “material witness” in a terrorism case.
U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge, in a ruling issued late Wednesday, dismissed claims by the Justice Department that Ashcroft and other officials should be granted immunity from claims by a former star college football player arrested at Dulles International Airport in 2003.
Attorneys for the plaintiff in the civil suit, Abdullah al-Kidd, said the decision raises the possibility that Ashcroft could be forced to testify or turn over records about the government’s use of the material witness law, a cornerstone of its controversial legal strategy after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
http://tinyurl.com/rcuxa
:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:
Hey folks. This is a reminder about Grand National Championship aka the Marc Maron reign on AAR Virtual Wake on FreeRadioSAIC.org this SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY at 8pm CENTRAL TIME.
Going to continue the non-stop dance-till-we-drop Maron, Earl, and folks archive clips that sound as fresh as they did the day they were birthed from those genius heads.
Also this Sunday, I’ll be throwing in some ideas that I’ve had about the FOX “News” interview with Clinton, the Democratic reaction on the Made-in-the-USA Torture agreement, and of course the pithy Get Out The Vote mini-movement that’s making me ashamed of being in my 20s.
:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:
Also, it’s Friday (media dump day) but holy lots of progressive great news on the air! Seen “State of Denial” quotes every couple of seconds on the cable news. Also listening to “Conservatives without Conscious” audiobook. Woo-hoo! But I think my brain will explode. Alright… I wish I lived in Seattle. :knit2:
Maron on Sam Seder today, about 7:17, 1.66 MB, mp3.
Are you sure that pecker in the swamps of Florida wasn’t Mark Foley?
Hey, FK, any relation?
Nicki-My Mom went to that Israel thing last night….she though it was a blast….
Randi’s a bit off on her “enabling act” facts here.
An enabling act is a piece of legislation by which a legislature grants an entity which depends in on it for authorization or legitimacy to take a certain action(s). The most famous such law is the German Enabling Act, enacted in 1933 at the beginning of the rise of the Third Reich.
wiki
PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — After spending months in remote northwest Florida swamps searching for the ivory-billed woodpecker, researchers say they have seen and heard the rare bird once believed to be extinct.
But Auburn University ornithologists, who published their findings in Canada’s Avian Conservation and Ecology journal online Tuesday, failed to capture a picture of the large woodpecker, which makes a distinct double rapping sound.
Sue, I appreciate your frequent animal/nature updates…
Busted on the way to Fort Myers. “Two men on their way to a reptile breeders show were arrested when they tried to…
Stranded in FLA! :omg:
Tyger Thom! :omg: LA area! Googie Country!
What happened to Rachel?
I got two packages today
What were in them?
Gotta go copy pamphlets and spread the word.
Rolling Stone videos on one tape. One tape wrapped up (should I open it, or did you want me to send it somewhere?) An article you wrote, a book about Portland’s Jewish section
Open the video.
I was reading the article on a break at work. Some good writing there. Ah, ok, Society of Spectacle.
Off to Kinko’s.
Who is today’s Falstaff?
Susan Joy, I’m glad you find the stuff interesting. I do too.
what are you copying? Pamphlets?
Milf, doesn’t that mean something gross?
Comment by Kristapea — September 29, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
Not necessarily gross, but… you probably don’t want to use it as your dog’s name.
Ever see American Pie?
Mom
I’d
Like to
Fuck.
(Not your OWN mom. Someone else’s, probably one of your friends. Thought I’d better pre-empt some of the “ewww” factor here.)
And before anyone else gets to it, don’t name the dog Dirty Sanchez either.
:rofl2:
So did you settle on a name?
:pup:
yeah, Sue, I’m somewhat of a nature fanatic (ok, not somewhat, VERY MUCH)
I hope he has the good sense not to send me an e-mail today looking for money, or he will need the funds to cover the medical costs when I tear him a new asshole.
I checked my e-mail at lunchtime, and sure enough there was a solicitation from the Nelson campaign. Which I kind of expected, being the last business day of the quarter, but still.
Seriously, you vote to tear the Constitution apart, and then ask me for money the next day? Guess again, Clarence.
:fu:
From the Wiktionary:
Milf:
Acronym
MILF
1. (slang) Mother I’d like to fuck: A (putative) mother found sexually attractive.
* 1999: Movie American Pie – “Dude, that chick’s a MILF!”
Usage note
* MILF has become a much-used descriptor on the Internet for pornography sites featuring women mostly between the ages of 35 and 50.
Initialism
MILF
1. Abbreviation of Moro Islamic Liberation Front, an organization in the Philippines seeking to establish an Islamic state on the island of Mindanao.
Hey everyone, just passing through . . . hilarious about Foley! And that book Woodward wrote comes out on Monday. I’ll have to pick up a copy! Perhaps there is hope that we can win both houses of Congress and focus the magnifying glass on this corrupt administration after all. Talk to you guys later. It’s funtime.
Former Texas Congressman Dick Armey, once a stalwart ally in the culture wars, appears to be turning his back on Christian conservatives and their leaders.
The former majority leader of the House of Representatives reportedly told Ryan Sager, author of a new book on the Republican Party, that values voters and their leaders — especially Focus on the Family Action Chairman Dr. James Dobson — are “nasty bullies.”
In the interview, Armey responded pointedly when Sager asked why he thought Christian conservatives seemed more powerful now than in the 1990s.
“To a large extent, because Dobson and his gang of thugs are real nasty bullies,” Armey said. “I pray devoutly every day, but being a Christian is no excuse for being stupid. There’s a high demagoguery coefficient to issues like prayer in schools. Demagoguery doesn’t work unless it’s dumb . . . These issues are easy for the intellectually lazy and can appeal to a large demographic.”
http://tinyurl.com/zjmz2
:slap:
hey everyone…just reading up on the blog.
Krista, if you could choose one person to be “tortured” in photoshop (think carefully), who would you pick??:paranoid:
Rummy!!…Lieberman!! But he is a jew so maybe its best not to use him….and you cant use McCain….heh heh….
Its all in such bad taste…but it probably has to be Rummy because hes on the outs anyway. If yyou use Bush you could be accused of threatening the Prez…we wouldnt want to do that ouwld we??
Im tyring to write about torture…its in fits and starts….just too horrible.
Rummy it is…..:spank:
Nick- Sam was saying not to buy the book…not to give that MoFo a penny…though I doubt that one or two books either way are gonna make a diff….considering that he has his advance already…and its likely alot….
Chaney might be a good candidate for torture. It’s hard to feel sorry for him. He always reminds me of The Penguin. All he needs is the monocle and cigar.
Top Diebold corporation officials ordered workers to install secret files to Georgia’s electronic voting machines shortly before the 2002 Elections, at least two whistleblowers are now asserting, Atlanta Progressive News has learned.
Former Diebold official Chris Hood told his story concerning the secret “patch” to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., for Kennedy’s second article on electronic voting in this week’s Rolling Stone Magazine.
http://tinyurl.com/jsoeq
Sue- I have that Picture….let me see if I can find it….
Krista, if you could choose one person to be “tortured” in photoshop (think carefully), who would you pick?? :paranoid:
It would be McCain because he is the biggest hippocrite.
Okay, I settled on a name finally. Nellie.:pup: I really like Annie too but for yelling I like it to start with a consonant and have a double consonant in the middle. Although this pup is pretty responsive and she is learning things quickly. She played with the ball this morning and I got her a bunch of toys at the dollar store. I dumped them all on the floor and she tried every one them out. It was cute :pup:
I don’t agree with Sam on the book thing. Yeah Bob Woodward is not my favorite author. But I do remember his work in bringing down Nixon. Would it not be wonderful if Bush met a similar fate? Did you guys hear about this porported coup attempt in Iraq? Heard it earlier on CNN and nothing since. Though I have been away from the tele so I may have missed the latest. Some kind of curfew this weekend in Iraq? N e way. I’m in and out of the room. Melina did you ever pick up a headset? I really would like to try out skype sometime to see if I’ve got it setup correctly. I liked today’s podcast alright. I screamed to much in Wednesdays. Hope to have a great weekend. Mark, my Gay Republican friend sent me an email tonight saying he wants to do a podcast and screw me to but he’s been busy with school! Oh well. I know I need my head examined for starting this up again, but I have the notion that we’d be good together on the mics. We shall see. Perhaps we can record something this weekend. I’ll let you guys know. Cheers!:40:
Amazing that AM 1270 in Buffalo has DemocracyNow! on a commercial station. That looks like a dream lineup.
Greetings All
Sue P, re 114 :banana::yippee::banana:
Susan Joy and all animal and environmental fanatics :billcat::pup::parrot::nuts::cat::rats::billcat: and even :penguin: :wink::bow:
cnickthomas re Folley and 139 :banana::yippee::banana: — although I trust NO rethug :growl:
Sue P re 140 :banana: :yippee::banana: and 146 :banana::yippee::banana:
and All re who to torture re the torturers
Druid, there do seem to be many torturers to be tortured by photoshop. So many many to choose from.
Nellie is a very good choice for your dog Kristapea. Loved your pix. Hello Druid, good to see you popping in and out of the room lately. Don’t be a stranger. We all need to check in from time to time so as to know that we haven’t been picked up by Bush’s thugs and shipped off to a prison camp somewhere. Would be nice if we had a coup here in this country. Impeachment of Bush might not work so good since we’d be left with Chaney as President. Can you imagine that? Frightening, truly frightening! Someone needs to bump them both off at the same time. Military coup might be the only way to do that, but let’s wait till we have Nancy Pelosi in place first. Seems the only way the Repubs can win now is steal the elections! I would not put it past them to do just that. I’m around. For now. If I disappear for an extended period of time you’ll know what happened.
cnickthomas :nod: :omg: 😉
I am reading a SciFi/Fan Mag, but left it downstairs with my tea:joe: :omg: :omg: :omg: (going up and down and all around=String =M Theory 😮 :wink:)
MUST INFUSE MEGA TEA:joe: into veins
:pup: :kisses: Nellie :pup:
Maron on SEDER Show from this morning coming up next hour.
http://www.620kpoj.com/pages/listenlive.html
Are you still in school Druid?
Krista…How about Tess?
Mahr==== rerun tonight…..damn!
Eliminated some premium movie channels from my cable so I could afford to upgrade to 10 megabits cable modem download. The upstream is 1 megabit. So my connection is a bit snappier, but I’ve checked the speed and still don’t get the 10 megabits. Wonder if PJ would have any ideas. BTW, I found a great site to check your internet download and upload speeds. Go here. For some reason the upload speed is close to the advertised 1 megabit, but I’ve not managed to hit 6 megabits on the download from any server as yet damnit!
Ah, Nellie is very good!
There is a new girl at the bird store named Nell…she is very sweet.
Hello Melina, good to see you here. One big happy family. Oh and Hello to NickiRose also and Sue P.
ok I’m broadcasting Jon Ong’s last podcast on my little radio station right now. Go here to listen, http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
Dear Goddess Shemanski,
Now the election is less than 40 days away — and the critical end-of-the-quarter reporting deadline is less than 40 hours away. Please act.
The Rove Republicans count these as their days — the time when they unleash their attacks, play the fear card, empty their warchests, and, smug grins in place, hold on to power.
By acting right now to help four candidates locked in tough, must-win Senate races, you can make sure they don’t succeed in using the politics of fear to distract people from their stunning failures and their utter incompetence.
Impact Key Senate Races Before the September 30 Deadline.
Thousands of people have already acted. With Wednesday’s Senate fundraiser, the total we’ve raised to help candidates in the 2006 elections went to over $9.2 million. Let’s keep the momentum going.
Help Ben Cardin, who is running in Maryland against a Republican candidate personally recruited by George W. Bush and Karl Rove.
Donate to Jon Tester in Montana, whose opponent, Conrad Burns, is mired in the Abramoff lobbying scandal and beholden to the special interests.
Give to Jim Webb, who has the upper hand against the bumbling, troubling campaign of Virginia’s Senator George Allen.
Contribute to Sheldon Whitehouse, who is ready, willing and able to stand with Democrats on all the tough votes — and eager to help put the Senate in Democratic hands.
Impact Key Senate Races Before the September 30 Deadline.
Usually I ask you to pick one or two candidates to support. And, if you have candidates you particularly want to support, I urge you to do so.
But this time, I hope you’ll consider doing even more than that. If at all possible, send a generous donation to as many candidates as you can. In the final six weeks of this campaign, that’s the kind of commitment that it’s going to take to win.
Remember, the midnight September 30 deadline is almost here. Please act right now.
Sincerely,
John Kerry
why thank you Mr. Kerry
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Do you have questions about things you hear on the morning show with Thom and Heidi? Check out The Thom Hartmann Show – “Show Notes” – from each day. You’ll find specific info about the talk segments including hot links for more detail. Just go to the homepage at http://www.620kpoj.com
yeah, I have a question, Thom, WTF is wrong with you?
okay……here are 2 pics of Rummy.
i didn’t get too graphic with them because i don’t want the Feds after me….if they aren’t already:paranoid:
but you get the picture.
click here
here too
I like the second one very much QG
good job, Quiet Girl :jason:
Today’s edition of Democracy Now up next on my little radio station. Headlines for September 29, 2006; A Total Rollback Of Everything This Country Has Stood For: Sen. Patrick Leahy Blasts Congressional Approval of Detainee Bill; Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraqs Green Zone http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
550 East Fordham Rd.
Bronx, NY, 10458
Maron on the radio!
Clinton! :omg:
Why does Maron champion Clinton? Go left, young man.
Peter Werbe will be replaced by Jon Elliot next week.
Werbe said that big changes at AAR are afoot!
let me guess, White Castle?
I trusted in the system but it always failed.
The Beast within Corrupted System. :pup:
hehe, I was right. A few blocks from the zoo
this morning the Young Turks said we have a great system…what, you don’t believe them? :omg:
Why are there only 2 White Castles in the whole state of New York? I assumed that they would be as abundant as Dunkins in Boston. (Starbucks in Seattle!)
there are more than two. I know of three in the Bronx…at least three
ok I’m coming up with 5 just in the Bronx
Albertson’s
Fred Meyer
Ray’s
Safeway
Thriftway
Walgreens
Zupan’s Markets
White Castle claims to supply these Portland stores with product. Walgreens is the only place I have found. I was in both in a Zupans and a Fred Meyer store today. Saw none. (I did see a machine that is selling sausage and eggs sandwiches recently.)
hehe..i like the second one too!:banana:
uh….i have a question. what IS it about WhiteCastle? why do i hear so much about it?
I went to their home space. I knew that 2 restaurants in New York, one in NJ and none in CT could not be right.
well at least you can get them in Walgreens…I mean life isn’t totally unbearable
go to the search and put in my old Bronx zip code, 10475 and you’ll get all 5 in the Bronx immediately
There is a mystique about them. It’s a New York thing, you know.
well they are different from other hamburgers. I mean there are no other burgers that taste remotely like them
and the restaurants all look like little castles 🙂
Bring out the Hellman’s
and bring out the best.
Tom Kipper! :rabbi:
I shouldn’t be thinking of hamburgers at this hour of the night 🙁
Peter Werbe is getting fired from AAR? What “Big changes” is Elliot referring to? Werbe is great! A real lefty.
I know. You should be preparing for the atonement.
Iyi Kurban kutlu olsun.
so that’s the reason he’s being fired then. If he is.
You could go buy a package of frozen burgers right now.
No. Werbe is crafty. He knows how to navigate the system. So does Laura.
arghhh the jew Crewers are all messaging me “please forgive me for anything I did to offend you over the past year” I can’t handle it. I’m not atoneing for anything. I’m Jewish, I live with guilt all year long anyway , enough is enough
I’m not eating anything right now, especially hamburgers. I’m waiting to eat White Castle anyway. I want it to be a special occasion. I don’t eat them often. part of what makes them special.
wow…hmmm…i guess i have to taste them to really understand how great they are.
till then, i guess it’s In n Out for me :banana::love::dancers::yippee:
Damn. I am out of coffee filters. Gechmish olsun! :omg:
oy vey :joe:
look in Walgreens, QGirl, Nicki sez they stock White Castle. I can get them in Pathmark or just about any supermarket over here, though. They are tasty little suckers.
hmmm….that’s on my ‘to do” list tomorrow, susan :nod:
geçmis olsun, geçmis olsun mesajlari, get well soon, get well soon poem, get well soon card, free get well …
http://www.turklove.com/hazirmesaj/gecmisolsun_mesajlari.
hmm the page cannot be found
AAR there is just too much :crap: from you.. :reaper: (yea got to use reaper :banana:). I will at times listen to RFK Jr amd Pap :tongue:
cnickthomas, Cheers 😉 :yippee:
😮 Hmmmm school — I bought book, thus doing much at home and they will be keeping my papers and tests for me and my info until I return BUT
I HAVE MONSTER KIDS TORMENTING DANU! :growl: They have even broke into my back yard and opened a gate at chuch next door so Danu got out. She is a hybrid and thus no longer “okay” in this wee joint/town :fist: thus I am again stuck (:banana::yippee::banana:) in The Tower :love:
(at least house is “wired”)
White Castle claims to have several Portland stores stock their products. Big stores. So far, I have only seen them in Walgreens. Perhaps a big push is on. I am going to stop eating them so much so that the eating pleasure will not diminish.
What other products have a mystique like White Castle? Coors Beer used to have a similar sort of thing going on. But now that it is available everywhere–and that the beer is not that good–the thrill is gone.
Krispy Kremes? (Dunkin Donuts absolutely blow them away.)
It is sort of a colloquium for “May your suffering pass quickly.” Get well soon.
Afiyet olsun!
I’ll stick to duncan donuts. I’m trying to think of places. i think there are some great pizza places in the Bronx that have that magic. And an Italian restaurant called Frankie and Johnny’s where the NY Mets and Yankees hang out
Afiyet Olsun sounds like you’re talking to a Scandinavian
And when someone remarks on how delicious (lezzetli) a particular dish is, one’s host or dinner companion will say “Afiyet olsun,” which means “May it be …
http://www.istanbul-yes-istanbul.co.uk/ Turka/Dining%20Alaturka.htm –
[Awfeeyet Ohlsune]
Was there any $$$ in the mail?
mm, lezzetli
yes, I put it in my cookie cannister
Didn’t you get bombarded with Krispy Kreme “propaganda” in the New York area? We sure got it here.
I don’t know about bombarded, but it did become somewhat of a fad in the stores, you could see people getting all excited about it. Ehhh…
We don’t have Dunkin Donuts in Portland anymore. We have Dippin Donuts
12450 SE 82nd Ave
Portland, OR 97266
5036538321
The owner of the store I went to said that they get all of their supplies from Dunkins. It is some sort of a franchise arrangement.
They must be pretty good donuts then, I guess. There’s a Dunkin Donuts here (or more than one) in just about every town. You can’t get away from them. Last time I was in they even had bagels for breakfast or croissants.
Yeah. There was a buzz about them. It’s interesting that in areas where Dunkins are popular, KK did not do as well. I’ll bet you have good independent donut places. We have VooDoo Donuts, which is a hipster late night hangout. Some silly donut styles.
Wow! Can you say ubiquitous?
I don’t know about independent places. I can’t think of any. Maybe in Manhattan, because there’s everything in Manhattan…I think most people here just go to Duncan for Donuts. Krispy Kremes was huge in the south before it even came here, I had friends talking about them to me. I tasted them, I don’t see what the big deal is.
ubiquitous. :pup::omg:
I need to go buy some coffee filters.
that does sound like an emergency, I know how you feel about coffee :(:joe:
Scarcity feeds legends. Just like Coors beer. I heard that Boston has lots of independent donut places. I like independent reataurants for some reason. Coffee. Hotdogs. Hamburgers.
“Googie”
According to author Alan Hess in his book “Googie: Fifties Coffee Shop Architecture”, the origin of the name “Googie” goes back to 1949, when architect John Lautner designed a coffee shop by the name of “Googie’s”, which had very distinctive architectural characteristics. This coffee shop was on the corner of Sunset Boulevard and Crescent Heights in Los Angeles, but was demolished in the 1980s. According to Hess, the name “Googie” stuck as a rubric for the architectural style when Professor Douglass Haskell of Yale and architectural photographer Julius Shulman were driving through Los Angeles one day. Haskell insisted on stopping the car upon seeing “Googie’s”, and proclaimed “This is Googie architecture”. He made the name stick after an article he wrote appeared in a 1952 edition of House and Home magazine.
there are a lot of good diners around here, that’s one thing you would probably like. Diners are kind of a NY thing
Of course, suburbs would not have many independents. Cities. Big cities. What about Hoboken?
Right. Diners. I love Chinese food, too. Glad that chain franchise culture has not taken over Chinese food restaurants.
I think I know why donut shops (independent) aren’t big here. It’s because of bagel shops being big. That’s where people get their breakfast, not donut shops (with the exception of Dunkin donuts)
Spooky!
Sedition Radio just played the Morning Rememberance for General William Westmoreland. What’s so spooky about that? Well, Marc mentioned that he’ll be at Giggles in Seattle this weekend…and he will be! Oooh, verry scary, give Count Zeb goosebumps!
See some of youse in a few hours in The Emerald City.
of course all the good bagel shops sell some donuts too
oh I know. Although Chinese buffets are a scourge…the “all you can eat” restaurants usually have the worst food…it’s the little take out Chinese places or the real Chinese restaurants that are the best
Donuts are not very nutritious, so popularity went down. Donuts were hugely popular in the 1940s, I heard. Bagels are nothing but bread donuts.
well there are the bagels that supermarkets sell like Lenders, etc. which aren’t real bagels because they’re soft and not real. Real jewish style bagels are quite a meal.
:joe::joe::omg::hot:
oh no, he’s going through withdrawal! Go get your filters!
Hey. I love Lenders.
oh they’re ok tasting. They’re just fake!
You know, lately, there have been lots of independent donut restaurants around here, There is one near me open 24 hours. I believe that most are owned and operated by Mexican-Americans. I am so schizoid. I knew this. We have several, independent places. More of them than we have bagel places.
Donuts are ok. Sometimes I really get in the mood for them. But I can’t see going crazy over them
The biggest things to eat in NY are bagels or pizza
Kornblatts Delicatessen
10 reviews
628 NW 23rd Ave
Portland, OR 97210
(503) 242-0055
(503) 242-1027
Kornblatt has matzoh brei, yummy
I don’t go crazy for donuts either. I like phenomena, such as the rise and fall of food items. But we have had an upsurge in independent donut places. I like the coffee. Coffee is much better now.
Stop your east coast bias. You mean we don’t have “real” bagels and pizza on the other coast?
I don’t know. Would you call Lender’s bagels west coast bagels or just packaged supermarket bagels? They’re not the same consistency as real bagels.
in fact they’re from CT
and I wasn’t saying that
grrrrrrrrr
I was NOT saying that and I’m gonna get you later, you can run but you can’t hide!
There! :joe::joe::joe::bow::joe::pup:
Bagel Oasis: Coffee and Wireless in Seattle
The bagels were good, chewy with a good crust. So much better than most Seattle bagels, and worlds better then the mis-named “Noah’s New York Bagels”, …
seattle.wifimug.org/index.cgi?BagelOasis
:cat:
So the question remains, what constitutes a good bagel? And where can you get one? My home Seattle is definitely not an answer as the bagels here are sad …
http://www.tastingmenu.com/recipes/favorites/bagels.htm
:omg:
Where did you go, Shemanski?
Yet only ONE out of the FIVE Noah’s Bagels scattered around Portland is actually kosher! Not to mention (though I will anyway) that Noah’s actually started …
http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/
David Rittenhouse Portland Oregon Espresso Tasting Society http://coffee.meetup.com/202 PS: Good bagels are hard to come by in Portland, try Kornblatts. …
http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/worldregional/uswest/253873
:omg:
OK. You are right, Shemanski. The bagels are lame here. For every Kornblatts in Portland or Seattle, there are at least a hundred such places in Brooklyn and Manhattan. What about pizza?
Rachel Maddow used a Borat clip for bumper music. :omg:
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current president is Nicki Rose. One of. the most active neighborhoods in the. area, Eastfield even has its own website, …
michiganavenueproject.org/resources/May_2004.pdf
:omg:
Bagel Daze
October 19th, 2005
Back when most of the Jews here in town lived clustered in and around Old South Portland, through the mid-20th century, there were plenty of good bagels around. Find an older Jewish person who grew up in South Portland and you will hear:
Older Jewish Person (actually my dad): When I was young, I sold newspapers downtown on the corner of 5th and Morrison. . .
Me: No, no, dad. That’s a great story, but what about the bagels?
OJP: You know, you and your brother hardly ever come over to visit any more.
Me: OK, I promise to stop by more often, just tell me about bagels.
OJP: Did I mention I sold newspapers on the corner of 5th and Morrison when I was a kid?
Me: Yeah, sure dad. A couple times. Hang on a minute.
According to my favorite local history book, The Jews of Oregon 1850-1950, three Jewish bakeries competed for the local trade during first half of the 20th century. There was the Star, Gordon’s and Mosler’s. After World War II, only Mosler’s remained. Harry Mosler was a tough guy and his bagels, it is said, were the best anyone ever tasted. There were many other Jewish-owned food businesses in those days: Mrs. Levine’s Fish Market (Mr. Levine was a shochet, the man who slaughtered cows and chickens in the kosher way); Korsun’s grocery and Mink’s grocery; Calistro and Halperin’s delicatessen, one among many Jewish-Italian alliances; and the competing meat markets run, respectively, by Simon Director, Isaac Friedman and Joseph Nudelman. Mrs. Neushin, smoldering cigarette a fixture between her lips, made pickles in her basement; Louis Albert was the soda pop king.
hehe. cool dialogue
Rose’s Deli & Bakery Portland, Ore. Portland isn’t exactly a hotbed of Jewish cooking, … Nate ‘n Al Delicatessen Restaurant Beverly Hills, Calif. ..
:omg::rofl2:
oh ok, but that Kornblatt’s sounds pretty good. The description of Matzoh Brei was to die for…
A large part of history is reserved to irony. One of the great ironies in the history of Portland’s Jewish community is how the destruction of South Portland, the Jewish quarter by the bulldozers of urbanrenewal symbolized also a freeing and “whitening” of the Jewish population, even as they smashed one of the city’s richest cultural enclaves.
Old South Portland, OJM Collection
Portland was hospitable to its earliest Jewish population, mostly because they were Germans who were already assimilated by dress and manner to European ways. But the Eastern European and Sephardic Jews arriving in Portland in the last years of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries found a different reception. They were, owing to their orthodox religiousness, their strange accents and dress, truly aliens. Thus they were, by their own inclination and because of their poverty and inability to assimilate quickly into the mainstream economy, ghettoized in South Portland. Although discrimination was mild, they were not invited into mainstream society and so moved in their own social circles, had their own business networks, and built their own cultural organizations. Their lives rarely intersected with those of the larger society.
When Portland’s first urban renewal project began in 1959, South Portland was home to the Jewish Community Center, five synagogues, and the Neighborhood House. On First Street, there were kosher delicatessens, meat markets, and bakeries. For its mostly aging residents, 700 of whom were over sixty, it was neighborhood in the classic sense with a functioning, if informal, social support network to help the elderly survive. Calls for gradualism in attacking the blight city fathers found there were ignored and, in less than a decade, the area was transformed, eradicating its Jewish character.
The displacement of the older South Portland Jews was traumatic, but for their children
It was much easier. Many had already left—physically and emotionally–migrating with others of their generation to the suburbs to live assimilated middle class lives, even though many of the better neighborhoods to which they moved had restrictive covenants. Although it may seem like their journey from city to suburb was the result of a natural progression, it was a complex and by no means assured development. Indeed, South Portland’s children achieved the transition following World War II by a process some scholars call whitening. This was a complex change in which mainstream American society began to perceive Eastern European Jews as white, in contrast to their parents, who were definitely not regarded as members of the white race. This process was not an exclusively Jewish phenomenon, but the Jewish experience typifies it.
***
The loss of South Portland as the epicenter of Jewishness was a grievous, if temporary, blow to the community’s sense of identity. Still, its demise marked the passing of an era of apartness for the majority of Portland’s Jews and the beginning of one in which they became full participants in their own city.
(This guy needs to cite some sources. Very sweeping statements. The bulldozers did not wipe out the whole neighborhood. (The did demolish the heart of it, though.) Many residents stayed in what remained. That book documents the remainder.
fascinating stuff. I did know that Jews at one time were not considered white. Weird.
Sam and Marc together? Whoa. Toss Keith Olbermann into the mix and it’s gonna start getting very warm in here. :hot::nod::banana::yippee::doh:
OCTOBER 20, 2000:
Book Reviews
Recent Titles Reviewed
BY MICHAEL KING
Al Gore: A User’s Manual
by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair
Verso, 284 pp., $23
Inventing Al Gore
by Bill Turque
Houghton Mifflin, 448 pp., $23
Quick: Which major party presidential candidate supports the following position on welfare reform? “It [should allow] faith-based organizations to provide basic welfare services. They can do so with public funds — without having to alter the religious character that is so often the key to their effectiveness. We should extend this approach to drug treatment, homelessness, and youth violence prevention. People who work in faith- and values-based organizations are driven by their spiritual commitment. They have done what government can never do: provide compassionate care. Their client is not a number but a child of God.”
If you guessed Texas Governor George W. Bush, you would of course be wrong. As Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair helpfully recall in Al Gore: A User’s Manual, that sanctimonious pabulum in fact issued from Vice-President Al Gore, speaking to an Atlanta audience in the spring of 1999. Gore wasn’t precisely advocating welfare reform. He was instead applauding the already enacted first Clinton/ Gore administration welfare abolition law, which, among its many dismal provisions, allows federal welfare funds to be granted to “intermediary” organizations, which may use some of the funds to help welfare recipients — while also underwriting proselytizing in religious or pseudo-religious nonsense. (In one church-run, state-funded “jobs” program near Austin, for example, applicants are told that if their bosses treat them badly, they should not object, because their true overseer is God.)
That was certainly not the worst effect of the bipartisan 1996 welfare deform bill (signed by Bill Clinton under the joint pre-election urging of sleazeball pollster Dick Morris and “populist” Al Gore), the long-term devastating effects of which have been temporarily masked by a cyclical boom in minimum-wage jobs. As Bill Turque recounts in Inventing Al Gore, even longtime welfare critic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called the intentionally punitive new law a travesty: “The premise of this legislation is that the behavior of certain adults can be changed by making the lives of their children as wretched as possible. … This is a fearsome assumption.” The dismal Clinton/Gore welfare saga (hypocritically highlighted by the Democratic candidates’ immediate plea for re-election so they could “fix” the bill they had just enacted out of sheer opportunism) should make voters feel at least a twinge of sympathy for George W. Bush, who has supported virtually identical legislation in Texas, and who must indeed be wondering: Why can these guys get away with the kind of outrageous stuff I can’t even contemplate?
That is indeed a question running through both these books about Al Gore, although Turque’s is an encyclopedic and largely positive mainstream biography, and Cockburn/St. Clair’s is a brilliantly venomous left-wing analysis of the chasm between Gore’s reputation and his actual record. (Turque is a Washington correspondent for Newsweek; the widely published Cockburn and St. Clair edit an indispensable political newsletter, Counterpunch.) The book titles suggest the authors’ distinct approaches, but also an echoing undertone: Inventing Al Gore evokes the persistent repositioning of a politician who reflexively defines expediency as principle, and A User’s Manual describes a lifelong careerist who has climbed to the top of the American political heap by employing whatever cynical method it has taken to get the job done. Since those characteristics could just as readily be ascribed to this year’s Republican candidate, the obvious question arises, What is the most important political difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore? The answer (for those familiar with both the Bush and Gore careers) is essentially that Gore has been at the political game much longer, and plays it better. (Whether that will be enough for victory in November is another question entirely.)
It isn’t only famous political fathers, or the eager dismantling of the social contract, that Gore and Bush have in common. Like Dubya, Gore has vigorously promoted privatization of government services, including the self-regulation of industry. “Reinventing government,” Gore has said, “is about giving businesses new opportunities to become trusted partners in enforcing laws.” That blandishment includes — as it has in Bush’s Texas — encouraging the corporate fox to guard the citizen’s henhouse, and within it such delicate eggs as “worker safety, environmental protection and the whole range of regulatory functions.” Gore’s notorious REGO program (like privatization in Texas) also had the predictable side effect of job-slashing, in the words of Cockburn/St. Clair, “the way a corporate raider would after a hostile takeover.” Gore didn’t quite succeed (as he initially intended) at abolishing federal affirmative action programs, but in the words of a July 1999 report of the legislative committee of the National Organization of Blacks in Government, “Reinventing [government] has been generally silent about fairness and equality issues,” and “has had a devastating impact on federal workers, particularly racial minorities.” A foreign policy bully-boy and quick-trigger missile hawk, Gore is likely to be no better than Bush (or worse) on defense issues, and will continue to be positively fanatical in the continuing militarization and expansion of Israel.
As Cockburn and St. Clair convincingly demonstrate in a chapter titled “Playing the Green Game,” even Gore’s legendary environmentalism (for which he was dubbed “Ozone Man” by Poppy Bush) is largely a rhetorical construct, born of the vice president’s strenuously hyperbolic 1992 book Earth in the Balance. Gore is always eager to publicly declare rescuing the environment “the central organizing principle of civilization.” But in actual practice, when industry push has come to corporate shove (especially from major political contributors), Gore and Clinton have surrendered with unseemly alacrity. Turque describes a Boeing and General Motors deal Gore closed in 1997 with Chinese dictator Li Peng (“the butcher of Tiananmen”), and comments mordantly, “It didn’t escape the notice of U.S. environmentalists that the man who once called carbon monoxide exhaust from cars “a mortal threat to the security of every nation” was signing a pact to bring 100,000 new vehicles without antipollution devices into the world.” The Chinese deal is only one of many brightly hypocritical moments described in both these books, which go a long way toward explaining the recent formation of a national organization dubbed “Environmentalists Against Gore” (St. Clair is a founding member).
Voters who might be inclined (even at this cynical historical juncture) to take major-party politicians at headline face value should certainly read both these books. Gore supporters should certainly read Al Gore: A User’s Manual. Should their candidate win, come 2002, at least they won’t be able to claim they didn’t know who they were voting for.
oh thank you, Nicki, I didn’t remember the name of that book. That’s the one I was thinking of, though
JIM LEHRER: Why are you running for president again?
RALPH NADER: Because the civil society is being closed down, the source of most social justice progress in our country, by the concentration of corporate power over our government, over our workplace, over our environment, over many institutions that should not be subordinated to global corporate power. And the press is full of documentation of that in terms of campaign cash and in terms of influence peddling, in terms of enormous pressure against working families in this country, against forming trade unions, in terms of huge corporate welfare subsidies. You know, it just goes on and on. And we have a choice in this country. Either the people are going to be sovereign or big business is going to be sovereign.
JIM LEHRER: And you as President can change this?
RALPH NADER: I think as President, with a broad civic mobilization, which would be required, we can begin to give people in their roles as voters, consumers, taxpayers and workers, more power to produce a deliberative democracy. We’ve had ten years of economic growth and that growth is not diminishing the problems of health care, retirement, child poverty, lack of public transit, consumer exploitation. It’s really quite interesting. A majority of the workers are falling behind. After ten years of economic growth, they’re making less in inflation-adjusted dollars than they made 20-25 years ago and they are working harder and longer according to the Department of Labor. Perhaps the worst example is that we’re at 20% child poverty, the highest in the western world, and in California it’s 25% child poverty when in 1980 it was 15% child poverty.
JIM LEHRER: Is there an overall philosophy that would guide you as President, that would correct all the things you just enumerated, or is it a specific this bill, that bill, appointment or whatever?
RALPH NADER: It’s an overall philosophy. And that is a strong democracy that does not tolerate these injustices. It does not allow the few to reap the benefits from the many to keep the many from having their just rewards. It doesn’t allow the few to decide for the many. And we have long experience in Washington — year after year — in how to strengthen our democracy whether it’s campaign finance reform, or whether it’s access to the regulatory agent agencies in the court. That’s really what’s key. The great thing about a democracy is that when it’s deep and broad, it brings the best out of more people than any other system. And what we have now is a concentration of power and wealth, which is antagonistic to a democratic society.
JIM LEHRER: You said what we have now. Do you look back on the history of the United States and say “ha, that’s what we want back.” That was a time when all… when the country really did run the correct way, in your opinion?
RALPH NADER: Well, there are ups and downs. Obviously the slavery period was counteracted by the antislavery movement, women got the right to vote, workers got the right to form trade unions. They built the middle class. As they say, they gave us our weekend, they gave us benefits. The farmers’ popular progressive movement against the banks and railroad companies that leavened power more; it gave people a chance to have more voice. So I think we have to look back at our history and say why is it every time concentrated power got too much and social justice movements opposed them, and the dominant business community opposed a social justice movement and finally lost, America was better as a result. Everybody benefited, including the businesses because democracy tends to expand markets. I think Jim Hightower’s father really put it best.
JIM LEHRER: He’s the former Texas agriculture commissioner.
RALPH NADER: Right. and he told his son Jim, in Texas. He said, “you know, Jim, when everybody does better, everybody does better.”
JIM LEHRER: Now, is it a new society you want to create? I want to make sure I understand you here. Is it a whole new American society you want to create, or is it a throwback to a prior time when it really worked?
RALPH NADER: Well, it’s establishing old-fashioned ethics and standards. I think our civil service has been stereotyped terribly as a bunch of worthless bureaucrats. There are a lot of intelligent people in the Civil Service, yet they’re not allowed to take their conscience to work and apply their ethics. So I think that the cardinal principles are pretty much in the Golden Rule. They’re pretty much you know, real established traditions. We go after corporations, we’re telling them don’t cheat people, don’t corrupt politicians; don’t pollute people’s health and safety. Give people an opportunity; don’t smash your competitors illegally. Don’t abuse your workers. How modern are these? These are old-fashioned standards of decency, but they have to be put forward with a strong democratic political force. That’s the key.
Nader, both in his book Crashing the Party, and on his website, stated: “In the year 2000, exit polls reported that 25% of my voters would have voted for Bush, 38% would have voted for Gore and the rest would not have voted at all.” Most political analysts and experts believe that Nader’s presence on the ballot in Florida in 2000 was one of factors that combined to give Bush the election . For their part, Nader supporters countered that, instead of blaming Nader, Gore should accept responsibility because his own failure to win his home state of Tennessee was a “but-for cause” of Gore’s loss. Nader supporters also maintained that the Democrats should handily have won the election against Bush (whom Nader referred to during the campaign as “a giant corporation masquerading as a human being”), with a better campaign or with a better candidate than Gore, who they say made a series of blunders throughout the campaign, including in his debates against George W. Bush. Nader supporters said that Gore’s campaign themes were largely a creature of the “centrist” and corporate-supported Democratic Leadership Council, which had once been chaired by then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. The U.S. presidential election, 2000 was hounded by the Florida situation, and some Nader supporters suggested that the Democrats should blame the Supreme Court for calling a halt to the Florida recount, thereby effectively declaring Bush the winner.
Anticipating the type of close election that in fact happened in Florida in 2000, some voters attempted to minimize the spoiler problem by engaging in strategic “vote-pairing,” or so-called Nader trading, in which Nader-inclined voters in swing states would agree to vote for Gore in exchange for Gore-inclined voters in safe Bush states to vote for Nader. This strategic idea, which was championed by law professor Jamin Raskin, was based on the observation that, under the electoral college system, individual votes for a losing presidential candidate within a given state (or individual “surplus” votes for the winner within a state) are necessarily wasted. Even though “Nader trading” had the theoretical potential to allow Al Gore to win the election and at the same time to earn the Green Party the 5 percent that would lead to a possible award of FEC party convention funding, Nader himself declined to endorse the “vote-trading” idea in 2000. Nader and his campaign explained that they were running in every state and that they were encouraging voters to vote according to conscience.
I respect your views and your reasoning, Druid
there are a lot of interesting things about Nader I learned from these articles. I did gain respect for him. I’m not saing he’s my ideal candidate. I don’t know how I feel about Gore. I still do like his ecological stance and think he’s sincere about most of it. I honestly don’t know who I’m going to vote for come presidential election time, but there’s time to decide.
Nader. Nader. He’s the man.
But does he partake kosher
like Lieberman?
Lieberman Haiku
Kosher Lieberman
losing in Connecticut
and he blames the Jews